AFF Luggage tags - some ideas

[Flashback]

Speculation aside, a page selling them to anyone who comes along eventually would be a good thing. Might be just that little bit more work though sending them out and such.

I'm not sure how hard sending them out would be. A stamp, an envelope (of which you'd have a stack of for the purpose of sending out said tags already); 1 minute of your time to write the address on the envelope and put the tags inside.

The hardest part would be posting, but I don't know many cities in the world where you wouldn't go past at least 1 post box a day.

 

[notzac]

Late to the party, but I'll be getting 2.

 

[munitalP]

Sorry for the delay in posting - been stuck drinking and eating in NZ, just got back...

To Date, the following applies:

Payments received in PAYPAL account: $622.20

Fees to date charged by PAYPAL $23.67

Available balance in PAYPAL $598.53

One outstanding cheque to clear.

Total number of tags sold 102 (104 when cheque clears)

Additional tags ordered but not paid for (using Paypal) - 8

We had:

19 orders on 20 Jan
5 orders on 21 Jan
3 orders on 22 Jan
1 order on 24 Jan

No orders since...

Come on AFF members - a few bucks for a luggage tag wont break the bank and it will be a good identifier for us all...

I know we can't expect that everyone will buy into this, but we need help guys and girls - please get involved:

Thanks

munitalP

 

[samh004]

I have had a re-quote from the supplier:

500 cards, full colour, elastic string, reinforced eyelet:

$1,193.50 for 500...

that is...

500 AFF members take 1 card, $2.39 per card
300 AFF members take 1 card, $3.98 per card
100 AFF members take 1 card, $11.94 per card
50 AFF members take 1 card, $23.87 per card

Lead time 7-14 days

To Date, the following applies:

Payments received in PAYPAL account: $622.20

Fees to date charged by PAYPAL $23.67

Available balance in PAYPAL $598.53

One outstanding cheque to clear.

Total number of tags sold 102 (104 when cheque clears)

Additional tags ordered but not paid for (using Paypal) - 8

We had:

19 orders on 20 Jan
5 orders on 21 Jan
3 orders on 22 Jan
1 order on 24 Jan

So we’ve sold 100 for half the total price? Assuming we manage to sell another hundred, there’s 300 spare tags after that

And of course I’m not taking into account postage, but still.

 

[prozac]

At the risk of being roundly criticised for being a spendthrift I would like to suggest that at $6.20ea they are just too dear for the average FF. Comes down to marketing to a price and achieving greater turnover, in our case getting all 500 sold. At a production cost of just $2.39 / 500, $6.20 seems a bit rich.

At $4 ea incl postage I think you would have sold the lot by now.

Market it with a Link off the Community home page.
Limited Edition Frequent Flyer Luggage Tags avail now.
Be Quick as there will be only one production run.
Special price $XXea. incl. postage.

 

[Flashback]

And what happens with the money (NB: profit) left at the end once all tags are sold? It is then used at the next AFF DO towards payment for the dinner?

 

[munitalP]

And what happens with the money (NB: profit) left at the end once all tags are sold? It is then used at the next AFF DO towards payment for the dinner?

What, you think there will be a profit? You dont think that after the first lot are completely sold - say 2015 or so, that we will need another production run?

After all is said and done, we will not sell 500 tags - so we must aim at selling 250 or so - we cannot print 250, the minimum is 500 - if you think you can do it better than what has been done till now, sell them better or at cost neutral, I take that on board, bow humbly and you can have your shot at it Flashware - the spreadsheets, emails from suppliers, quotes and designs, and the PayPal accounts will be on their way to you by express post and feel free to DO IT BETTER - just give me a call with your address and the job's yours.

Mr!!

:evil:

 

[thewinchester]

I'll be ordering mine soon, just got to get on the phone to Paypal to figure out why they're being cough with my account.

 

[Dee Thom]

And what happens with the money (NB: profit) left at the end once all tags are sold? It is then used at the next AFF DO towards payment for the dinner?

A rather negative post me thinks, you may get a Maccas hash brown with the leftovers if your lucky!!!!!!!

MunitalP, my personal thanks for your great work, god knows I wouldn't know where to start this type of opp, and I also look forward to be "one of the few" who will have these tags on their luggage, and nodoubt be asked about them at various check-ins around the world.

Cheers Dee

 

[JohnK]

And what happens with the money (NB: profit) left at the end once all tags are sold? It is then used at the next AFF DO towards payment for the dinner?

I think you will struggle to make up the amount required let alone make a profit. What will happen is there will be a lot of luggage tags leftover.

Personally I think the tags are too expensive (I know the amount is not significant) and you could have sold them for less than half the current price. Also I refuse to use Paypal (ever) and I am still not convinced I want to advertise the fact that I am on AFF if I come across people I know, especially from work, who are able to put 2 and 2 together.

 

[anat0l]

Personally I think the tags are too expensive (I know the amount is not significant) and you could have sold them for less than half the current price.

I don't understand how they could have been sold at half the price when munitalP clearly stated the quotations he was given for the tags and that we are at a level of understanding that there is no profit to be had in this whole process (except for the tag producer).

I can understand clearly why munitalP didn't want to do this in the first place! If you can find a better quote for 500 tags (or lesser minimum order out there) at a decent professional quality, speak up now or don't throw stones. :evil: (Or better yet, buy some tags)

What's all this talk about profit? What profit is there to be had here? How did profit ever enter this entire talk on the tags?

Also I refuse to use Paypal (ever) and I am still not convinced I want to advertise the fact that I am on AFF if I come across people I know, especially from work, who are able to put 2 and 2 together.

