Add QF Status to AA Booking?

P15s? What are you talking about?

Perhaps an Australianism ("to take the piss") you're unfamiliar with. At any rate why not answer the question:

Qantas World Platinum (and Platinum 1) are the only frequent flyer program from Qantas which offers worldwide benefits to its travellers whether they are travelling on Qantas or partner airlines. From first class check-in and lounges to an elevated baggage handling experience, you get it all with World Platinum.

Seriously. What are you actually TRYING to say by this?

To me this reads that you're suggesting QFF is the only program to offer the perks of F check in, lounges, baggage allowances etc. The only program WHERE? in Australia? In Asia.. The World (since you keep saying "World Platinum").

If you mean that, then it's clearly nonsense. Those benefits are also standard oneworld emerald benefits, available to equivalent tiers of oneworld partners such as BA Gold, AY Platinum and others. And of course, members of those programs (and EK Platinums, IO) can also do all these things when flying QF in Australia, and for oneworld carriers, around the world.

If you're NOT saying that (and I hope you aren't) - then what are you trying to say?
 
If you're NOT saying that (and I hope you aren't) - then what are you trying to say?

I wouldn't worry about having this sort of discussion with someone who has never been WP on QFF.

I know it's not a common word in your native country of Canada, but you might want to look up what the W in WP actually stands for on AFF.

Again, don't bother - this discussion has been had at least twice before. :rolleyes:
 
It will never show on the QF website unless there is a flight operated by QF in the booking.

AA use Sabre, QF uses Amadeus. Bookings through other oneworld carriers like BA will show automatically because they use the same system.
I just booked 3 different AA flights directly on their website and Amadeus was continuously flashing up as the URL whirred through its processes.
 
I just booked 3 different AA flights directly on their website and Amadeus was continuously flashing up as the URL whirred through its processes.

AA do use Amadeus (and the Australian site is actually Amadeus) but it's not their primary booking system, they exclusively use Sabre Record Locators (instead of Amadeus PNRs) even if you book on the Amadeus site.

So no way to enter an Amadeus PNR directly into AA's site or app. You need a Sabre Record Locator or Eticket number.
 
I just booked 3 different AA flights directly on their website and Amadeus was continuously flashing up as the URL whirred through its processes.
Correct, AA moved to Amadeus last year although their New Distribution Capability system also integrates with GDSs provided by Amadeus, Travelport and Sabre.
 
I just booked 3 different AA flights directly on their website and Amadeus was continuously flashing up as the URL whirred through its processes.
I'd suggest you used the AU portal and hence it is possible you did not get the nett cheaper fares you may have received booking with SABRE on the AA US portal.
 
Correct, AA moved to Amadeus last year although their New Distribution Capability system also integrates with GDSs provided by Amadeus, Travelport and Sabre.
AA has been using Amadeus with several portals including its European and Australian versions for over decade.

The Australian Amadeus portal at least, is generally more expensive than booking the same US domestic flights with its SABRE USA portal.

Hence, "El Segundo" ...
 
AA has been using Amadeus with several portals including its European and Australian versions for over decade.

The Australian Amadeus portal at least, is generally more expensive than booking the same US domestic flights with its SABRE USA portal.

Hence, "El Segundo" ...
Well that's a point of sale issue and one that isn't tied to a specific airline. It really depends on routes. For instance, I once had to book a business ticket on United for travel from India to Canada. It was substantially cheaper to book the ticket via the USA website versus Canada. But I've also seen the exact opposite: flying Toronto to San Francisco on a United codeshare, it was actually cheaper to book via the Canadian site than the US site.

All of this to say, compare your fares before clicking buy. Here's another tip: some of the best fares you'll find on any airline won't be found online. You need to actually lift the phone and talk to an agent.

-RooFlyer88
 
I'd suggest you used the AU portal and hence it is possible you did not get the nett cheaper fares you may have received booking with SABRE on the AA US portal.
I don’t have a huge sample size, but it does appear that AA have removed the Oz tax on the .au website. At least for coach fares.

I used to think it was twice as expensive but then realised that .au quotes total fare (eg 2 PAX) in AUD. The .com website quotes price per PAX (in USD) but when converted they are actually within a few cents. 😁

Any other recent data points?
 
Correct, AA moved to Amadeus last year although their New Distribution Capability system also integrates with GDSs provided by Amadeus, Travelport and Sabre.

From the linked story:

Since launching NDC integration, thousands of travel advisors and corporations have enjoyed a seamless shopping, booking and travel management experience.

Not my TA! They loath NDC as it means them needing to use two systems to book the optimal itinerary, whereas there was just the GDS. Or maybe its evolving.
 
From the linked story:



Not my TA! They loath NDC as it means them needing to use two systems to book the optimal itinerary, whereas there was just the GDS. Or maybe its evolving.
It is evolving and it is a lot worse than that. Some TAs don't even have access to the NDC, meaning the only way they can access AA fares is through the conventional GDS. Well, AA made an announcement earlier this year that something like 40% of the inventory will be available exclusively through the NDC. Talk about a kick in the teeth for TAs!
 
I don’t have a huge sample size, but it does appear that AA have removed the Oz tax on the .au website. At least for coach fares.
They still don't offer the ability to buy a Main Plus or Main Select bundle through the Oz site sadly.
 
An airline that has fully transitioned from Sabre to Amadeus is HA.

Earlier this year I had a QF booking that included an HA flight, I had a QF Amadeus reference and a HA Sabre reference.

Just prior to taking the flight, HA transitioned, and the QF reference became the HA reference. HA no longer referred to the old Sabre reference from then on, so I used the one (QF) PNR to check in etc on HA.

I thought it was interesting. AA, even though it partially uses Amadeus, still only issues Sabre references. I don't think there's been any talk of them fully transitioning.
 
