Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Must...Fly!]

Maybe look at home quarantine for the second week.

Disagree with this - the hotels seem to be a bit of a concerning spot for transmission. Perhaps just home quarantine from the start, if you are verifiably vaccinated with a properly approved product. Rapid test on arrival before you are allowed to leave the airport - and a PCR as well for processing. Government to then arrange to come to you for testing on days 5 and 12.

Would be very difficult to do but we need to think more outside the box now (I keep saying that a lot...)

 

[justinbrett]

Disagree with this - the hotels seem to be a bit of a concerning spot for transmission. Perhaps just home quarantine from the start, if you are verifiably vaccinated with a properly approved product. Rapid test on arrival before you are allowed to leave the airport - and a PCR as well for processing. Government to then arrange to come to you for testing on days 5 and 12.

Would be very difficult to do but we need to think more outside the box now (I keep saying that a lot...)

Well yes I agree, we are at the point where I believe home quarantine is actually safer. And we're also at the point where we can be requiring vaccinated travellers - possibly sending some AZ to our consulates to assist.

 

[bcworld]

No split in the ranks, as Barilaro is a Nat, not a Liberal and like Barnaby Joyce only has the gig due to the coalition. He regularly sprouts Nats policy which conflicts with Libs, most understand he is largely irrelevant.

There was me thinking he was the deputy premier of NSW. And surely the coalition only has the gig because of the Nats?

 

[justinbrett]

There was me thinking we was the deputy premier of NSW. And surely the coalition only has the gig because of the Nats?

It's called a coalition. That's how they work. It's pretty common, especially in Europe.

 

[bcworld]

It's called a coalition. That's how they work. It's pretty common, especially in Europe.

I would've thought that was obvious. I was responding to a similarly non-sensical point.

 

[justinbrett]

I would've thought that was obvious. I was responding to a similarly non-sensical point.

I don't follow sorry. Lynda's post was bang on. There's probably a greater distance between NSW State LIB & NAT vs their federal counterparts.

Need I remind you of KoalaGate?

Doesn't really matter because NSW Labor is polling around 25% so you could almost call the Nats the opposition

 

[jakeseven7]

You keeps saying that, or intimating it. How can 2 members 'roll' the majority of others? Could it be that the NC managed to come to a consensus through its normal processes (shock! horror!).

That’s how it was told to us in our briefing to the PHN’s.... Chant and Sutton apparently had openly disagreed v the ‘consensus’ (Sutton had already publicly threatened to go rogue, perhaps Chant would have too but a little pre-occupied at the moment!) and then it snowballed and rolled into a Nat Cabinet meeting. Hunt had to intervene and call ATAGI together prior to Nat Cab to try and save face. Then they caved and put in this work around because it would have been a disaster if NSW and VIC had gone it alone... leaving the other states behind...can you even imagine... a new round of state wars, just what we all want. Anyway I’m sure most a very bored by all this, means to an end!

 

[Lynda2475]

ABC reports:

The 19-year-old woman who was infectious in the Queensland community for 10 days has been confirmed as having the delta variant of COVID-19.

The woman, an unvaccinated casual worker in the COVID-19 ward of Prince Charles Hospital, was contagious from Saturday, June 19 and began experiencing flu-like symptoms from Monday, June 21, according to CHO Jeanette Young.


So that would confirm a 3rd cluster

 

[Must...Fly!]

No reduction in the cap other than an absolute ban would stop that leak. It is obviously the federal government's fault again, and nothing to do with the poor management at the Prince Charles.......

What a disappointing outcome, and while I dislike blaming individuals, this person worked in a hospital and was apparently symptomatic for a week prior to seeking out a COVID test.

Events such as this are the only proof you need to know that zero COVID is an unrealistic and frankly silly short/medium/long term goal.

 

[justinbrett]

ABC reports:

The 19-year-old woman who was infectious in the Queensland community for 10 days has been confirmed as having the delta variant of COVID-19.

The woman, an unvaccinated casual worker in the COVID-19 ward of Prince Charles Hospital, was contagious from Saturday, June 19 and began experiencing flu-like symptoms from Monday, June 21, according to CHO Jeanette Young.


