AIR - A Qantas Magazine

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Looking back over the thread , I think it's been published quarterly :June, September, December and should have been due in mid-March.
Maybe Red Roo could make some enquiries for us?
 
Its over
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However, I do have every issue - brand new with the original offer letter signed by John B

In response to an email sent:

Hi munitalP,


Thank you for your email.


Unfortunately the December issue of AIR Magazine was the final issue to go to print. Following discussions between Qantas and ACP Magazines (ACP producing the magazine on behalf of Qantas) the decision was made to cease publishing the title in 2011.


My apologies for the fact that this was not communicated earlier.

Kindest regards ...



Oh well....
 
Its over :(

However, I do have every issue - brand new with the original offer letter signed by John B

In response to an email sent:

Hi munitalP,


Thank you for your email.


Unfortunately the December issue of AIR Magazine was the final issue to go to print. Following discussions between Qantas and ACP Magazines (ACP producing the magazine on behalf of Qantas) the decision was made to cease publishing the title in 2011.


My apologies for the fact that this was not communicated earlier.

Kindest regards


Oh well....

What a shame. Leaving it on the coffee table gave me immense fun with my social climbing sister-in-law. To be fair I didn't particularly think much to the content though.
 
Only received 3 I think as each hit the bin quickly.

Really wasn't much to read.

ejb


Sent from my iPhone so please ignore auto corrects!
 
No great loss. Given the last edition was my first and only, I'll work on the assumption I'm still in that echelon...even if I drop back to NB!
 
With the advent of Direct Earn cards - they can very easily figure out an individuals disposable income.

Really? How are they to know how much of your "disposable" spend is in fact disposable?? They have no clue what you are spending/purchasing on your card, they just see how many points credit to FF from your card provider. It seems to me, that if you actually have the money, you don't really care about maximising your status or FF earn rate, because whatever it is that you want, you can afford to buy. People that earn such money, have little time or interest in working out how many Y- flights they need to take before xx-xx-2012 in order to re-qualify for WP! I'd hazard a guess, that their purchased class of service gets them the benefits of status, without actually needing it, and that in my opinion, is true class!
 
Really? How are they to know how much of your "disposable" spend is in fact disposable?? They have no clue what you are spending/purchasing on your card, they just see how many points credit to FF from your card provider. It seems to me, that if you actually have the money, you don't really care about maximising your status or FF earn rate, because whatever it is that you want, you can afford to buy. People that earn such money, have little time or interest in working out how many Y- flights they need to take before xx-xx-2012 in order to re-qualify for WP! I'd hazard a guess, that their purchased class of service gets them the benefits of status, without actually needing it, and that in my opinion, is true class!
I totally disagree with you :!:


Have you really thought your comments through :?:

Many people have the money because they don't actually spend it.

Alternately where do you draw the line between just enough, enough, comfortable, very comfortable, well off, extremely well off and rich :?: At what point does it apply :?:

Until quite recently we had a poster here who fitted into one of the top categories yet he was interested in how AFF & the whole status thing worked yet he only ever travelled in 'F' or if flying domestic US would only ever travel via private jet.
 
Key learning point. People get rich because they are very careful with their money and they maximize the return per dollar spent.

There is also the situation that qantas knows exactly how much money people spend on their cards precisely because of the points being credited. If these are true classy people buying business an first class airfares. It is easy to assume that the money spent is, in fact, disposable and then back calculate the spend from the points credited.
 
I totally disagree with you :!:

Of course you are more than entitled to disagree. That is after all, what a democracy is about.

Have you really thought your comments through :?:

No, not really... I thought id just randomly post whatever just popped into my head!

Many people have the money because they don't actually spend it.

Having not seen this "Air" magazine myself, i'm assuming it targets the highest FF's whom it is assumed have the "highest disposable income" and therefore are able to indulge in the products and/or services advertised in this magazine. It would seem like a waste of time and money for QF to actively target customers who don't spend money, but as has been discussed, a magazine is a very crude marketing tool.

