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PER-SIN A330, l was in front row on Y and was asked to moved just after take off for a father and his new born, as they required as bassinet. No problem. Got a few glasses of vino from J. I moved about 10 rows back. Why he didn't arrive to the airport earlier or call QF prior to the flight and request a bassinet seat, as any parent with half a brain would do, l have no idea?

As JohnK pointed out, why should people move for families that can't organize themselves? I have refused to move at times, bugger them.
 
Re: Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board

Sorry if this has been covered before.
Why do people who have been allocated seats apart and want to sit together always want to move forward in the cabin? :D

Because that would require them inconvenience by having to move back. :mad: I'm always amazed how people moan if they are not seated together on short flights (1hr or less). It's a short flight, I'm reasonably certain you have spent 1hr without each others company before.

I think the basic rule should be, the person giving up the seat should get something in return for it. And I don't mean a coughpy seat in an inconvenient location. ;) If you want to sit together, then book your tickets together and check-in together. It amazes me how people react as if sitting side by side is a T&C of their ticket and when that doesn't happen (usually owing to their own fault) complain as if something is seriously amiss!
 
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Re: Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board

Of course you actually have no idea why those parents hadn't selected the bassinet seats, and whether it was just a "lack of foresight" or not. Nor do you know whetheer they needed to be on that particular flight. All sorts of circumstances happen in people's lives - family emergencies, a sick parent, etc etc etc that might mean people need to fly at the last minute.

It was pretty clear that this had been a nice little holiday for the couple with the baby. It was coughet after all, they were partying on the flight (quietly, but still partying on the plane), examining their souvenirs and purchases from their trip. Not at all likely it was a family emergency. We could play "what if" until the cows came home.

But if you select a bassinet position, I think you can reasonably be expected to move if someone is travelling with a child who has not got a seat booked. That's what those seats are for. .

Then Jetstar should block them out if "that's what those seats are for" - I certainly should not "be expected" to do anything. I've travelled starclass several times and this is the first time that I've seen the bassinet used. According to your reasoning those seats should have remained vacant on those other flights because "that's what those seats are for".

I don't have kids, and I'd be sad to lose the leg room if I'd snagged a bulkhead, but I'd move in that situation.

Good for you, you'll clearly get the bulkhead seat when you get to heaven, and I'll clearly get a middle way down the back with the other evil sinners who eat babies for breakfast.

The couple got the seats in the end, they just didn't get them from me. They seemed very pleasant, the baby was exceptionally quiet and I'm glad they got the bassinet seat. I hope too that next time they fly with an infant they do their research and don't risk having to carry the baby on their laps (even though that wouldn't have been too much of a hardship - tiny baby, wide seats and all)
 
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Thanks for that. So I take it that your implication is that all parents are self-entitled cheapskates? Do you wish to extend that to those who are actually in the premium cabin too? :rolleyes:

No that's not my implication. It was a tongue in cheek illustration of how some people carry around an outrageous sense of entitlement, as quite obviously the person who made those remarks did. And I have to say I wrote that because your remarks about 'what do you consider reasonable then' struck me as being a tad confrontational and judgmental of the poster they were directed to.

The reality is that every passenger onboard a flight has a set of needs that they see as equally if not more important than everyone else.
 
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Several years ago (pre olci) my sister and I were flying home from FRA and arrived at the check in to be informed that we could not be sat together. We weren't late and were on the same booking but according to the QF CSA it was all too hard as she was flying to PER from SIN and I was going to SYD. Ironically it had not been to hard for the BA CSA to sort it out on the way there when we were checking in from different airports :confused:. The solution proposed to us was that he would sit us near to each other and then we could try to swap on board but when we got to our seats we discovered he had put us both in middle seats needless to say we didn't bother asking anyone to swap as we were pretty sure of what the answer would be.

Last year on a trip to the US neither of us were prepared to compromise on a middle seat so we ended up selecting a window and an aisle in one of the blocks of 3 on the A380. When we boarded the girl seated between us looked at us hopefully and offered to swap the reply was "Sorry but we did this on purpose". Actually when I selected the seats I wasn't sure if it was poor plane ettiquite as although we mostly watched movies or slept we did occasionally talk over her.

