Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[N860CR]

It’s quite amazing that after 18 months of this pandemic our premiers behavior is becoming more extreme. Common sense would say that we soften our approach as time goes on (and we learn more, have vaccines, have treatments etc). The worst thing that happened to Australia was the “temporary eradication” as it lead the public to believe that was sustainable long term.

 

[jakeseven7]

How is metropolitan Sydney defined? Some people who work in the city live way beyond what I would consider metro Sydney (e.g. west of Blue Mtns).

I lived in Sydney for 8 years and my guess would be when you start hitting more trees than houses

 

[justinbrett]

Indeed they do. But everyone's interpretation is different.

I would have gone with “If you see a welcome to Sydney sign on the way in, that’s outside metro Sydney”

 

[Lynda2475]

People know what Greater Sydney is, it is officially defined as the following LGAs:



but the general restrictions also apply to Central Coast, Wollongong and Shoal Haven

 

[justinbrett]

By any definition?

Lockdowns can be any combination of non-pharmaceutical interventions, including just the one. Imposing a sanitary cordon as in this case, that selected people cannot pass through, being one such non-pharmaceutical intervention and a pretty significant one.

There is no one fixed definition, and you will see people also using terms like full lockdown, strict lockdown etc.


ie Lockdown in England where you can go to the pub and sit down and drink.
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When in Melbourne I could go to my local pub, but not leave Melbourne I certainly considered it to be a lockdown.



I would also believe that all of Australia is largely in lockdown at present from the rest of the world, apart from NZ, due to the restrictions on entry and exit.

OK, I’ll concede that anybody can have any definition for anything. Doesn’t mean you won’t mislead people but whatever.

In the Australian context there’s quite a difference between a lockdown and restrictions. Lockdowns usually mean you need a reason to leave your home.

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People know what Greater Sydney is, it is officially defined as the following LGAs:

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but the restrictions also apply to Central Coast, Blue Mountains, Wollongong and Shoal Haven

But in the context of her using Metro Sydney (for where you can’t leave if you’re in those LGAs) she said it did not include central coast, blue mountains. Wollongong and Shoal Haven.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Lockdowns usually mean you need a reason to leave your home.

By your definition.

For myself I certainly viewed the 5km, 25 km and Melbourne Metropolitan restrictions as being locked down, even when I could access pubs, cafes etc..

 

[OATEK]

OK, I’ll concede that anybody can have any definition for anything. Doesn’t mean you won’t mislead people but whatever.

In the Australian context there’s quite a difference between a lockdown and restrictions. Lockdowns usually mean you need a reason to leave your home.

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But in the context of her using Metro Sydney (for where you can’t leave if you’re in those LGAs) she said it did not include central coast, blue mountains. Wollongong and Shoal Haven.

By your definition.

For myself I certainly viewed the 5km, 25 km and Melbourne Metropolitan restrictions as being locked down, even when I could access pubs, cafes etc..

The NSW premier said today she is not locking down Greater Sydney or NSW, so I am happy with the definition that flows from that. The Premier talked about travel restrictions for people who live or work in certain LGAs, so for example I live in Greater Sydney but not in a designated LGA so I am free to travel outside of Sydney. But if I go to my great niece's Birthday party in the Sydney LGA on Saturday I would then be required to remain within the Greater Sydney area, a lot of which would still be 1-2 hrs drive from my home.

 

[justinbrett]

By your definition.

For myself I certainly viewed the 5km, 25 km and Melbourne Metropolitan restrictions as being locked down, even when I could access pubs, cafes etc..

Me and most others (including most if not all of the media).

Melbourne lockdown to lift on Friday as businesses push for 'snapback'

Melbourne will take its first small steps out of lockdown on Friday, as the Victorian government resists calls from business for a "snapback" to an open economy sooner.

www.abc.net.au

Exception being most leaders don’t use lockdown at all as it’s bad PR (VIC usually call it the 4/5 reasons)

 

[Lynda2475]

But in the context of her using Metro Sydney (for where you can’t leave if you’re in those LGAs) she said it did not include central coast, blue mountains. Wollongong and Shoal Haven.

I was talking about the general restrictions - mask wearing, number of guests in home, venue caps - these apply to all of Greater Sydney, Blue Mountain, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shoal Haven.

Then on top of those there are movement restrictions for those that live, work in or visit 7 LGAs (but strangley enough not Liverpool which accounts for 10 of todays cases).

The official rules are here:

New COVID-19 restrictions for Greater Sydney

To protect the people of NSW from the evolving COVID-19 outbreak, new restrictions will be introduced for Greater Sydney from 4pm today for one week.

www.nsw.gov.au

 

[dajop]

Exception being most leaders don’t use lockdown at all as it’s bad PR (VIC usually call it the 4/5 reasons)

Also bad for mental health.

Personal anecdote .after reading the doom and gloom in the Age, ABC, SkyNews and others about the latest Victorian lockdown, I was feeling a bit down for all my family and friends in Victoria. OMG the dramas that were being portrayed daily in the media!

Then I reflected, hang on, what they're facing there in Victoria, was not all that much different to what we're dealing with here in Singapore, and our restrictions go on for much longer. The difference? No media telling us how dire everything is.

 

[jakeseven7]

Brad Hazzard urges people to remember to check in with QR codes​

NSW Health minister Brad Hazzard says QR check-ins will become mandatory for all retail venues as well as hospitality.