Well no one can make you use Paypal (although I'm sure other methods of payment - except credit cards - could have been negotiated via PM etc.) and who said you needed to put the tags on your bags all the time? I carry my bag everyday and leave my airline tags on it, but not my FT tag - and I have my reasons. Put the tag on when you like or when you don't - much less difficult than trying to read a CoC.

 

[samh004]

Sorry if my original quote started all this, I am much obliged for all your hard work munitalP. I’m just curious, presuming we sell another 100 tags at current prices, what will we do with the extra 300 or so that have been paid for but haven’t been purchased by anyone?

Or were they factored into the cost (ie. admin’s contribution)?

Or, alternatively, have I completely confused myself

 

[JohnK]

I don't understand how they could have been sold at half the price when munitalP clearly stated the quotations he was given for the tags and that we are at a level of understanding that there is no profit to be had in this whole process (except for the tag producer).

My maths is not that good but if as posted earlier 500 luggage tags cost ~AUD1200 then each tag costs ~AUD2.40. If the luggage tags were sold at 5 for AUD12 I am guessing that the number of people purchasing them would be greater and it would have been easier to reach the required target of 500.

What's all this talk about profit? What profit is there to be had here? How did profit ever enter this entire talk on the tags?

Who said anything about profit? The fairest thing to do if getting close to breakeven point would be to distribute left over luggage tags to those who have already purchased them.

...and who said you needed to put the tags on your bags all the time? I carry my bag everyday and leave my airline tags on it, but not my FT tag - and I have my reasons. Put the tag on when you like or when you don't - much less difficult than trying to read a CoC.

I don't take my bag everywhere but I have run across my boss at the airport (actually he surprised me as we were on the same flight). I have also been surprised by a total stranger at the airport while browsing AFF on the QF desktops. I do not like surprises and I do not need to advertise to anyone that I belong to AFF.

I wasn't criticising, just commenting....

 

[samh004]

The fairest thing to do if getting close to breakeven point would be to distribute left over luggage tags to those who have already purchased them.

I’ve purchased 6 and I’m not even sure what I’m going to do with them, I can’t imagine having any more :-|

That being said, if it came down to it I might buy another 4 to help get us “over the line”. At the appropriate time though.

 

[anat0l]

My maths is not that good but if as posted earlier 500 luggage tags cost ~AUD1200 then each tag costs ~AUD2.40. If the luggage tags were sold at 5 for AUD12 I am guessing that the number of people purchasing them would be greater and it would have been easier to reach the required target of 500.

You are forgetting postage costs and a commission charged on the use of Paypal (so unless there were going to be numerous bank transfers).

I'm not going to ask specifically for a taxes & charges style breakdown, but the cost as it appeared to me as an all-in looked on the mark.

Although certainly a cheaper price would probably mean more (or quicker) sales (just like we do well in the air travel industry), I think it is spurious to assert that any given price would have resulted in an easy sale of the required number of tags.

 

[JohnK]

You are forgetting postage costs and a commission charged on the use of Paypal (so unless there were going to be numerous bank transfers).

I'm not going to ask specifically for a taxes & charges style breakdown, but the cost as it appeared to me as an all-in looked on the mark.

Although certainly a cheaper price would probably mean more (or quicker) sales (just like we do well in the air travel industry), I think it is spurious to assert that any given price would have resulted in an easy sale of the required number of tags.

Good point although it still makes break even point at ~230 luggage tags sold with a lot left over. Perhaps a cheaper price would have meant more luggage tags sold and possibly some new(er) members purchasing luggage tags. I think most people who have purchased AFF luggage tags so far already know each other.

 

[Flashback]

Sorry if my original quote started all this, I am much obliged for all your hard work munitalP. I’m just curious, presuming we sell another 100 tags at current prices, what will we do with the extra 300 or so that have been paid for but haven’t been purchased by anyone?

Or were they factored into the cost (ie. admin’s contribution)?

Or, alternatively, have I completely confused myself

Exactly. Once 200 or so or sold at the current prices, that leaves 300 tags or near enough leftover. Oh, so these are not going to sell? These are not going to turn a profit? Ok, guys. Whatever you say. I'm not even going to bother anymore. Obviously my years in business say that stock leftover is going to be worth nothing. Silly me! Bah.

The tags left over will eventually sell and turn a profit, so what then? Yeh, ok.

 

[Flashback]

Sorry if my original quote started all this, I am much obliged for all your hard work munitalP. I’m just curious, presuming we sell another 100 tags at current prices, what will we do with the extra 300 or so that have been paid for but haven’t been purchased by anyone?

Or were they factored into the cost (ie. admin’s contribution)?

Or, alternatively, have I completely confused myself

Also to add to your post, if the cost is met; admin has no money to put into it. So I then ask, should the URL be placed on the tags? I don't think so. The condition upon the URL being placed on was due to admin placing money into the project. I'm happy to place money into the project, and I'm not asking for my URL to be plastered onto the tag. And I don't even have a site making a lot of money off the tags; c'est la vie?

 

[drron]

I have just ordered 4.I am absolutely hopeless at design so I will go with the majority.

 

[admin]

I must say that I'm pretty surprised and disappointed by some of the comments. munitalP has done an outstanding job at organising this for all AFF members and at no profit to himself (or anyone else, including me for that matter).

Quite frankly, if I was munitalP I would walk away from the whole thing! It is so easy to be critical, I'd like to see someone else do a better job.

If munitalP decides to continue with the project, I'll keep to my word and fund the difference if "a reasonable amount" of tags have been sold. But I have learnt a lot from this exercise, I won't be making another such offer again.

If you don't want to pay by Paypal, don't. munitalP has always given you this option.

If having the site URL on the tag offends people: fine - take it out, its your project.