Other than that the only seat swapping incidents I can remember just involve oops wrong seat. Although I have seen several incidents of apologetic FA's saying "we would move you but sorry the plane is completely full" to people seated next to (or behind) very obnoxious people who were being disruptive or difficult.
 
Re: Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board

e.

Actually when I selected the seats I wasn't sure if it was poor plane ettiquite as although we mostly watched movies or slept we did occasionally talk over her.

Hmm, not just bad plane manners but just bad manners to talk over the top or across people is what my parents taught me.

Matt
 
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To be fair we talked to her just as much. She was a similar age and also off on a holiday to the states (just meeting her friends there) so we had plenty in common to chat about but I suppose this could have just as easily not been the case.

Talking over people is going to unavoidable in the cramped space of an airplane when families or friends get split up involuntarily even if its only a few quick questions about about arrangements after landing etc.
 
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Why he didn't arrive to the airport earlier or call QF prior to the flight and request a bassinet seat, as any parent with half a brain would do, l have no idea?
Because everyone is going to go out of their way to help him.

I don't pre-allocate bassinet seats. I do pre-allocate bulkhead and exit rows.

Last year on a trip to the US neither of us were prepared to compromise on a middle seat so we ended up selecting a window and an aisle in one of the blocks of 3 on the A380. When we boarded the girl seated between us looked at us hopefully and offered to swap the reply was "Sorry but we did this on purpose". Actually when I selected the seats I wasn't sure if it was poor plane ettiquite as although we mostly watched movies or slept we did occasionally talk over her.
Wow! Want the cake and eat it too? The girl offered to swap and you continued to talk over her.
 
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Wow harsh! We did not have any extensive conversations over the top of her I do realize how rude that is. It was no more than the odd question here and there eg. Can I borrow your pen? What movie are you watching? What time do you think we'll get to hotel? couple of minutes tops out of a 14hr flight. As mentioned above she was mostly included in the conversation when one was happening anyway and if she had given us any indication we were upsetting her we would have stopped immediately. The last thing I would have wanted to do was pick a fight with her. If the person between us had of been genuinely upset by the situation we would have swapped unlike it appears many previous posters. She just looked us said want to swap when we said no thanks she shrugged. If she had of said you know what I am not comfortable sitting between you we would have swapped. When we selected the seats we were hoping the plane wasn't completely full so we might get a spare between us it was in fact totally full so seat got filled that's the luck of draw and we were prepared to accept the consequences.
 
Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board.

Time for everyone to take a breath....

I'm with both of you on this.

John-I don't think these girls are opposing your argument.

Also, for the record, as a Queenslander, I'm with you on the levy comments, but I don't want to get off topic.

I think this is an interesting thread, and I think most people agree.

There are some legitimate reasons to give up pre-allocated seats.
But at the same time - pax who simply would like more legroom should take the time / make the effort / earn the status, to do so.
And on the whole - it seems that cabin crew handle these situations well.

Of course in the real world - there will always be room for improvement and there's no pleasing everybody :)
 
Re: Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board

Perhaps my comment was a little harsh but how do you put it nicely?

Anyway none of my business and I am over it.

The majority of the time we get to keep our pre-allocated seats but occasionally things go pear shape. What is the best way to handle the situation? Give in or stand your ground? I guess it will depend on the circumstances but my preference is to stand my ground.

If that makes me 'precious' or a 'creep' then so be it. At least I am not lazy and sneaky trying to 'steal' someone else's pre-allocated seat. Or should we say nice things about these type of people as well?
 
Re: Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board

I don't see how this is all so complicated. And when and whose idea was it to have the vitriol introduced into the thread? I think some people also have to try and contend with the idea that not every unfortunate or negative situation necessitates that at least one person is at fault. It also means that one doesn't have to be at fault to oblige - in this case, we do it because we are human beings.