Alternately where do you draw the line between just enough, enough, comfortable, very comfortable, well off, extremely well off and rich :?: At what point does it apply :?:

Thats not for me to say... Im not the one marketing to those demographics. But it stands to reason that if you're advertising very expensive one-off or limited edition swiss watches, that can cost anywhere between $10,000 and "whats your limit",or any other product or service that is in that magazine, you'd better be sure about where your target audience sits in that "band".

Until quite recently we had a poster here who fitted into one of the top categories yet he was interested in how AFF & the whole status thing worked yet he only ever travelled in 'F' or if flying domestic US would only ever travel via private jet.

You don't make any mention if he was an active FF or not. It would seem a little odd to me that an individual who travelled via private jet would bother collecting miles on commercial flights, because to me, it would seem his time is far more valuable than a trivial FF membership. But I could be wrong. As for his interest in how AFF worked, couldn't that be the same kind of interest an aristocrat or socialite has in how laundry actually gets done?? They find the most mundane tasks fascinating because they don't encounter it. it is something foreign to them.

On a similar note, Concorde's most frequent flyer, wasnt actually a frequent flyer member. He simply didn't care. He wouldnt have the time to bother collecting miles in the vain hope that he "might" be able to score a free trip if he booked 365 days in advance. He'd simply book and pay for whatever flights he needed, super or subsonic, either on his personal or employers dime. Plus his R of F class tickets would get him all the "benefits" he'd ever need.

All im trying to highlight here is that, there is a FF "system" in place, and by all means, use it. But it seems somewhat puerile to me that people would take unnecessary flights (NAN status runs anyone??), multi segment YUPP's or spend money on credit cards that they wouldnt have ordinarily spent for no other reason than to get X amount of points or to attain X Status. FF status levels were (IMO) designed to reward an airlines most frequent flyers and not those who almost fraudulently chase it, just for the hell of it!

It is also evident that those who are most vocal about the "enhancements" and "dilution" of their benefits are those who in all likelihood, don't 'genuinely" qualify for the status they have, despite meeting the eligibility criteria. Their status is achieved and retained by finding and exploiting the loop holes and bending the rules so that they can take advantage of something that they ordinarily would not be entitled to, like First class lounges that could be exclusively for First class passengers and not WP's who attain it on heavily discounted tickets. Every FF it seems, has a false sense of entitlement, that ultimately dilutes the benefits of the customers that matter most to airlines, those being the highly profitable passengers that actually pay for frequent J and F travel. I'd bet my house that half the QF WP's do NOT fall into that category!
 
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The fact remains that the platinum QFF who gets their status on discount economy flights has been deemed profitable enough by qantas to get those benefits. This is the case regardless of what any outsider imagines the situation to be. Things like AIR were targeted at those deemed more worthy/profitable.
 
......but I got it? :shock:

And clearly you're more worthy. ;)

I'm happy to admit I'm one of those free loading scum platinums who just fly a lot for work and don't actually contribute any profit to qantas*; yet who they still give platinum benefits to. ;) ;)

* is that the problem with qantas? Giving away benefits to people (scum platinums) who haven't actually earnt them the good honest, decent, god fearing way.
 
Key learning point. People get rich because they are very careful with their money and they maximize the return per dollar spent.

There is also the situation that qantas knows exactly how much money people spend on their cards precisely because of the points being credited. If these are true classy people buying business an first class airfares. It is easy to assume that the money spent is, in fact, disposable and then back calculate the spend from the points credited.

Are you suggesting the local BMW or MB dealership establish a "Frequent Buyer" scheme that rewards you with a "buy 10 get 1 free" arrangement for your car purchases?? And better still, should they not only apply it to BMW's, but also allow you to buy a Mini or Bentley and the same deal applies?? Why are airlines any different??

A few hundred thousand points in a FF account is not a tangible asset that can really be taken into account as a ROI. You cannot say that a $1800 el cheapo ticket to London in Y- actually only cost $1675.52 because the points you "earnt" from your $1800 investment are worth $124.48, or conversely, that your flight was really worth $1924.48 but you only paid $1800 for it, meaning your an astute investor.

