Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jakeseven7]

NSW and Vic 'going alone' (or any state)? Wow. That's never happened before has it? I mean, they are all in lock step (lock-downs) with everything to do with the pandemic? Sorry to resort to sarcasm (the wit of fools, I know ) but I think you are over dramatising the whole thing per usual putting the Feds and Hunt in particular in a bad light. Thats OK - thats your schtick. Personally, I couldn't care a rat's bottom who argued what and when. If the outcome and decision was a good one - just get on with it.

I don’t really care either but you can google and see Sutton’s comments on the record about going it alone with VIC if you really want to, he was days away from pulling the trigger. I’m sorry for sharing the intelligence/goss from our health meetings, please feel free not to respond or block next time if it isn’t of interest or it offends you for some reason though Have a lovely evening.

 

[justinbrett]

I don’t really care either but you can google and see Sutton’s comments on the record about going it alone with VIC if you really want to, he was days away from pulling the trigger. I’m sorry for sharing the intelligence/goss from our health meetings, please feel free not to respond or block next time if it isn’t of interest or it offends you for some reason though Have a lovely evening.

We should be celebrating that two states who are ideologically worlds apart agreed on something! Where's the optimism on this forum?

 

[Princess Fiona]

Home quarantine is only safe if people do the right thing which time and time again has proven not to be the case.

At some point we are going to have to accept this.
We currently allow known high-risk Covid positive patients to quarantine in their own home.

Surely we should be allowing fully vaccinated PCR negative returning Aussies to do the same with State public health support? They would be far less of a risk.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I'm having this barney discussion on FB right now. Ban the international flights they say! And to which I explain that means no more Pfizer and other important imported supplies. Well, make the crew fly straight back then. To which others are replying that would mean a plane flying over Australia with sleep deprived crew. Well produce the vaccines onshore. To which I reply, sure, when that can happen in 9 months time Australia would be cactus

You are brave getting into a discussion like that. If it’s arms length people, most of them have an IQ of less than 100 and live in a fact free zone

 

[RooFlyer]

I’m sorry for sharing the intelligence/goss from our health meetings, please feel free not to respond or block next time if it isn’t of interest or it offends you for some reason though

I don't mind the sharing of the goss and as I said before, no offence or the like; I'm happy to respond and keep this slow-moving thread ticking over . Its the editorials that seem a bit unneccessarily jaundiced , but there you go.

 

[jakeseven7]

We should be celebrating that two states who are ideologically worlds apart agreed on something! Where's the optimism on this forum?

Agreed...... but some clearly don’t

 

[moa999]

I believe AP and DA are showing a disgusting lack of humanity in their demands of caps to be slashed, both to the people who are trying to get home and to the economic realities of requiring essential workers to move in and out of the country.

Agreed.

Indeed AP was being very misleading in her presser today, claiming that under 50% of those returning were Australians in HQ....

Well. Yes. Because there are so few returning because of the hotel caps...
And we have a bubble with NZ - so we've had plenty of Kiwis enter Australia, not needing HQ..

The facts are over 90% of those in HQ are Australian citizens, and the balance almost all permanent residents..

As for the 19yo Qld hospital worker that AP basically doxxed by naming age, suburb she lived in and place she worked at, while there is obvious some personal responsibility (particularly for not getting tested and travelling), also a lot of questions for Qld Health and her co-workers and superiors.

 

[JessicaTam]

Quite remarkable that state governments are happy to run international students and Australian Open participants over and above their caps - without federal government assistance.

The AO quarantine was privately funded, and I believe the student quarantine is as well.

 

[jakeseven7]

Agreed.

Indeed AP was being very misleading in her presser today, claiming that under 50% of those returning were Australians in HQ....

Well. Yes. Because there are so few returning because of the hotel caps...
And we have a bubble with NZ - so we've had plenty of Kiwis enter Australia, not needing HQ..

The facts are over 90% of those in HQ are Australian citizens, and the balance almost all permanent residents..

As for the 19yo Qld hospital worker that AP basically doxxed by naming age, suburb she lived in and place she worked at, while there is obvious some personal responsibility (particularly for not getting tested and travelling), also a lot of questions for Qld Health and her co-workers and superiors.

Although I think the hospital worker was irresponsible in not getting tested, it’s the QLD CHO’s responsibility to have front line health/admin staff vaccinated which has failed QLD twice now and still we don’t learn... I also think the amount of personal information given about the worker was inappropriate and an emotional knee jerk response.

 

[justinbrett]

The AO quarantine was privately funded, and I believe the student quarantine is as well.

I don’t think the HQ battles have ever been about money

 

[bcworld]

This makes no sense at all!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409817669658873856

 

[justinbrett]

This makes no sense at all!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409817669658873856

I think perhaps the photos were supposed to be in the reverse order. Damn work experience kids again!

 

[jakeseven7]

This makes no sense at all!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409817669658873856

No words

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

She works in the vicinity of the Covid Ward........at the very least she should have been vaccinated. Then tested when symptoms occurred.

Not sure that’s a fair call. I’m not sure there’s was ever a rule about vicinity of covid wards. Front line staff and covid ward, yes. Receptionist, not sure. Do we know when/where she caught covid?

 

[bcworld]

This makes no sense at all!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409817669658873856

Oh my God...the mask in the 2nd pic is upside down!

 

[bcworld]

Ok..the tweet was deleted. Here it is.

 

[Jmrocky]

I don’t think the HQ battles have ever been about money

I agree. The issue is the responsibility and the management.

newsGP - Latest hotel quarantine leak proves ‘we’re not learning’

Hotel quarantine has now been breached in every mainland state in Australia, leading experts to label the latest failure ‘Groundhog Day’.

www1.racgp.org.au

Sadly the gist of this article, a national framework and best practice standards that each state works up to, is still being discussed 5 months later.

At risk of editorialising in a discussion forum , the federal government really has no impetus to change the status quo considering their responsibility with HQ is minimal, and that's been indicative of this government so far.

 

[Pushka]

Not sure that’s a fair call. I’m not sure there’s was ever a rule about vicinity of covid wards. Front line staff and covid ward, yes. Receptionist, not sure. Do we know when/where she caught covid?

Staff working with patients are front line and were in 1a.

 

[aikman]

To be fair, if I was 19 and about to go on an island holiday, getting a COVID test probably wouldn't be on my list of things to do either. Especially in Brisbane, I mean, it's not Victoria.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I can't help but think there are other options that should be on the table. Such as using Howard Springs exclusively for unvaccinated travellers (and later Vic/Qld facilities), and keeping HQ for those who have been vaccinated (this might need some support, for countries where difficult to get vaccine).

There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccinated are less infectious (see below), so
1) You have a negative test of someone who is vaccinated.
2) They are less likely to get it during transit/last few days before departure.
3) If they do get it they are less likely to pass it on
4) The people they are likely to pass it on to (other HQ inmates and the staff) are also all vaccinated thus less likely to get it HQ from someone who is less likely to transmit it...

The risk seems to go much lower this way. Or am I missing something?

newsGP - Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission

Since vaccines began rolling out across the world, many scientists have been hesitant to say they can reduce transmission of the virus.

www1.racgp.org.au

Perhaps that every variant interacts with the vaccines differently