For what it's worth, I think I agree with most people here in that the decision to move is based on two main facets:
  • A human / moral element, i.e. why the move, do you need to move, why should I move or an incomplete combination of those and others
  • A comfort / needs or wants element, i.e. why I chose this seat, why I don't want to sit in their seat

For me, I find it hard not to be accommodating to someone with a genuine need, and sometimes that does extend to parents with an infant. I've only had one case so far of being swapped out due to this (see later in this post), but sometimes if I really don't mind even if the seat I get is worse than my seat I will oblige to swap. Yes, it is not my fault that they didn't get themselves "organised" (if you will). (And maybe it isn't their fault either - as someone said, we often assume plainly that the person who is inconveniencing is always at fault and we have a canned reason for it.) But I choose to move anyway at times. Why do I do it "anyway"? Does that make me an idiot or a sucker?

I probably wouldn't swap seats if I'm in a good seat to just to accommodate a family of four to sit together. Having grown up and flown as a young lad in a family of four, there were times when it was either 3 of us (mum/dad plus us 2 kids) sitting together with the 1 in another spot, or we were split 2 and 2. Even a family of 3 I may not move. Family of 5 or more - forget it, unless it meant all the ankle biters (no parents) were sitting next to me and they were unruly (in which case I'll probably swap to get away from the noisy little ankle biters, 'cos I ain't gonna lose my patience and yell at them myself).

My "line" on swapping seats is that I won't swap into a middle seat, but there has been an exception, and probably can be others. Also, I see seat poaching as just plain wrong. Request for a seat swap, if you absolutely must after careful consideration and with a degree of courtesy. But don't just poach my seat and then use that as the seed to start negotiations (those who made a genuine mistake of misreading their BP and/or row number are excepted).

So here are my cases:
  • US red-eye flight. A320 Y class. My seat is 5A (pretty lucky - these seats sometimes are "good choice" seats which are levied with a fee); mother and daughter (teenager) board with mother in 5B and daughter in 5F. Mother asks me to swap into 5F - no problem.
    But that's pretty easy - probably all of you would have done that without thinking twice about it.
  • FJ to Australia. 744 J class. Travelling with another person, we are seated in row 1. Leg room is huge in this row; I could lazily slouch all the way down in my seat and still not touch the front of the cabin. After take off before the meal, FA approaches me and asks if we want to swap out of row 1 to accommodate a couple who want to use the row for the bassinet. The couple was in row 5 but on this flight row 2 was free. So after checking with my seat mate, we obliged and moved back a row. Not as much leg room in row 2, but it really didn't bother me (still plenty of it!) We could've moved back to row 5 and still be just as good (and for you nuts on boarding and disembarking early, we would've been able to disembark earlier in row 5!)
    Then again, there isn't such a thing as a bad premium seat, is there? (Well, perhaps there are...)
  • QF 3 hr domestic flight. 738 Y class. I was in an F seat somewhere behind the window exit rows and there were two gentlemen next to me - I think they were on holiday. Their mate was in 10E - yes, a middle seat - and they asked if I could swap with him. After take off, I decided to oblige with their request. They couldn't thank me enough.
    Was I stupid? I said I would never swap into a middle seat. But their offer of $50 was a little hard to pass up.

I've heard many stories from friends (both on and off the travel forums) of earnestly unreasonable requests for swaps, as well as stories of those who have to try and force a seat poacher out of their seat. In a lot of cases, sanity, common sense and bureaucracy prevails; in other cases, karma can prevail (e.g. had a few stories from friends where their seats have been poached, FAs can't convince the poacher to move, so friend is instead moved into the next best class of service, and the story often ends that the poacher ends up disgusted with the action and now feels "robbed" for some perverted reason).


Now the short answer to the OP:

Assuming no buttering up on your side of the story, then there was no reason for you to oblige to move except out of kindness. However the reasons given do not suggest that the person who wanted your seat had any great reason to ask for it.

