Angry about proposed travel ban exemption for footballers

[jase05]

I think SA was prepared to pay $12 million. Hopefully Qld will stay safe but SA is the second choice if something happens. One can only imagine what those discussions might mean but it will he mutiny if at the last minute everyone debunks to SA and as that will be as the result of a Covid Qld outbreak then our SA borders might close to Qld. So stormy times possibly.

Also heard this morning that if there are 30,000 fans then currently there wont be food or alcohol sales. Oops. Except of course for AFL amd the hangers on.

The AFL is currently looking at potentially leaving players up there in hubs for the rest of this year so I’d imagine they will allow families to stay up there with them

 

[Pushka]

The AFL is currently looking at potentially leaving players up there in hubs for the rest of this year so I’d imagine they will allow families to stay up there with them

After the season end? I guess thats ok for Victorians with school age kids who cant attend anyway but non Victorian family pretty much have life as normal so theyd want to come back. And partners likely have careers and jobs also.

 

[jase05]

After the season end? I guess thats ok for Victorians with school age kids who cant attend anyway but non Victorian family pretty much have life as normal so theyd want to come back. And partners likely have careers and jobs also.

Pre season training will start again before Christmas and there is a possibility that training will be in QLD hubs. All players would be obviously allowed to return home if they choose for their 4-6 week break but would be required to be back at training just as they would normally.

 

[noble]

Because they are the only group of people to whom such privilege has been extended. Whilst others are battling justbto feed their families as per the fire issue above.

The privilege of being stuck in a hotel for 14 days with regular Covid tests! Meanwhile I am privileged to be able to relieve my self-isolation by watching footy mist nights

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The overwhelming majority of both AFL and NRL players are well-behaved

Indeed , and the comment was tongue in cheek.. left out a smiley….
Living in brisvegas we are bombarded with the continuing indiscretions of the NRL, whereas the national affairs of the AFL receive little coverage as news corp promotes and protects it's franchise.

ugh........the joy of being in a so-called NRL state! Things will improve with AFL ;-)

 

[Pushka]

The privilege of being stuck in a hotel for 14 days with regular Covid tests! Meanwhile I am privileged to be able to relieve my self-isolation by watching footy mist nights

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ugh........the joy of being in a so-called NRL state! Things will improve with AFL ;-)

I really Have no issue with playing AFL football because on the whole the players have done the right thing. The quality of the football being played is dreadful though. We switch off. And hubby is an avid AFL watcher. Not this year. It is the administrators and boffins up in Qld right now who have just arrived who have escalated the concept of privilege.

 

[Seat0B]

It is not so much special as they are all in the one bubble, and so the quarantine process is different rather than special.

Yes, because as @Pushka said, no one else, other than celebrities, has the option of getting a "different" process.

 

[Seat0B]

Plus what happens with normal quarantine is that people arrive in dribs and drabs.


The AFL 400 is one job lot.

And yet the weekly total for returning Aussies from overseas, often in tight circumstances for Brisbane is just 500 per week - due to limits on available quarantine hotels, we are told. Again, its the priorities on display here that are agitating me.

Even if I accept the argument made by many that footy is work and should be allowed (even though lots of other work is not allowed), I don't see why the pampered families and hangers on should be allowed. I have no sympathy for the "oh they miss their family" argument. I think people stuck overseas probably miss their families just as much, and certainly as a military member and a military spouse, I've had plenty of time away from my family over the years.

Really, it is about the priorities on display when lung transplant recipients and other high needs medical have such a palaver to go through, let alone people wanting to see their elderly relatives before they die.

I can accept that it does not have to be a case of either/or, but could in fact allow both footy and humane activity, but that is NOT how it is playing out.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yes, because as @Pushka said, no one else, other than celebrities, has the option of getting a "different" process.

While I understand that people are angry, the AFL Bubbles are not because they are celebrities, but because they are sports teams.

Normal 14 day quarantine simply does not work for for sporting teams where training an interaction is required. So you either have no professional team sport (AFL, NRL, Netball, Soccer etc) or you have these bubbles.

• For example Hawthorn has had their bubble move to NSW, then WA, then SA and now to Qld. Conventional quarantine just does not work in this situation

The latest 400 is the same process since the AFL bubbles started. There have been a number of such additions to the club bubbles since they started. In particular once it became clear that the bubble would not be for just weeks, but many months, more immediate family chose to join their partners. In all of these those in the transition bubbles were joining in groups and were located at resorts where they had access to things like a swimming pool, or bar , or cafe. Even though the process is the same, it seems that only this weeks pics of what has always occurred has drawn outrage.

A NZ Rugby Team in the NRL was the first to do it when they arrived in Australia. One of the issues then was the hardship of players having to leave often very young families for extended periods as it that exercise no family was allowed. So in later bubbles such as with AFL players were given the option of including families in the bubbles.

People seem offended that players and other club staff who cannot return home for many months want to have their immediate family with them. I was once in a job that I quit as it was causing me to too often be apart from my young family, and so I appreciate the anguish of such separation.

With the WA Mines their workers were given the option to bring their families into WA and no one seemed to think that was bad. Is it really so terrible for workers to want to have their family with them when they know that they will be away for many months on end? Is it really deemed better to not worry about the mental health of the worker, and their family. Or does wearing a safety vest somehow emotionally make one different from a worker wearing a football vest?

