Angry about proposed travel ban exemption for footballers

[jakeseven7]

Hardcore quarantine happening here

https://twitter.com/x/status/1301433077147803653

 

[drron]

Though it does appear the ALP is starting to get just a little bit worried.At the end of July they were behind on the 2PP poll 51-49.
their private polling suggested they had pulled back that lead but the AFL situation and coverage like the Channel 9 coverage above seems to have reversed that trend.Possibly AP went that little bit too far.

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[lovetravellingoz]

It's not double standards. It's just they are "special", and everyone else isn't

Well we do live in a land of free enterprise

It is not so much special as they are all in the one bubble, and so the quarantine process is different rather than special. So if one tests positive for Covid 19 then they all get extended by another 14 days. It is to be true at a higher standard, but when was travel only at the one standard when user-pays is in operation?

This compares to say the same number who if say they flew in from another state as say 100 families of 4 who as they would be in 100 different rooms, if one family tests positive the other 99 families would be out when the 14 days are up. Would the 100 families all be happy to gamble on the other 99 families not being positive = I doubt it.

Plus what happens with normal quarantine is that people arrive in dribs and drabs.


The AFL 400 is one job lot. Their are both pros and cons to this approach. Two clubs wanted to fly up some players earlier and the AFL said no, they all had to come up in the one lot or not at all.

The AFL has done it this way with use of facilities so that the players involved in the move can still train. Footballers who cannot train properly would be pretty well useless. The previous migrations were done in the same way, but without the outcry.

But yes it does mean the job lot approach is more pleasant, and has its perks, but equally the AFL is picking up the full tab. But it comes with the risk of longer quarantine. That risk will have been minimised though by prior testing, rather than the normal approach of test on arrival.

A lot of people on this forum aspire to travel not in the back of the bus, but in the pointy end, when it comes to flying. Provided the AFL is meeting all costs, why is this approach so appalling? If the Qld Gov was footing the bill it would be an entirely different matter.

Being the one job lot, the AFL probably also gains some economy of scale benefits.

If international border quarantine remains and international travel opens up, as it is now user pays it is only probably a matter of time before travellers will have the choice of different quarantine standards on a user pays basis. If you could upgrade, would you still use the basic level, or would go for something of a higher standard?

 

[Pushka]

Provided the AFL is meeting all costs, why is this approach so appalling?

Because they are the only group of people to whom such privilege has been extended. Whilst others are battling justbto feed their families as per the fire issue above.

 

[antycbr]

Well we do live in a land of free enterprise

It is not so much special as they are all in the one bubble, and so the quarantine process is different rather than special. So if one tests positive for Covid 19 then they all get extended by another 14 days. It is to be true at a higher standard, but when was travel only at the one standard when user-pays is in operation?

This compares to say the same number who if say they flew in from another state as say 100 families of 4 who as they would be in 100 different rooms, if one family tests positive the other 99 families would be out when the 14 days are up. Would the 100 families all be happy to gamble on the other 99 families not being positive = I doubt it.

Plus what happens with normal quarantine is that people arrive in dribs and drabs.


The AFL 400 is one job lot. Their are both pros and cons to this approach. Two clubs wanted to fly up some players earlier and the AFL said no, they all had to come up in the one lot or not at all.

The AFL has done it this way with use of facilities so that the players involved in the move can still train. Footballers who cannot train properly would be pretty well useless. The previous migrations were done in the same way, but without the outcry.

But yes it does mean the job lot approach is more pleasant, and has its perks, but equally the AFL is picking up the full tab. But it comes with the risk of longer quarantine. That risk will have been minimised though by prior testing, rather than the normal approach of test on arrival.

A lot of people on this forum aspire to travel not in the back of the bus, but in the pointy end, when it comes to flying. Provided the AFL is meeting all costs, why is this approach so appalling? If the Qld Gov was footing the bill it would be an entirely different matter.

Being the one job lot, the AFL probably also gains some economy of scale benefits.

If international border quarantine remains and international travel opens up, as it is now user pays it is only probably a matter of time before travellers will have the choice of different quarantine standards on a user pays basis. If you could upgrade, would you still use the basic level, or would go for something of a higher standard?

The Queensland Government IS paying an undisclosed sum to the AFL for hosting the Grand Final!!!

 

[jakeseven7]

Well we do live in a land of free enterprise

It is not so much special as they are all in the one bubble, and so the quarantine process is different rather than special. So if one tests positive for Covid 19 then they all get extended by another 14 days. It is to be true at a higher standard, but when was travel only at the one standard when user-pays is in operation?