Actually, given that the OP was fairly benign in the whole context in the first post (i.e. the post just ended with, "I said no"), I thought this thread wouldn't get so long. Now had it ended with something like, "The man gave me death stares for the rest of the flight", or "He kept kicking the back of my seat for the rest of the flight," or "He yelled that I was extremely rude and insensitive," or even a personal comment from the OP, then I could think that it would seed a whole lot more in this thread. But there you go.


I should finally add that people will always ask others to swap seats if they are seeking your seat and even if their seats are "unreasonable". Apart from some people not understanding what constitutes a more "unreasonable" seat, and the definition of a "reasonable" seat varies from person to person, you can blame this attitude on everyone in life that always offers the adage, "They can only say 'no'" (which I think is a ridiculous bit of advice).
 
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PER-SIN A330, l was in front row on Y and was asked to moved just after take off for a father and his new born, as they required as bassinet. No problem. Got a few glasses of vino from J. I moved about 10 rows back. Why he didn't arrive to the airport earlier or call QF prior to the flight and request a bassinet seat, as any parent with half a brain would do, l have no idea?

Because everyone is going to go out of their way to help him.
I don't pre-allocate bassinet seats. I do pre-allocate bulkhead and exit rows.
Which is what l did if you read my post!

The 2nd part of my post, l still stand by. Anyone traveling with an infant and requires a bassinet, should have the brains to either; call the airline an reserve an adequate seat, turn up early to snag one or try to book an exit row online/call center!
 
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The 2nd part of my post, l still stand by. Anyone traveling with an infant and requires a bassinet, should have the brains to either; call the airline an reserve an adequate seat, turn up early to snag one or try to book an exit row online/call center!

Infant. Exit Row. It does not compute.
 
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Infant. Exit Row. It does not compute.

Hmmm...good point.

If I were in an exit row I'd be weary of swapping with someone who would not be able to sit there according to the rules.

Then again, airlines (not just QF mind you!) have been known to do such stupid things, like putting frail elderly people or munchkins in an exit row.
 
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And when and whose idea was it to have the vitriol introduced into the thread?

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Was I stupid? I said I would never swap into a middle seat. But their offer of $50 was a little hard to pass up.

I don't know where the vitriol started either (not bothered to check back) but while it can be mildly entertaining - in the same way watching a train wreck can be entertaining - I think it's just not necessary.

A nice measured post anat0l, though as regards the second bit I quoted, the only amount of money that would get me to change seats is an amount that no sane person would offer me in the first place.

In fact, while I would, and have, swapped seats in certain situations, I think the second anyone offered me money to do it, the response would be a polite, but emphatic and non-negotiable no, even if I may have swapped without the money being offered. But that's just me, and anyone else is entitled to act as they see fit (I guess I may have my price, as per my previous paragraph, but I don't know what it is, and as per what I wrote, I think it would take someone insane, or at least insanely rich, to discover what it is).
 
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Which is what l did if you read my post!

The 2nd part of my post, l still stand by. Anyone traveling with an infant and requires a bassinet, should have the brains to either; call the airline an reserve an adequate seat, turn up early to snag one or try to book an exit row online/call center!

Infants or children under the age of 18 are not permitted to sit in the exit row seats.
 
Re: Requested to give up your Meticulously Researched and selected Seat when on board

I've only ever been asked once to swap seats. i was in 6F on a 737-800 and a girl in the middle as myself and the guy in 6D if either wanted to swap. the guy in the aisle said I'll check out the seat and went back.. he was back within a minute with firm no thanks - 28E was the seat on offer! I also said no thanks!
 
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Infants or children under the age of 18 are not permitted to sit in the exit row seats.
Not entirely correct. The minimum age requirement is 15 on QF
 
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Infant. Exit Row. It does not compute.

My bad on that example. I just meant the first row of Y in the center of the plane.

Infants or children under the age of 18 are not permitted to sit in the exit row seats.

Is there an age limit or is physical physique taken into the equation? I posted a few months ago that on a PER-SYD JQ Flight, the 2 older ladies in the exit row with me looked like they had no chance of lifting 5kg, let alone a emergency exit door (which l believe is heavier).
 
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