Add QF Status to AA Booking?

Its been a while since I engaged with my TA about NDC, but at that time she could access NDC; it was just a hassle to "get out of" Amadeus and "into" NDC; when the booking was finally made, it was pretty seamless with the rest of the itinerary.

Is NDC a strategy at eliminate TAs? I thought it was just a way to take more control of their inventory at higher margin, but I have no authoritative knowledge on that.

We will see how all of this goes but I think airlines who want to eliminate travel agents and OTAs are in for a rude awakening when they realize how much revenue they lost by cutting out those channels. Travellers simply don't book direct and never will. You would have to be crazy to blindly search an airline's website for flights without first seeing what other airlines offer in terms of routing and schedule.

But many travellers DO book direct - in particular those fiercely 'loyal' to one airline or another will just go online and book whatever the airline serves up to them - and then complain and complain when the website is carp, the schedule doesn't suit etc.

I must have a chat with my TA about what's up with NDC at the moment.
 
Qantas World Platinum (and Platinum 1) are the only frequent flyer program from Qantas which offers worldwide benefits to its travellers whether they are travelling on Qantas or partner airlines. From first class check-in and lounges to an elevated baggage handling experience, you get it all with World Platinum.
Seriously. What are you actually TRYING to say by this?

To me this reads that you're suggesting QFF is the only program to offer the perks of F check in, lounges, baggage allowances etc.
Kangarooflyer88 has used this 'World Platinum' term to describe Accor Platinum status too. He/she's been called out so many times to the point that I think it's just done to have a laugh at winding people up.
 
Is NDC a strategy at eliminate TAs? I thought it was just a way to take more control of their inventory at higher margin, but I have no authoritative knowledge on that.
It is my understanding that the whole point of NDCs was to provide greater flexibility to the airlines in how they publicize their fares. In particular, GDS systems like Sabre were designed at a time when you would call up the airline to book a ticket, and would receive hand written boarding passes. At those times (i.e. 1970s) the distinction may have been between tourist (now called Economy) class or full fare (now called business class). Things like distinctions within cabins such as basic economy versus discount economy vs economy vs full fare economy with its various exclusions and conditions did not exist. NDCs will now let airlines send out not only that they have 10 seats in Q class but also that such a fare doesn't allow you to upgrade to a higher cabin (i.e. with QF on international flights).
But many travellers DO book direct - in particular those fiercely 'loyal' to one airline or another will just go online and book whatever the airline serves up to them - and then complain and complain when the website is carp, the schedule doesn't suit etc.
Some do, but I don't think it is as many people as you think as a recent Deloitte study found that 68% of respondents use an airline's own website to book travel. Looking at the same report, only 14% of respondents always fly with the same airline. In terms of loyalty program being a factor for deciding who to book with 55% of respondents claimed it was an important factor. Interestingly enough value for money (78%), ability to address problems in a fair manner (62%), consistency of service (71%) were some items that were considered more important. Interestingly enough what some of us might consider to be really important, namely ability to access executive lounge and VIP privileges was ranked poorly at just 32% of respondents agreeing it's an important factor.

-RooFlyer88
 
imo the "targets" of NDC are twofold:

1. TA's, GDS's and OTA's - basically any higher cost channel to the airline to sell their fares/product. (Now, if TA's consent to, or have access to NDC via an airline portal that wouldn't count because it would still be the lowest cost direct channel to the airline. The problem with this is that the TA's potentially face multiple portals for NDC to each carrier, or possibly groups of carriers - which clearly is not going to be very practical if each carrier goes their own way. Of course third parties potentially get comission on sales - though this has hugely been wound back in recent years to nearly nothing (iirc QF used to pay 5% to AU based TA's, and dropped it to 1% - which doesn't make it very attractive to TA's)

2. Customers - airlines would prefer customers get away from consolidators, aggregators and the like and go via their own sales channels (eg: website, app etc) using NDC. Less cost to them and they directly engage with the customer under their control - eg: potentially link in with your loyalty scheme such as Frequent Flyer membership - such as points+pay deals, upgrades, direct status benefits and so on. Plus of course being able to more tailor product offers to each customer at a more granular level.

QF does the basic version of wanting to get pax to their own channels - eg free seat selection for direct bookings and that kind of thing. We can only expect this kind of thing to increase.

The other thing is that if the airlines can get themselves OFF the legacy platforms like the GDS's as they pull as much to their own platforms, it's not only lower cost, but allows them to customise far more without reliance on what the legacy platforms can and can't support.

Bonza, for example, is probably where the legacy carriers wish they could be at - Bonza ONLY deal with their customers directly via their app. You can't get their fares anywhere else. Southwest was the original (AFAIK) of this kind of idea, as ever since they started they pretty much have avoided other platforms.

The biggest problem for all the legacy carriers, apart from dealing with corporates, people with complex booking needs and the legacy GDS's is 1) integration with global partners (something the GDS's enable at the most basic levels. This also applies to things like ATP (See ATOCO the basic central fare filing interchange and also the clearinghouse I believe for things like interline ticketing and so on such that airlines get their part of joint ticket sales and so on). I'm not sure how NDC fits into this. It's all very well for say AA or QF or whoever to implement NDC for themselves, but how about for the future?

I could see airline groupings, such as those in JV's, groups like IAG and even alliances like OW, Star etc to potentially set up inter-partner channels between eachother but that kind of thing is probably a long way off.


Now this is all OT to the AA issue of this thread, but it's certainly a potentially huge change coming through that has reprocussions in many different areas.
 
(iirc QF used to pay 5% to AU based TA's, and dropped it to 1% - which doesn't make it very attractive to TA's)

My TA will happily book a QF ticket - but charges a higher booking fee - and very much advises that fact in the first conversation and advises alternatives which don't :)

The biggest problem for all the legacy carriers, apart from dealing with corporates, people with complex booking needs and the legacy GDS's is 1) integration with global partners (something the GDS's enable at the most basic levels.

This is the bit I don't understand. How the hell are you meant o book a multi-airline itinerary?

I could see airline groupings, such as those in JV's, groups like IAG and even alliances like OW, Star etc to potentially set up inter-partner channels between eachother but that kind of thing is probably a long way off.

Another layer of complexity which will cost $$ to implement and maintain. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Qantas World Platinum (and Platinum 1) are the only frequent flyer program from Qantas which offers worldwide benefits to its travellers whether they are travelling on Qantas or partner airlines. From first class check-in and lounges to an elevated baggage handling experience, you get it all with World Platinum.
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Qantas "World Platinum" does not exist. For the benefit of others, you would do well to cease spreading misinformation.
 
Qantas "World Platinum" does not exist. For the benefit of others, you would do well to cease spreading misinformation.
I would be surprised if that occurs ...
 

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