This compares to say the same number who if say they flew in from another state as say 100 families of 4 who as they would be in 100 different rooms, if one family tests positive the other 99 families would be out when the 14 days are up. Would the 100 families all be happy to gamble on the other 99 families not being positive = I doubt it.

Plus what happens with normal quarantine is that people arrive in dribs and drabs.


The AFL 400 is one job lot. Their are both pros and cons to this approach. Two clubs wanted to fly up some players earlier and the AFL said no, they all had to come up in the one lot or not at all.

The AFL has done it this way with use of facilities so that the players involved in the move can still train. Footballers who cannot train properly would be pretty well useless. The previous migrations were done in the same way, but without the outcry.

But yes it does mean the job lot approach is more pleasant, and has its perks, but equally the AFL is picking up the full tab. But it comes with the risk of longer quarantine. That risk will have been minimised though by prior testing, rather than the normal approach of test on arrival.

A lot of people on this forum aspire to travel not in the back of the bus, but in the pointy end, when it comes to flying. Provided the AFL is meeting all costs, why is this approach so appalling? If the Qld Gov was footing the bill it would be an entirely different matter.

Being the one job lot, the AFL probably also gains some economy of scale benefits.

If international border quarantine remains and international travel opens up, as it is now user pays it is only probably a matter of time before travellers will have the choice of different quarantine standards on a user pays basis. If you could upgrade, would you still use the basic level, or would go for something of a higher standard?

Who cares it’s the optics and this one is yet another damaging torpedo for the QLD regime and their incoherent, inconsistent and impossible ‘rules’.

We have families losing babies, towns losing their food supplies and being forced to drive 100km and now AFL staff and their families sipping pina colados by the pool quite literally, while other Queenslanders can’t even get home or have any say about their own quarantine facilities.

Sorry this is just going BS crazy now...

They need to figure out how to curtail these premiers and some of their CHO’s.

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The Queensland Government IS paying an undisclosed sum to the AFL for hosting the Grand Final!!!

Correction, Queensland taxpayers.
But forget getting any special treatment extended to AFL staff and family, family! - for goodness sakes they are just hangers on!

 

[antycbr]

Who cares it’s the optics and this one is yet another damaging torpedo for the QLD regime and their incoherent, inconsistent and impossible ‘rules’.

We have families losing babies, towns losing their food supplies and being forced to drive 100km and now AFL staff and their families sipping pina colados by the pool quite literally, while other Queenslanders can’t even get home or have any say about their own quarantine facilities.

Sorry this is just going BS crazy now...

They need to figure out how to curtail these premiers and some of their CHO’s.

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Correction, Queensland taxpayers.
But forget getting any special treatment extended to AFL staff and family, family! - for goodness sakes they are just hangers on!

Double correction - Queensland is a net recipient of funding under the GST so NSW and VIC are paying for it!

 

[jase05]

Who cares it’s the optics and this one is yet another damaging torpedo for the QLD regime and their incoherent, inconsistent and impossible ‘rules’.

We have families losing babies, towns losing their food supplies and being forced to drive 100km and now AFL staff and their families sipping pina colados by the pool quite literally, while other Queenslanders can’t even get home or have any say about their own quarantine facilities.

Sorry this is just going BS crazy now...

They need to figure out how to curtail these premiers and some of their CHO’s.

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Correction, Queensland taxpayers.
But forget getting any special treatment extended to AFL staff and family, family! - for goodness sakes they are just hangers on!

I’m not sure of the amount they are paying to host the AFL GF ($3m has been bandied around) but they would make that back easily I’d think on ticket sales.
The AFL has been pumping $4m per week into Queensland for these hubs that have been there since June so I’m sure some folk in QLD are appreciative of that

 

[Lynda2475]

My objection is lack of equal opportunity.

Provided the AFL is meeting all costs, why is this approach so appalling?

Because returning Queenslanders (some recovering from surgery done interstate) willing to pay more arent afforded the opportunity to choose the class of hotel they quarantine in. Nor can they leave their rooms for fresh air or to use gym/pool/grounds for exercise or choose their meals. And because except for a miniscule number of exemptions no one in NSW or ACT who wants to do busimess and inject dollars in Qld has the option to pay to do 14 days hotel quarantine in any hotel in Queensland.

These newly admitted 400 admin and other hangers on plus their families, arent playing and dont need to be there in person. You can manage the GF remotely. If they really appreciated their privilege, they would have isolated in family groups in their rooms like everyone else, not be holidaying in a resort, flaunting their privilige.

