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It's not quite black and white, but up to about 30 knots, I'd generally take the crosswind. Mostly when it's that windy, it's also gusty, so the headwind is unlikely to be constant, and could well have a fair bit of shear.
JB, thanks for all the info you dish out. You must think we FF'er do nothing but think up enough questions to keep you fully occupied between shifts. But it's all interesting (tho lots of it above my head).
So is it easier to handle the plane in a headwind, tail wind or crosswind. Which is preferable for take off and which for landing - or no difference? Also in the discussion about fuel loads, what's the minimum fuel load you would land with say after MEL_LAX? Mr Julesmac goes off his brain if I let my petrol get to the "lights on" stage because of the cough in the bottom of the tank. Is that an issue? And when you read of planes having to dump fuel before an emergency landing, what if it's urgent you get down quickly as opposed to having time to burn fuel?
 
So is it easier to handle the plane in a headwind, tail wind or crosswind. Which is preferable for take off and which for landing - or no difference?
When an aircraft is sitting on the ground, with a headwind, that's airspeed that it already has. It doesn't need to be accelerated to the same degree to reach lift off speed, so a headwind will make the takeoff roll shorter. A tail wind has the opposite effect.

Landing, a headwind reduces the ground speed, and so means the aircraft has less energy (relative to the ground) to get rid of, so less heat in brakes, and shorter landing roll. Landing, the tailwind adds to the groundspeed, and means we'll need more runway.

The manufacturers place limits on the acceptable wind, and tail winds generally cannot be accepted above 15 knots, and may be restrictive above 10.

Crosswinds. During take off they try to push you off the runway, so you'll sometimes need quite large control inputs to keep the aircraft straight. Those inputs will generate drag, and will reduce the takeoff performance, though not dramatically. At rotate you need to be very careful, as you lose the control that having some wheels on the ground gives. Generally, though, not a big deal.

Landing is a bit different. You will have seen the aircraft tracking towards a runway, appearing to 'crab' sideways. That's not quite what they are doing. We turn into the wind, to that the resulting drift gives us a track down the runway. Every time there is the slightest change in the wind, we have to turn to both fix the effect that the change will have had (i.e. it will always have moved us in one direction or the other before we can correct for the change), plus we have to then reestablish that correct track. At the crosswind limit, that drift will be in the order 15º.

At the bottom of the approach, we have to flare the aircraft. Once you've completed that, you need to use rudder to align the aircraft with the runway. That rudder input has to be done smoothly, as a secondary effect of any rudder input is roll, and you don't want any roll near the ground, and in particular, you don't want any towards the downwind side (and that's the effect that the straightening rudder will have). Of course, as soon as you even start to straighten the aircraft up, you're cancelling out your wind correction, and the wind will start to take you towards the downwind side of the runway. In smaller aircraft, that can corrected by a little bank in the opposite direction, but it's not really an option on the big quads, as engine clearance will become an issue (i.e. an engine scrape). On the Boeings, you can actually land with all of the drift still intact, and whilst a tad uncomfortable at the back of the aircraft, it is a very viable technique. AB are limited to 5º of drift at touchdown.

Even once down, the wind is still trying to push you to the side of the runway, so you may have to use quite large and abrupt control inputs to ensure the aircraft stays where you want it.

Geometry comes into play here too. These aircraft are very large, you have to allow for the fact that the gear will be appreciably on the downwind side from the coughpit. If the pilot places himself on the centreline, as you would normally, and you have 15º of drift, the main gear will be displaced about 25 feet to the side for every 100 feet of coughpit/main gear separation. To alleviate that, you need to move yourself upwind by an equivalent amount, to ensure the gear stays near the centreline.

And all of this becomes much more interesting in the wet....

Anyway, headwind is generally best. Light tailwinds aren't an issue, but they become limiting very quickly, and crosswinds can be very hard work.

Also in the discussion about fuel loads, what's the minimum fuel load you would land with say after MEL_LAX? Mr Julesmac goes off his brain if I let my petrol get to the "lights on" stage because of the cough in the bottom of the tank. Is that an issue?

The final fuel that we land with is affected by many factors, some of which apply to earlier phases of the flight and become irrelevant at the end. LA is a case in point, as the aircraft generally have extra fuel loaded to cover the depressurisation 'contingency', and as that will almost always still be intact, it has the effect of increasing the arrival fuel.

In percentage terms though, the cars that I've owned mostly have the low fuel light come on with about 10-15% fuel remaining. The A380 has fuel capacity of roughly 250 tonnes, and most landings would occur with about 12 tonnes remaining....about 5%. The absolute lowest that we could legally land with would be in the order of half that, so about 2.5%. Most of the fuel tanks are run dry during the flight...so I guess Mr Julesmac would be having a heart attack.

And when you read of planes having to dump fuel before an emergency landing, what if it's urgent you get down quickly as opposed to having time to burn fuel?

All aircraft have a series of limits laid down by the maker. For the A380, it has a maximum take off weight of 569 tonnes, and a maximum landing weight of 391 tonnes. It burns fuel at an average of about 13 tonnes an hour, so, if burning was the only way of getting rid of the weight, you'd be committed to a 13+ hour flight, just to reach landing weight (assuming you took off at the max, as we did yesterday, on the way to Dubai). Dumping the fuel that you can dump (not all if it can be in the AB, though the Boeings can) will take about an hour. You can land at weights above the max, but the sink rate becomes very critical..it must be smooth. Landing at a lower weight will reduce the approach speeds, so you'll have a lot less energy to dissipate after touchdown, and runway length will be less of an issue...plus the tyres are more likely to remain intact.

