Air Crash Investigation

[medhead]

Well just to clarify i am NOT for people dying at all.
:?:

Hell! I was taking the piss! Why do you have to get all serious and keep clarifying what I have now stated twice that I understand?

I am quite sure that the collective wisdom of this site could list a lot more than three such episodes:!:

I'll start with one about a Super Puma Helicopter struck by lightening that ditched in the North Sea. Then there is the Gimli Glider s a second.

Ohh forgot the super puma. So that make 4 episodes, that I've seen.....

 

[QF WP]

I think I've seen most of them, but I am always excited when I see a new episode.

 

[david870mdg]

Love the following episodes (of so many):
1) St Elmos Fire - 747 dissapears from radar, loses all contact and power.

I belevie that everyone survived this, the plane lost all radar contact, all four engines and all power on board, but once it cleared the volcanic cloud everything was restored. It was recognised as the first time such an event has ever happened and now appropriate procedures are in place with all avaiation authorities to avoid such an incident from ever occuring.

 

[markis10]

I belevie that everyone survived this, the plane lost all radar contact, all four engines and all power on board, but once it cleared the volcanic cloud everything was restored. It was recognised as the first time such an event has ever happened and now appropriate procedures are in place with all avaiation authorities to avoid such an incident from ever occuring.

Reality is always different to TV, while I wont wade into the show being too focused on fatal events (non fatal outcomes are a rarity in aviation incidents in the air), its also true to say we dont learn from our mistakes.

In the case you quoted (BA9), the exact same thing happened to SQ a week later! Big deal I hear you say, it was too soon after the first one for the learnings to be communicated, well in 1989 the exact same thing happened to another B747, this time KLM over Alaska. In the last 15 years there have been over 80 commercial aircraft encounters with volcanic ash, despite the technology advances that have been implemented since BA9 in 1982 - we still have work to do!

 

[mannej]

I belevie that everyone survived this, the plane lost all radar contact, all four engines and all power on board, but once it cleared the volcanic cloud everything was restored. It was recognised as the first time such an event has ever happened and now appropriate procedures are in place with all avaiation authorities to avoid such an incident from ever occuring.

BA009 is the only episode involving an aircraft heading towards Australia as well*

There have been a few incidents of late that could be covered (both fatal/non-fatal), but it seems NatGeo have been cutting down on episodes lately. It would be nice to see some new ones out there.

*(Technically UA811 was heading to Sydney as it's final destinations)Oops

 

[markis10]

BA009 is the only episode involving an aircraft heading towards Australia as well

Nope - UA811 was also heading to Australia, Sydney in fact, via a stop in Auckland!

 

[mannej]

Nope - UA811 was also heading to Australia, Sydney in fact, via a stop in Auckland!

I did realise that after I posted it and duly noted it

 

[Flying Fox]

Speaking of Australia. Does anyone think that they will make an episode about the EK filght from MEL that had the cargo weight incorrectly input into the FMC?

 

[drewbles]

Speaking of Australia. Does anyone think that they will make an episode about the EK filght from MEL that had the cargo weight incorrectly input into the FMC?

Unlikely. There's not as much of a 'story' to tell as say the A330 or 747 incidents.

Also, there was the Ethiopian Air 767 that was hijacked and was told to fly to Australia, so that almost counts as one 'to Australia'.

I don't like seeing people die in air accidents, but love the series. It makes me realise how much safer flying is from the lessons learned in the accidents. It's a tragedy that people had to die to make flying safer though (especially in the case of UA811 where the FAA had already instructed airlines to repair the cargo door locking mechanism within 18 months, rather than pushing for it to be rectified quickly).

 

[medhead]

Unlikely. There's not as much of a 'story' to tell as say the A330 or 747 incidents.

Given Nat Geos mastery of repeatively repeating the facts, throw in some emotional bits and pieces, plus a few advertisements, I'm sure they could do a story on the EK flight from MEL.

35 minutes on the life story select passengers (including a child or baby), how it was the trip of a lifetime of at least one of them, and another business man returning home to see his family. Then introduce the cabin crew, step through the boarding proceedure, a hold up getting some checked luggage put away. Then we hear about the flight crew, the captain, first officer etc.

15 minutes on running through the aircraft getting moving, loading luggage, engine start, push back, taxiing, clearance and then the takeoff (this would require at least 5 minutes.

Then 2 minutes rapping up - telling us the problem. 8 mins for ads.

 

[Shooter2712]

Will be waiting on one for the Air France Flight that went down a few months back.

It's awful knowing people die, but ultimately it has proven to be for the greater good of the industry.

 

[Will]

It's awful knowing people die, but ultimately it has proven to be for the greater good of the industry.

Say what now? People dying is for the good of the industry?

 

[david870mdg]

Given Nat Geos mastery of repeatively repeating the facts, throw in some emotional bits and pieces, plus a few advertisements, I'm sure they could do a story on the EK flight from MEL.

35 minutes on the life story select passengers (including a child or baby), how it was the trip of a lifetime of at least one of them, and another business man returning home to see his family. Then introduce the cabin crew, step through the boarding proceedure, a hold up getting some checked luggage put away. Then we hear about the flight crew, the captain, first officer etc.

15 minutes on running through the aircraft getting moving, loading luggage, engine start, push back, taxiing, clearance and then the takeoff (this would require at least 5 minutes.

Then 2 minutes rapping up - telling us the problem. 8 mins for ads.

You could be one of the scriptwriters or a director for this show

 

[drewbles]

You could be one of the scriptwriters or a director for this show

My thoughts exactly I think he put a little too much thought into that But it's not as bad as "Seconds from Disaster". They seem to re-live the same facts over and over, every minute or two, and then put a digital clock over them

 

[medhead]

My thoughts exactly I think he put a little too much thought into that

I regularly spend days driving through outback South Australia - plenty of time to think.

 

[oz_mark]

BA009 is the only episode involving an aircraft heading towards Australia as well*

The BA009 incident is screening on 7TWO tonight, if you're interested.

 

[tuppaware]

The first and second series were better then the later eps.
I tire of the long winded personal stories of hardships . I enjoy seeing how they have taken what they have learn to improve what is out in the real world.

 

[NYCguy]

Say what now? People dying is for the good of the industry?

Oh, for God's sake, that is NOT was meant, and you know it very well. Why on Earth would anyone say something that literally means that the deaths of a couple of hundred people is a "good" thing?

Getting to the root cause of airline (and other) disasters is invariably a learning experience for all concerned, and almost always results in changes to the industry which make it unlikely that such an incident will happen again, and improves safety for all passengers.

[sarcasm/] Put simply, in the hope that you'll be able to comprehend the message:

People die in plane crash = not good.

Find out what make plane crash and make better so other planes no crash = good.

Is that clear now??? [/sarcasm]

 

[medhead]

Say what now? People dying is for the good of the industry?

Ohh, I missed this post originally. I usually love these kinds of statements, but Ill be restrained as I made comments earlier in the thread that might be interpreted as similar to your comment.

So i will just mention hypothermia research, the vast majority of useful data on hypothermia was obtained in concentration camps during WW2. Should we use that data to save lives now, or just throw it out?

 

[tuppaware]

For example - Lighting tracks on the floor of planes were a direct result of
of the Air Canada Fire on a DC-9 and the British Airtours Manchester Flight

With Out these accidents who knows how many more people in the future might die?