 

[antycbr]

My objection to footy plaayers and their crews getting special exemptions, itbecause it unfairly

Because returning Queenslanders (some recovering from surgery done interstate) willing to pay more arent afforded the opportunity to choose the class of hotel they quarantine in. Nor can they leave their rooms for fresh air or to use gym/pool/grounds for exercise or choose their meals. And because except for a miniscule number of exemptions no one in NSW or ACT who wants to do busimess and inject dollars in Qld has the option to pay to do 14 days hotel quarantine in any hotel in Queensland.

These newly admitted 400 admin and other hangers on plus their families, arent playing and dont need to be there in person. You can manage the GF remotely. If they really appreciated their privilege, they would have isolated in family groups in their rooms like everyone else, not be holidaying in a resort, flaunting their privilige.

Exactly right. The optics of this for Palaszczuk are appalling and are dragging g the AFL brand with it.

 

[p--and--t]

Well we do live in a land of free enterprise

It is not so much special as they are all in the one bubble, and so the quarantine process is different rather than special. So if one tests positive for Covid 19 then they all get extended by another 14 days. It is to be true at a higher standard, but when was travel only at the one standard when user-pays is in operation?

This compares to say the same number who if say they flew in from another state as say 100 families of 4 who as they would be in 100 different rooms, if one family tests positive the other 99 families would be out when the 14 days are up. Would the 100 families all be happy to gamble on the other 99 families not being positive = I doubt it.

Plus what happens with normal quarantine is that people arrive in dribs and drabs.


The AFL 400 is one job lot. Their are both pros and cons to this approach. Two clubs wanted to fly up some players earlier and the AFL said no, they all had to come up in the one lot or not at all.

The AFL has done it this way with use of facilities so that the players involved in the move can still train. Footballers who cannot train properly would be pretty well useless. The previous migrations were done in the same way, but without the outcry.

But yes it does mean the job lot approach is more pleasant, and has its perks, but equally the AFL is picking up the full tab. But it comes with the risk of longer quarantine. That risk will have been minimised though by prior testing, rather than the normal approach of test on arrival.

A lot of people on this forum aspire to travel not in the back of the bus, but in the pointy end, when it comes to flying. Provided the AFL is meeting all costs, why is this approach so appalling? If the Qld Gov was footing the bill it would be an entirely different matter.

Being the one job lot, the AFL probably also gains some economy of scale benefits.

If international border quarantine remains and international travel opens up, as it is now user pays it is only probably a matter of time before travellers will have the choice of different quarantine standards on a user pays basis. If you could upgrade, would you still use the basic level, or would go for something of a higher standard?

If it is a user pays system as a justification of hundreds of family, friends and hangers on that actually are not required for the season on site, than why can I not organise a test for myself, prove I'm negative, pay for my airfare to a city in QLD of the govs choosing and pay for 14 days quarantine in a hotel? Doesn't have to be a luxury resort, doesn't have to have a pool or spa or bar. I can stay in my room for 14 days.

The optics of this is atrocious. Sure have a bubble for players coaches and trainers, most people get that. But not what is happening this week.

 

[antycbr]

If it is a user pays system as a justification of hundreds of family, friends and hangers on that actually are not required for the season on site, than why can I not organise a test for myself, prove I'm negative, pay for my airfare to a city in QLD of the govs choosing and pay for 14 days quarantine in a hotel? Doesn't have to be a luxury resort, doesn't have to have a pool or spa or bar. I can stay in my room for 14 days.

The optics of this is atrocious. Sure have a bubble for players coaches and trainers, most people get that. But not what is happening this week.

Time to engage the AFLs sponsors too vai social media. I think the AFL have made a grave mistake here.

 

[p--and--t]

Time to engage the AFLs sponsors too vai social media. I think the AFL have made a grave mistake here.

Maybe in vain. They have been getting away with unacceptable stuff for many decades without any real negative repercussions and have a truckload of supporters who will rationalise away or justify anything they've done for their footy and their "stars".

The litany of bullying, racism, homophobia, rapes, domestic violence, deliberate public damage and drunkness, adultery, driving offences, drug offences, inappropriate interference with juniors, physical assaults, associations with bikie gangs and the list goes on and after a few headlines and excuses from the top down, it continues unabated.

 

[jakeseven7]

My objection is lack of equal opportunity.