If you have no professional team sport, it also means less work in hotels, airlines, buses, food services, media, health etc etc.

Is keeping the local economy active actually one of things that we expect our governments to do? Is it really much better to have more people unemployed? Is having more people in the Centrelink queue really a better option?


PS. Maybe the 400 was too large a group. I have not seen a list to know who is in it. But I doubt "friends" are there as some have claimed. With 700 players and probably almost that many coaches, trainers, physios etc in support it would not be that hard to get a number in the hundreds in wives and kids joining their partners.

 

[jakeseven7]

While I understand that people are angry, the AFL Bubbles are not because they are celebrities, but because they are sports teams.

Cool and normal

So if a community sports team organised for exactly same format they would be approved?

I don't think so, they wouldn't have big enough clout to get the QLD premier reelected unfortunately so NO EXEMPTION FOR YOU!

 

[SydneySwan]

Cool and normal

So if a community sports team organised for exactly same format they would be approved? I don't think so, they wouldn't have big enough clout to get the QLD premier reelected unfortunately so NO EXEMPTION FOR YOU!

And this is the crux of everyone's anger.

 

[Seat0B]

@lovetravellingoz , I note all your points, and I realise that we will probably never agree on this particular issue.

I don't really want the footy players banned, as I understand the comments you make about professional sport and contribution to the economy. What I want is same or even similar courtesy extended to others who love their families just as much, have money to spend to support the economy etc etc etc and just blanket denied even the "standard" process let alone the "different one" that is apparently only for a privileged few with clout. That's all.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Really, it is about the priorities on display when lung transplant recipients and other high needs medical have such a palaver to go through, let alone people wanting to see their elderly relatives before they die.

I can accept that it does not have to be a case of either/or, but could in fact allow both footy and humane activity, but that is NOT how it is playing out.

Yes two wrongs do not make a right. But I just cannot support a line of argument that just because one thing is done badly, that other things should also be done badly too. Should not the logic and action be on how do we make all things work better?

The whole state border issues have been handled appallingly by the various governments involved. The better way forward for me is to concentrate of solutions that work for various groups, and to then enact them. Logic should be followed.

The new Vic/ SA border bubble and Vic /NSW border bubble took way too long to happen. The Qld/NSW border issue drags on. The border bubbles were always a relatively easy issue to fix and it boggles my mind that border bubbles were not created long ago.

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@lovetravellingoz , I note all your points, and I realise that we will probably never agree on this particular issue.

I don't really want the footy players banned, as I understand the comments you make about professional sport and contribution to the economy. What I want is same or even similar courtesy extended to others who love their families just as much, have money to spend to support the economy etc etc etc and just blanket denied even the "standard" process let alone the "different one" that is apparently only for a privileged few with clout. That's all.

On that I 100% agree.

 

[Seat0B]

Cool and normal

So if a community sports team organised for exactly same format they would be approved? I don't think so, they wouldn't have big enough clout to get the QLD premier reelected unfortunately so NO EXEMPTION FOR YOU!

And this is the crux of everyone's anger.

Snap @jakeseven7 and @SydneySwan!

 

[Pushka]

Yes two wrongs do not make a right. But I just cannot support a line of argument that just because one thing is done badly, that other things should also be done badly too.

Well, in this particular case, some might argue that two "wrongs" makes for consistency of decision making free from any political or financial gain. And fairness to all.

 

[jase05]

And right on cue
Hopefully banned for the year and severe fines

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Clearly we need to see if the reporting is accurate and see if gentleman’s clubs are in the bubble

 

[p--and--t]

And right on cue
Hopefully banned for the year and severe fines

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No surprise shock or horror from me. Ongoing pattern of "up yours" behaviour repeated over and over for decades. Part of the boys club culture

I'm waiting for Anna to organise a presser to say the strip club is deemed to be in the bubble environment.

 

[jakeseven7]

No surprise shock or horror from me. Ongoing pattern of "up yours" behaviour repeated over and over for decades. Part of the boys club culture

I'm waiting for Anna to organise a presser to say the strip club is deemed to be in the bubble environment.

I'm sure Dr Young approved the strip clubs covid safe plan as a priority don't stress.

 

[p--and--t]

I'm sure Dr Young approved the strip clubs covid safe plan as a priority don't stress.

What should be happening is the entire team and dropped from the competition and the whole entourage deported. Nobody can convince me other team members or entourage weren't aware that some of their group weren't at the official lodgings.

Instead the spin doctors, apologists and commentators will be coming out with "oh, they are just young", "just letting off a bit of steam", "they have such a tough life" - meanwhile a couple hundred thousand youths in Melbourne will be saying, well if they can do it and its acceptable and people make excuses for them, then why should I take any notice of any covid restrictions.

 

[SydneySwan]

I'm waiting for Anna to organise a presser to say the strip club is deemed to be in the bubble environment.

I thought that for the AFL in Queensland the bubble is wherever you happen to be at the time!

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I'm sure Dr Young approved the strip clubs covid safe plan as a priority don't stress.

Apparently as long as the strippers didn't remove their face masks then everything is fine.