Asiana 777 hull loss at SFO

[Skyring]

More info about the flight here:
NTSB: Asiana jet pilot was halfway through training to fly Boeing 777 - CNN.com

Of note, it was the instructor pilot's first flight as such.

That's the sort of factual, restrained, useful coverage that should be a model to all. Instead we get early reports implying the thing was flown by a student pilot.

I'm wondering why there were two cabin crew members unrestrained in the rear galley.

 

[oz_mark]

That's the sort of factual, restrained, useful coverage that should be a model to all. Instead we get early reports implying the thing was flown by a student pilot.

I'm wondering why there were two cabin crew members unrestrained in the rear galley.

I've not read anywhere they were unrestrained?

 

[markis10]

I've not read anywhere they were unrestrained?

I suppose that depends on what "not in their seats" means! Does the Asiana 777 crew rest area feature in the tail?

 

[oz_mark]

I suppose that depends on what "not in their seats" means! Does the Asiana 777 crew rest area feature in the tail?

Not in their seats when it came to a halt. Says nothing about what happened before the crash. Do their seats even still exist given yhe impact?

 

[Fruitcake]

The trip across the Pacific was the first time he had been an instructor pilot and the first time he'd traveled with the flying pilot...

(emphasis mine)

CNN should be pointing out that having pilots who don't know each other flying together is a positive, not a negative. Familiarity breeds complacency, and that's why airlines don't roster crews as a unit.

 

[matty744]

Not in their seats when it came to a halt. Says nothing about what happened before the crash. Do their seats even still exist given yhe impact?

Their seats exist, just not in the aircraft after initial impact. Very lucky to survive.

Source: AV Herald

Six of twelve flight attendants are still in hospital care and were not interviewed so far. The flight attendants at doors 1R and 2L were pinned by evacuation slides deploying into the cabin. 3 of four flight attendants at the rear doors were ejected from the aircraft together with their seats. None of the passenger seats were ejected from the aircraft.​

 

[oz_mark]

Their seats exist, just not in the aircraft after initial impact. Very lucky to survive.

Source: AV Herald

Six of twelve flight attendants are still in hospital care and were not interviewed so far. The flight attendants at doors 1R and 2L were pinned by evacuation slides deploying into the cabin. 3 of four flight attendants at the rear doors were ejected from the aircraft together with their seats. None of the passenger seats were ejected from the aircraft.​

Thanks for that. So they were ejected together with their seats. Doesn't support the claim they were unrestrained.

 

[markis10]

A few questions being raised by the ATSB re why it took 90 seconds for the evac to start, re the earlier question on slides one side, apart from the inoperative/faulty ones there were some not opened due to,fire outside.

 

[codash1099]

A few questions being raised by the ATSB re why it took 90 seconds for the evac to start, re the earlier question on slides one side, apart from the inoperative/faulty ones there were some not opened due to,fire outside.

CNN report that the pilot specifically ordered FAs not to evacuate the aircraft and to remain in their seats. Evacuation was not started until fire was seen.

Asiana crew evacuated plane seeing fire outside - CNN.com

 

[markis10]

CNN report that the pilot specifically ordered FAs not to evacuate the aircraft and to remain in their seats. Evacuation was not started until fire was seen.

Asiana crew evacuated plane seeing fire outside - CNN.com

There was quite a bit of discussion between 1l and the coughpit re evac with the inference the pilots wanted to get approval from the tower, this is born out by the tapes, and the language used bt the ATSB is interesting:

@AirlineReporter: From @NTSB: plane like this should be evacuated with-in 90 seconds, but the doors were not even opened for 90s #Asiana214

 

[Skyring]

Thanks for that. So they were ejected together with their seats. Doesn't support the claim they were unrestrained.

Fair enough. My reading of Two other flight attendants were not in their seats at the rear of the aircraft when the plane finally ground to a halt, because they were ejected as the aircraft broke up. was incorrect, it seems.