Because returning Queenslanders (some recovering from surgery done interstate) willing to pay more arent afforded the opportunity to choose the class of hotel they quarantine in. Nor can they leave their rooms for fresh air or to use gym/pool/grounds for exercise or choose their meals. And because except for a miniscule number of exemptions no one in NSW or ACT who wants to do busimess and inject dollars in Qld has the option to pay to do 14 days hotel quarantine in any hotel in Queensland.

These newly admitted 400 admin and other hangers on plus their families, arent playing and dont need to be there in person. You can manage the GF remotely. If they really appreciated their privilege, they would have isolated in family groups in their rooms like everyone else, not be holidaying in a resort, flaunting their privilige.

I sniff some more great cartoons on the way with Anna and Dr Young depicted as the bartenders in the swim up ‘Election’ bar, serving coughtails to the AFL ‘quarantiners‘ in the pool saying ‘it’s on the state!’. While peering from locked rooms across the street are normal Queenslanders recovering from brain surgery having to quarantine in little rooms...

Wish I could draw!

 

[Pushka]

Who cares it’s the optics and this one is yet another damaging torpedo for the QLD regime and their incoherent, inconsistent and impossible ‘rules’.

We have families losing babies, towns losing their food supplies and being forced to drive 100km and now AFL staff and their families sipping pina colados by the pool quite literally, while other Queenslanders can’t even get home or have any say about their own quarantine facilities.

Sorry this is just going BS crazy now...

They need to figure out how to curtail these premiers and some of their CHO’s.

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Correction, Queensland taxpayers.
But forget getting any special treatment extended to AFL staff and family, family! - for goodness sakes they are just hangers on!

I think SA was prepared to pay $12 million. Hopefully Qld will stay safe but SA is the second choice if something happens. One can only imagine what those discussions might mean but it will he mutiny if at the last minute everyone debunks to SA and as that will be as the result of a Covid Qld outbreak then our SA borders might close to Qld. So stormy times possibly.

Also heard this morning that if there are 30,000 fans then currently there wont be food or alcohol sales. Oops. Except of course for AFL amd the hangers on.

 

[Pushka]

He should be a footy player
WE WANT OUR DAD HOME FOR CHRISTMAS
By Rachel Moore
Callum and Mykala Reid have seen their dad once in five months.

It is looking increasingly likely that they will have to wait until Christmas before seeing him again. Their dad, Matt, is a FIFO worker in WA, and before the COVID-19 pandemic, would work for two weeks and then spend a week at home in Hahndorf.

But quarantine rules and the difficulty of securing an essential-worker exemption to be allowed back into WA makes returning home to see his family simply not feasible.

His wife, Rebecca, is at breaking point. “Logistically, it’s just easier for him to stay there,” Mrs Reid, 44, said.

“I’m not good at all, particularly knowing that at this stage we are working on the basis that he won’t be home until Christmas.”

Mrs Reid said FIFO workers who travelled from COVID-safe states should be exempt from border rules.

 

[tgh]

The litany of bullying, racism, homophobia, rapes, domestic violence, deliberate public damage and drunkness, adultery, driving offences, drug offences, inappropriate interference with juniors, physical assaults, associations with bikie gangs and the list goes on and after a few headlines and excuses from the top down, it continues unabated

The present content of the thread is about AFL , the above refrences clealy refer to NRL….

 

[SydneySwan]

The litany of bullying, racism, homophobia, rapes, domestic violence, deliberate public damage and drunkness, adultery, driving offences, drug offences, inappropriate interference with juniors, physical assaults, associations with bikie gangs and the list goes on and after a few headlines and excuses from the top down, it continues unabated

The present content of the thread is about AFL , the above refrences clealy refer to NRL….

Unfortunately that is not true. AFL has its own litany of horror stories. The overwhelming majority of both AFL and NRL players are well-behaved. Unfortunately there is a minority in both sports who tarnish the reputations of all the players.

 

[tgh]

The overwhelming majority of both AFL and NRL players are well-behaved

Indeed , and the comment was tongue in cheek.. left out a smiley….
Living in brisvegas we are bombarded with the continuing indiscretions of the NRL, whereas the national affairs of the AFL receive little coverage as news corp promotes and protects it's franchise.

 

[jase05]

Unfortunately that is not true. AFL has its own litany of horror stories. The overwhelming majority of both AFL and NRL players are well-behaved. Unfortunately there is a minority in both sports who tarnish the reputations of all the players.

Definitely is some grubs amongst all sports people. Usually in the off-season when they treat the small break they get like schoolies week. As always the overwhelming majority do the right thing but there will always be idiots in any group