He said he has noticed an 'apathy' towards using QR codes to check in at venues in Sydney.

There was a massive issue with the restaurant in Mascot, basically no one has checked in so NSW Health called this morning in the press conference directly for anyone who dined there on the date in question to call the contact tracers ASAP.... hmmm.

Complacency is everywhere regardless of what state you are in.

 

[oz_mark]

Me and most others (including most if not all of the media).

Melbourne lockdown to lift on Friday as businesses push for 'snapback'

Melbourne will take its first small steps out of lockdown on Friday, as the Victorian government resists calls from business for a "snapback" to an open economy sooner.

www.abc.net.au

Exception being most leaders don’t use lockdown at all as it’s bad PR (VIC usually call it the 4/5 reasons)

I actually think the word 'lockdown' has been well overused, applying to things that aren't really lockdowns.

 

[RooFlyer]

I know this is going to go on and on and on forever, with nit-picking on the dictionary definition of every word,

Just call me Nostradamus

 

[bcworld]

There was a massive issue with the restaurant in Mascot, basically no one has checked in so NSW Health called this morning in the press conference directly for anyone who dined there on the date in question to call the contact tracers ASAP.... hmmm.

Complacency is everywhere regardless of what state you are in.

Yeah I heard the CHO asking those people to phone the contact tracing team. I thought, that's odd...because we've been assured there is 110% compliance...particularly at hospitality venues and no one can order without confirming check in.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Me and most others (including most if not all of the media).

Melbourne lockdown to lift on Friday as businesses push for 'snapback'

Melbourne will take its first small steps out of lockdown on Friday, as the Victorian government resists calls from business for a "snapback" to an open economy sooner.

www.abc.net.au

Exception being most leaders don’t use lockdown at all as it’s bad PR (VIC usually call it the 4/5 reasons)

Well I did say that they did not use the L-word. And yes it mainly is used by the media and the public but in different ways.





Though Gladys (a leader) did so during the Avalon Lockdowns, and specifically to highlight that it was still a lockdown even though people were allowed to visit each other in their homes, but could not leave their area. So not strict stay at home.

"If you're a resident of the northern part of the northern beaches … you cannot leave your area. You are still in lockdown," she said.​

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"You can't accept anybody [from] outside your community and I apologise for that but we have to maintain a lockdown in that area — with one exception.​

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"On the 24th, 25th and 26th, you're allowed to have five people into your home, but they must be people from within that region.​

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"If, you know, you have a neighbour and all their relatives live outside that area, please consider being a good neighbour and perhaps spending that time with them."​

People in the southern area will be allowed to have 10 people over to their homes plus an uncapped number of children aged under 12 between December 24-26, but will not be allowed to leave the area themselves.​

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"We don't want people from the [southern part of the] northern beaches mingling in other parts of Sydney at this stage, but you can welcome people in," Ms Berejiklian said.​

 

[OATEK]

Well I did say that they did not use the L-word. And yes it mainly is used by the media and the public but in different ways.





Though Gladys (a leader) did so during the Avalon Lockdowns, and specifically to highlight that it was still a lockdown even though people were allowed to visit each other in their homes, but could not leave their area. So not strict stay at home.

"If you're a resident of the northern part of the northern beaches … you cannot leave your area. You are still in lockdown," she said.​

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"You can't accept anybody [from] outside your community and I apologise for that but we have to maintain a lockdown in that area — with one exception.​

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"On the 24th, 25th and 26th, you're allowed to have five people into your home, but they must be people from within that region.​

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People in the southern area will be allowed to have 10 people over to their homes plus an uncapped number of children aged under 12 between December 24-26, but will not be allowed to leave the area themselves.​

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"We don't want people from the [southern part of the] northern beaches mingling in other parts of Sydney at this stage, but you can welcome people in," Ms Berejiklian said.​

Thanks for confirming what we have been saying. I think in a spirit of cooperative agreement we can say that if people in certain LGAs were not allowed to leave those LGAs we would indeed be in a lockdown - it may yet happen, but not today,

 

[antycbr]

Case in point - why haven’t QLD and WA closed their border already?

This isn’t 2020. This is a whole new thing.

This comment did not age well unfortunately.

 

[Lynda2475]

This comment did not age well unfortunately.

Although they did wait longer than last year.

 

[jakeseven7]

This comment did not age well unfortunately.

I wish NSW had restricted HH gatherings a little faster, that would have surely been a reasonable response and not too onerous on anyone. They 'encouraged' it early on but clearly some people didn't really respond to the 'encouragement'..... Oh well, its in force now, better late than never!

 

[jakeseven7]

Yup and people in hotspot LGAs banned from leaving Sydney as well.

Watch the borders come up hard and fast

WA is now fully closed to the whole of NSW....

WA introduces COVID hard border with NSW to prevent coronavirus spread from Sydney​

Western Australia has closed its border with New South Wales in response to the growing COVID-19 outbreak in that state.

Following updated advice from WA's Chief Health Officer Andrew Robertson, NSW has been reclassified from a "very low risk" state to "medium risk".

Under the hard border arrangement, travel from NSW into WA will no longer be permitted except for exempt travellers.

WA introduces hard border with NSW to prevent spread of coronavirus

Western Australia closes its border with New South Wales in response to the growing COVID-19 outbreak in that state, with only exempt travellers allowed to head west.

www.abc.net.au