Air Crash Investigation

[Sprucegoose]

They should play ACI during the flight and see how many people freak out. =) Yes i realise it's not allowed...

what would be awesome is if they did a special flight for horror film lovers and played a film like final destination and purposely fly the plane through bad weather...

Hey dont they do that now on some airlines???:evil::evil:

 

[jb747]

A good show on Foxtel now - Flying Heavy Metal - says the opposite. Watched an episode yesterday about a simulated flight with complete loss of rudder and ailerons. With an older plane this is certain death. With the latest automation and software the plane can be flown and landed almost normally using just flaps and trim controls.

Well, if you take it a step further, the older 'fly by hydraulics' aircraft can actually be flown without any hydraulics at all, if the right software boxes are installed. They use the engines for roll and pitch control. This was tested on an MD11 by NASA, but was never installed in any operational aircraft.

But, looking at the scenario you offer...no modern airliner offers a way around that problem using the automatics. But, you would still have normal pitch control, and roll control would be available via differential power. Actually a nicer situation than some cases in which landings, with varying degrees of success, have been made.

But, what I was referring to was the habit of some systems to drop you back into degraded modes, and reduced instrument capability, with only a little bit of a push. For instance, in a 747, as it isn't a fly by wire aircraft, it is always flying in what amounts to the Airbus 'direct law'. The autopilot works, and so does the flight director. But, if an Airbus degrades enough to drop you back to alternate law II, or to direct law, not only does the autopilot cease working, but so too does the autothrottle and the flight director.

Lose two systems (for instance two air data computers) in a jumbo, and you will have lost your ability to have the pilots on different data sources, but you will be able to select them both to the same source, so they will at least have some data displayed. Autopilots, flight directors, and autothrottle will still work, though you will get a warning to ensure that you realise you are both on the same data. Lose the same two ADCs in an Airbus, and the aircraft will revert to alternate law, lose the autopilots, flight directors, and autothrust. And worst of all, depending upon just which ADCs you have lost, either the captain or the FO will lose all primary instrumentation.

My point is though, that a relatively minor failure can have downstream effects that make life a lot harder...and the automatics will never help you there, as they will give up the ghost at the first opportunity.

 

[jb747]

I'll vote for QF30. Now I wonder which actor they will use to play the role of Captain .

Presumably some boring, fat, grey cough.

Actually my vote would be for the 72. The 30 and the 32 are both interesting mechanical failures, and whilst both rare (to non existent), they are also both well understood, and probably not all that likely to recur.

But, the 72 gives you a new failure mode...that of software error. I suspect that in the longer term we'll end up swapping pilot error for errors written by coders....

 

[NM]

Presumably some boring, fat, grey cough.

Hey, that could be me (working on reducing the fat, but the grey is beyond my control)

But, the 72 gives you a new failure mode...that of software error. I suspect that in the longer term we'll end up swapping pilot error for errors written by coders....

If the process of removing the errors from software is called "debugging", does that mean the process by which the errors were first created should be changed from "programming" to "buggering"? Now what should we call a person who write the code?

 

[Homer]

If the process of removing the errors from software is called "debugging", does that mean the process by which the errors were first created should be changed from "programming" to “buggering”?

OT but I remember the good old days when it was just “programming”. Now they’re all “software engineers” and they have the salary expectations to match...

 

[Nigelinoz]

Mondays episode is the BA038 LHR crash ,should be good viewing.
7:30PM,National Geographic Channel 610.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[mannej]

Mondays episode is the BA038 LHR crash ,should be good viewing.
7:30PM,National Geographic Channel 610.
Cheers
N'oz

For those who want a sneak peak, you tube have a few of the new episodes in full length (BA, US & TK) so far


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[Nigelinoz]

Tonight's episode of Air Crash Investigation covers the crash of Turkish Airlines FL 1951 where a 737 crashed into a field and broke into 3 pieces,from what I have seen the program focuses on whether the 737 has so much automation that too much control has been taken from the pilots hands.
Should be interesting.
National Geographic Channel 610, 7:30PM
Cheers
N'oz

 

[yohy?!]

Just watched Scandinavian 751 on youtube (Pilot Betrayed) - excellent episode, in the vein of the Hudson Crash and always nice to have an ep without a body count

Sadly it's the last episode in the season

 

[one9]

I downloaded the first 7 seasons .

 

[mannej]

One thing I find interesting with ACI is that there are some pretty big errors that slip past the editing stage.
The BA038 episode has a clip where it shows an MD80/DC9 on finals instead of the 777.
There is an episode from memory that is about a 737 crash, yet the seating was 2-3-2.

Small to some yet I find it amusing

 

[FuzzyAUS]

Just watched Scandinavian 751 on youtube (Pilot Betrayed) - excellent episode, in the vein of the Hudson Crash and always nice to have an ep without a body count

Sadly it's the last episode in the season

I have seen another one, Ep 9x06 - "Whos In Control" come out in the last few hours

 

[Schillaci]

I like it how the investigators on the scene are always wearing a jacket or jumpsuit with "FBI" "AAIB" or "NTSB" on their backs.

 

[drewbles]

I downloaded the first 7 seasons from: *removed*

Might want to remove that link, it's actually illegal to download Television shows like this that are copyrighted material

 

[mannej]

Found a new series on Discovery. Aircrash Confidential. There seems to be several episodes on Youtube, and one features QF72.

My warning is that the detail that goes into the reconstructions is simply not there, however it is interesting to see someone try and compete with ACI

 

[mosanator]

Mondays episode is the BA038 LHR crash ,should be good viewing.
7:30PM,National Geographic Channel 610.
Cheers
N'oz

Damn I missed that one. Would have been nice to see what was happening on the ground. I was flying around in circles above LHR at the time.

 

[david870mdg]

YouTube - aircrashuploader's Channel

is this person an AFF member?
Do like the uploads though

 

[AdMEL]

Back on tonight on 7, starting in a couple of minutes.

 

[v8Statesman]

Are they old? I've seen this one.


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[mannej]

Are they old? I've seen this one.


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It is Season 9. Already shown on Fox. Season 11 is the most current, but I am waiting to see what Episodes season 12 will have for us!