It is evolving and it is a lot worse than that. Some TAs don't even have access to the NDC, meaning the only way they can access AA fares is through the conventional GDS. Well, AA made an announcement earlier this year that something like 40% of the inventory will be available exclusively through the NDC. Talk about a kick in the teeth for TAs!
Yes, generally discount classes such as I and N are not available to a TA without NDC.
 
Well, AA made an announcement earlier this year that something like 40% of the inventory will be available exclusively through the NDC. Talk about a kick in the teeth for TAs!

Yes, that's the issue. My TA could still access, but had to book the NDC leg separately but IIRC still was able to merge it into one itinerary.

TAs have had their commissions cut so much (and NDC is another cut) that many (Including mine) now charge a booking fee. I don't mind that, as they can do stuff we mere mortals can only imagine and they still do 24/7 changes when the airline cancels on you...
 
Yes, generally discount classes such as I and N are not available to a TA without NDC.

I'm trying to remember what the booking was, but it wasn't a 'discount class' that I was after - on this particular flight, the entire Y inventory was put into NDC. This was maybe a year ago.
 
I'm trying to remember what the booking was, but it wasn't a 'discount class' that I was after - on this particular flight, the entire Y inventory was put into NDC. This was maybe a year ago.
I have a TA booking currently - separate but in conjuction with tranpac travel - where S class is as low as they could go. The conjuction enables certain Tax components to be avoided and S class earns SC's at a slightly higher rate.
 
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The way AA has/is implementing NDC is quite agressive and rather unpopular - clearly with TA's and third party sites that don't get access to all the fares. From the airline's perspective of course it's brilliant - they can advertise their own fares through their own channels - much less cost to them and they can control the product offered (the positive spin being to offer things like bundling and better differentiation of fares and products that legacy systems can't/don't). We all know airlines (and hotels etc) have been trying to push customers to their own channels for years - AA basically flipped the switch and cut a lot of access out more or less overnight. Other airlines doing this (and they ALL will over time) have been far more measured (eg: UA) but it will happen. I think the way AA have gone about it is a specific strategy aimed at higher cost channels like TA's and so on - AA cut much of their sales teams earlier this year IIRC - since when NDC goes full on there's less need for them(in theory) and then more or less overnight threw the switch- while not having fully (as I understand it from sources like Cranky) inmpelemted links for corporates int their systems and such - so many of those custmers were also affected and AA doesn't seem to be too worried about it. Time will tell as to how much they win or lose through this rather "bull in a china shop" approach but in the long term as they all do the same sort of thing the big losers will be the TA's and consolidators I guess. More and more customers learn to use the apps/airline websites to book the majority of fares so it's more or less transparent to them.

The jury is out on how fare more complex itins like RTW's may end up being handled specially if TA's are cut out of the loop - certainly it's nigh on impossible to book anything more than the most basic routing via most carriers online tools - so that's going to be an interesting space I think with such products and how they potentially involve (also think in conjunction with the like of unbundling of premium fares like "Business Lite" type fares offered by the like of QR, AY etc).

I definitely see the opportunities that NDC can offer for airlines and customers, but also the problematic areas (not to mention effects on TA's and the like). As ever, we live in interesting times.
 
TAs have had their commissions cut so much (and NDC is another cut) that many (Including mine) now charge a booking fee. I don't mind that, as they can do stuff we mere mortals can only imagine and they still do 24/7 changes when the airline cancels on you...
The way AA has/is implementing NDC is quite agressive and rather unpopular - clearly with TA's and third party sites that don't get access to all the fares. From the airline's perspective of course it's brilliant - they can advertise their own fares through their own channels - much less cost to them and they can control the product offered (the positive spin being to offer things like bundling and better differentiation of fares and products that legacy systems can't/don't).
I suppose the real question is who are the airlines targeting with this policy? If I talk to people outside my immediate family (who know darn well you should book direct) chances are they are booking with an online travel agency like Expedia or WebJet. After all, they can compare prices and routings quite easily. And for the typical traveller who doesn't know or frankly care what Qantas status credits are, what will drive their decision making is price, routing and time. In that regard, treating the OTAs poorly will back fire, since it means they'll be less likely to push traffic onto that airline given the commission, given the fact they can only access a portion of inventory available versus booking direct (meaning higher prices shown to customers). Airlines will say it will allow customers to better understand the fare they are purchasing. But have they actually ever talked to the typical traveller? Chances are they don't know or care what the different fare products are, whatever is the cheapest and will get them their matters. Again, this is a totally different audience than your frequent flyer.

Then of course we turn our attention to corporate travellers, who often must book travel through a corporate travel agency since it ensures compliance with travel policy and a host of other reasons. In those cases they may or may not care about things like status or loyalty. After all, if company policy says you can fly business, who cares if you don't bother with status? You'll have the same perks anyways. And those who travel often enough realize the real game is actually having status in all alliances so you are guaranteed perks regardless of who you travel with. In addition, since you are spending OPM, what really matters would be things like the carrier, the soft product, routing, etc. Again, that's not something where you'll be visiting the AA site to see. You'll go through your travel agent, they'll quote you some fares and you'll choose the one you want (or go through their online portal).

What I do see happening is travel agents becoming free agents and working for travellers rather than the airlines and travel companies. I reckon many organizations and individuals would not mind paying a quality travel agent to give them unbiased advice versus saving $50 and being suggested to take the American flight because they get a nicer commission.

We will see how all of this goes but I think airlines who want to eliminate travel agents and OTAs are in for a rude awakening when they realize how much revenue they lost by cutting out those channels. Travellers simply don't book direct and never will. You would have to be crazy to blindly search an airline's website for flights without first seeing what other airlines offer in terms of routing and schedule.

-RooFlyer88
 

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