If you are in a desperate hurry to land, then you'll just do so, and not worry about any limits. The condition of the aircraft afterwards will not be a consideration. But, the vast majority of aircraft incidents are best handled by hastening slowly. Working methodically through what needs to be done is much more likely to give a happy outcome than rushing into any particular solution.
 
Is there a big variation in pay scales between the different airlines? Eg. Ryanair vs Singapore airlines? I understand living allowances would also come into play if you were working for an airline like Emirates/Qatar.
 
Is there a big variation in pay scales between the different airlines? Eg. Ryanair vs Singapore airlines? I understand living allowances would also come into play if you were working for an airline like Emirates/Qatar.

I don't know what other airlines pay. You'd have to consider all sorts of things, like relative taxation levels, and currency movements. Certainly there are many that treat their pilots as commodities, and some, where very silly young men pay them, and not the other way around. I expect you can work out which are likely to belong to that category.
 
JB, just wondering if it was our aircraft but are all a380s as noisy as the one I was in DXB to LHR? We had the pleasure of sitting smack in the centre of the wing. Trying to sleep and these vibrations or harmonics kept coming and going. Felt like I was riding a Harley at one point...
 
All aircraft have a series of limits laid down by the maker. For the A380, it has a maximum take off weight of 569 tonnes, and a maximum landing weight of 391 tonnes. It burns fuel at an average of about 13 tonnes an hour, so, if burning was the only way of getting rid of the weight, you'd be committed to a 13+ hour flight, just to reach landing weight (assuming you took off at the max, as we did yesterday, on the way to Dubai). Dumping the fuel that you can dump (not all if it can be in the AB, though the Boeings can) will take about an hour. You can land at weights above the max, but the sink rate becomes very critical..it must be smooth. Landing at a lower weight will reduce the approach speeds, so you'll have a lot less energy to dissipate after touchdown, and runway length will be less of an issue...plus the tyres are more likely to remain intact.

You wrote about your trip to Dubai. Just wondering if it was your first and if there is anything unique about this airport for pilots?

In addition, does sand blowing around in places such as Dubai, Cairo etc affect aircraft in terms of engine ingestion and making runways more slippery?
 
JB, just wondering if it was our aircraft but are all a380s as noisy as the one I was in DXB to LHR? We had the pleasure of sitting smack in the centre of the wing. Trying to sleep and these vibrations or harmonics kept coming and going. Felt like I was riding a Harley at one point...

As a general rule, the A380s are pretty quiet compared to other aircraft, though they certainly have their own unique sounds at times. Wasn't you snoring was it?
 
You wrote about your trip to Dubai. Just wondering if it was your first and if there is anything unique about this airport for pilots?

In addition, does sand blowing around in places such as Dubai, Cairo etc affect aircraft in terms of engine ingestion and making runways more slippery?

It was my first trip here. The FO had operated out once (after paxing in), and neither of the SOs had been here before. The company provides quite extensive briefing material, and most places around the world are 'standard' enough not to cause issues.

I don't think sand makes the runways slippery, but ingesting it into engines and air conditioning, etc, is a bad idea. There are maintenance procedures to be followed in the event that we encounter more than small amounts. Emirates don't seem to have a problem, so I don't expect that we will.
 
Very interesting response on headwind/tailwinds.

Recently took off in Sydney (as a pax) on the 3rd runway heading out to sea (so 16L I believe)
Somewhat surprisingly saw a jet coming into land the opposite way on the main north runway (so 34L).

I presume this would have been because the winds were lights and they prefer to have aircraft land/depart over Botany Bay where possible.

Is this a regular occurence in parallel runway configs.
 
Must say I enjoyed reading jb747 answers and commentary posted today.
Given the opportunity the idea of hastening slowly is a concept that I really appreciate that Qantas pilots have in their training.
 
Very interesting response on headwind/tailwinds.

Recently took off in Sydney (as a pax) on the 3rd runway heading out to sea (so 16L I believe)
Somewhat surprisingly saw a jet coming into land the opposite way on the main north runway (so 34L).

I presume this would have been because the winds were lights and they prefer to have aircraft land/depart over Botany Bay where possible.

Is this a regular occurence in parallel runway configs.


It has nothing to do with what it is operationally desirable, and is all about politics.
 
As a general rule, the A380s are pretty quiet compared to other aircraft, though they certainly have their own unique sounds at times. Wasn't you snoring was it?
Snoring implies sleeping. Ergo, no. I work shift work but this trip really zapped me. Couldn't sleep for anything since leaving MEL.

Thought DXB was a bit creepy. Certainly the missus didn't feel comfortable.

Did you notice a compound or dwelling, stuck out in the middle of nowhere with what appeared to be the only grass in the entire UAE, on the final approach into DXB?
 
JB, LAX this morning was operating on the 06 & 07 runways with 15 knots tail. I have never seen them use it, especially with downwind. Have you ever used it? Any idea why they would use it with 15 kts downwind (judging off the full windsock)?
 
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JB

Regarding fuel dump, does it always have to be on the water ?

What if (I'm not sure if it is a reality) water is not available, what would you do then to get rid of the excess fuel ?

I guess you could always go looking for a body of water. Is that true or always possible ?

Thanks for your time / knowledge.
 
Westerly 13 gusting 18 at 1pm (we landed about 12.30). When i saw the sock it was all down the runway as downwind.

That makes more sense, you said "this morning" which I took to be local where the winds were lucky to get to 10mph.
 

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