There is also the situation that qantas knows exactly how much money people spend on their cards precisely because of the points being credited. If these are true classy people buying business an first class airfares. It is easy to assume that the money spent is, in fact, disposable and then back calculate the spend from the points credited.

and so what if QF know exactly how much money you spend?? they have no idea, what you are actually spending it on. I wouldn't exactly class food, utilities, school fees etc as "disposable" income.

Im also not exactly certain what you mean about buying F and J tickets on a credit card...
 
Really? How are they to know how much of your "disposable" spend is in fact disposable?? They have no clue what you are spending/purchasing on your card, they just see how many points credit to FF from your card provider.

Its a moot point now but they had a pretty good idea:

The AIR target reader:
- Is over 18 times more likely than other Australians to have $2million or more in savings in investments
- Average amount in savings and investments is $1million – which is more than five times greater than the Australian average of $185,350
- Is in the top 0.4% of the population – they are wealthy and discerning
Distribution
Collectively, these select individuals represent the captains of industry and high achievers across a broad range of professions including industry, politics, arts and sport.
Frequency:Quarterly
Readers:Qantas elite 15,000 Chairmans Lounge Members
25,000 top echelon Platinum Frequent Flyers
Distribution:40,000
 
And clearly you're more worthy. ;)

I'm happy to admit I'm one of those free loading scum platinums who just fly a lot for work and don't actually contribute any profit to qantas*; yet who they still give platinum benefits to. ;) ;)

And im happy to admit that im the type of flyer who spreads my flying across OW and SA so that I can enjoy J lounge access on both. I know that airlines need to set the goal posts so to speak, but a WP can be infinitely less profitable than an infrequent F or J traveller, much in the same way as someone, like myself who fly's just enough to qualify for a given status (SG in my case) before jumping ship and flying with SA is less profitable the a WP who does the same thing. There are so many ways to achieve X status that it is simply incorrect to suggest all X's are equally profitable, but like I said..... goal posts are set and profitable or not, you meet the criteria.

* is that the problem with qantas? Giving away benefits to people (scum platinums) who haven't actually earnt them the good honest, decent, god fearing way.

You could actually be quite right. But when they "enhance" your benefits, you all kick and scream like petulant children because you're not having your backsides kissed as much as you think they should be!

What would you do if QF said only SC earnt on QF tally toward your status?? It may not affect you personally, but it would certainly affect many others who rely on bad*, dishonest*, indecent* and god indifferent ways* to earn their status!

* to quote medhead.
 
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The AIR target reader:
- Is over 18 times more likely than other Australians to have $2million or more in savings in investments
- Average amount in savings and investments is $1million – which is more than five times greater than the Australian average of $185,350
- Is in the top 0.4% of the population – they are wealthy and discerning
Distribution
Collectively, these select individuals represent the captains of industry and high achievers across a broad range of professions including industry, politics, arts and sport.
Frequency:Quarterly
Readers:Qantas elite 15,000 Chairmans Lounge Members
25,000 top echelon Platinum Frequent Flyers
Distribution:40,000

....but....but...I got it! :shock:

No wonder they stopped producing it, they couldn't find their target market!!!!!!!
 
Its a moot point now but they had a pretty good idea:

The AIR target reader:
- Is over 18 times more likely than other Australians to have $2million or more in savings in investments
- Average amount in savings and investments is $1million – which is more than five times greater than the Australian average of $185,350
- Is in the top 0.4% of the population – they are wealthy and discerning
Distribution
Collectively, these select individuals represent the captains of industry and high achievers across a broad range of professions including industry, politics, arts and sport.
Frequency:Quarterly
Readers:Qantas elite 15,000 Chairmans Lounge Members
25,000 top echelon Platinum Frequent Flyers
Distribution:40,000

So how does this apply to the self confessed people that DON'T fit into this category, yet received the magazine??

And in all honesty... Do u expect captains of industry to have the time or patience to trawl through internet forums regarding a few hundred thousand frequent flyer points when they deal in the hundred's of millions of dollars. I think some perspective is badly needed here.

And why do the top 25,000 WP's necessarily fall into the target group you defined above? Isnt most of the travel paid for by ythe employer? and If so, why does that reflect on ones personal circumstances??
 
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