 

[Ansett]

Unstable Approach: Asiana 214's Last Five Miles

I found this article on the incident to be interesting reading

 

[Melburnian1]

A third person, a child, has now died from the Asiana Airlines crash at SFO:

Third Asiana jet crash victim dies

 

[cirqueboy]

This is unbelievable:

http://gawker.com/ktvu-reports-asia..._source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

NTSB Response:

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130712.html

[h=3]NTSB statement on erroneous confirmation of crew names[/h][h=4]July 12[/h]The National Transportation Safety Board apologizes for inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed as those of the pilots of Asiana flight 214, which crashed at San Francisco International Airport on July 6.
Earlier today, in response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft.
The NTSB does not release or confirm the names of crewmembers or people involved in transportation accidents to the media. We work hard to ensure that only appropriate factual information regarding an investigation is released and deeply regret today's incident.
Appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such a serious error is not repeated.
Office of Public Affairs
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(202) 314-6100
Kelly Nantel
[email protected]

 

[Aussie_flyer]

This is unbelievable:

KTVU Reports Asiana Air Pilots Were

NTSB Response:

Press Release July 12, 2013

NTSB statement on erroneous confirmation of crew names

July 12

The National Transportation Safety Board apologizes for inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed as those of the pilots of Asiana flight 214, which crashed at San Francisco International Airport on July 6.
Earlier today, in response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft.
The NTSB does not release or confirm the names of crewmembers or people involved in transportation accidents to the media. We work hard to ensure that only appropriate factual information regarding an investigation is released and deeply regret today's incident.
Appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such a serious error is not repeated.
Office of Public Affairs
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(202) 314-6100
Kelly Nantel
[email protected]

It's utterly absurd that these obviously fake names were broadcast on TV. Heads should roll

 

[Ansett]

Couldnt agree more. It is highly disrespectful to be making jokes around the death of 3 people and such a major accident.

 

[erkpod]

I can't believe that made it to air! I think what made it worse was the graphic that they put on the screen at the time - if that graphic wasn't there, it would not have been so obvious.

 

[Melburnian1]

This report suggests that there are at least a couple of other passengers who remain in a critical condition:

Third person dies in Asiana air crash: San Francisco hospital | Reuters

In one sense it is unsurprising that these reports do not indicate the exact number who remain in hospital (including those with less severe injuries than 'critical condition'), because it is unlikely that one hospital would be able to deal with so many concurrent patients: the number of avauilable beds, surgeons or doctors plus relevant skillsets would be some of the reasons for this.

Let's hope no more die. It's a good thing to offer a Mass intention for.

 

[pythonisman]

In one sense it is unsurprising that these reports do not indicate the exact number who remain in hospital (including those with less severe injuries than 'critical condition')

The article you linked to seemed to do just that?

San Francisco General, which originally received 67 patients, still has six, including two in critical condition. Their injuries include spinal cord injuries, traumatic brain injuries, abdominal injuries, internal bleeding, road rash and fractures, the hospital said.
Stanford still has one patient, who is in serious condition, according to a spokesman. It treated 55 patients from the crash.
A handful of patients remain at other area hospitals, including one at St. Francis and one at St. Mary's.

 

[Foreigner]

This is unbelievable:

http://gawker.com/ktvu-reports-asia..._source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

NTSB Response:

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130712.html

[h=3]NTSB statement on erroneous confirmation of crew names[/h][h=4]July 12[/h]The National Transportation Safety Board apologizes for inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly confirmed as those of the pilots of Asiana flight 214, which crashed at San Francisco International Airport on July 6.
Earlier today, in response to an inquiry from a media outlet, a summer intern acted outside the scope of his authority when he erroneously confirmed the names of the flight crew on the aircraft.
The NTSB does not release or confirm the names of crewmembers or people involved in transportation accidents to the media. We work hard to ensure that only appropriate factual information regarding an investigation is released and deeply regret today's incident.
Appropriate actions will be taken to ensure that such a serious error is not repeated.
Office of Public Affairs
490 L'Enfant Plaza, SW
Washington, DC 20594
(202) 314-6100
Kelly Nantel
[email protected]

The intern seems to have taken lightly the serious side of the crash and fatality, three so far...

The names, pronounced in order by Anchor Tori Campbell of KTVU, consisted of "Captain Sum Ting Wong," "Wi Tu Lo," "Ho Lee cough," and "Bang Ding Ow."