So that would confirm a 3rd cluster

I wonder if there's any possibility this case is linked with the VA flight attendant? She flew BNE-TVL the day before the FA case flew BNE-MEL.

 

[Lynda2475]

this person worked in a hospital and was apparently symptomatic for a week prior to seeking out a COVID test

Yet again a case of the "the rules don't apply to me". Also need to ask why her supervisor didn't observe symptoms and send her for a test and then home?

At my employer all people managers (myself included) are responsible for enforcing covid policies.

The one good thing to come out of covid is that employers no longer question why you are WFH if you have cold/flu symptoms. Its been great not having to put up with sickly (contractors in particular) brnging their kids colds to the office.

 

[bcworld]

No reduction in the cap other than an absolute ban would stop that leak.

Bondi started with cargo crew. Presumably we would still need cargo flights...isn't that how (non CSL) vaccines get here?

 

[Lynda2475]

I wonder if there's any possibility this case is linked with the VA flight attendant? She flew BNE-TVL the day before the FA case flew BNE-MEL

If its true she had symptoms for a week beforehand then not likely.

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Bondi started with cargo crew. Presumably we would still need cargo flights.

Which is precisely why Vic and Qld calling for arrival reductions is nonsensical. We need to fix the gaps that caused the leak, not lock out Australians.

 

[justinbrett]

If its true she had symptoms for a week beforehand then not likely.

I meant this new case could be the case that infected the flight attendant - ground staff, same aircraft or common crew perhaps?

 

[Lynda2475]

The virgin flight attendant has already been linked to Ocean Foods at Marrickville branch of the Bondi cluster.

 

[bcworld]

Which is precisely why Vic and Qld calling for arrival reductions is nonsensical. We need to fix the gaps that caused the leak, not lock out Australians.

Their argument is you cannot fix hotel quarantine. It doesn't seem that unreasonable a position to be honest. Apparently someone looked at someone the wrong way in Bondi junction and became infected.

However I don't think its fair to do what they're proposing. But I would like to see them, as I have said before, put an end date on it and hand it back to the federal government. We shouldn't be in this position 15 months later.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So are there any clues as to what worked outside the COVID-19 ward means? I mean were they just outside the ward or?

The 19-year-old woman who was infectious in the Queensland community for 10 days before testing positive to COVID-19 has been confirmed as having the highly contagious Delta variant.​

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The woman worked outside the COVID-19 ward at Brisbane's Prince Charles Hospital and was not vaccinated.​

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She was infectious from Saturday June 19 and showed symptoms on Monday June 21, before coming forward a week later for testing.​

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She had travelled from Brisbane to Magnetic Island via Townsville in the state's north.​

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Brisbane hospital worker confirmed as having Delta strain of COVID-19

The infected woman worked as a receptionist outside the COVID-19 ward at Brisbane's Prince Charles Hospital but was infectious in the community for 10 days.

www.abc.net.au

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So infectious from 19th. So infected one or more days prior to that.

 

[Eastwick20]

My take is that was an ill advised attempt at a joke. And it wasn't political or taking down someone else's policies. It was just a typical state vs state cheap shot.

Yes he was referring to taking a holiday in Victoria instead of going interstate
I agree it was meant to be a cheeky joke that didn't land but it wasn't a shot at SA's Covid response.

Reducing the cap further doesn't really help , arrival numbers, big or small are still going into the same hotel quarantine system, being driven by the same unvaccinated bus driver/ front line worker and still staying in hotel's not designed for medical isolation

It seems the problem isn't that a person has Covid its what happens to that person during the process of hotel quarantine, and having 20 people on the flight instead of 50 isn't going to change that.

The only way to make hotel quarantine 100 percent fail safe is to ban all travel, nobody comes in / nobody goes out, which would be ridiculous

We as a nation need to understand you can have all the procedures and checks in place but this is a invisible airborne virus and nothing will ever be perfect

 

[Pushka]

Bondi started with cargo crew. Presumably we would still need cargo flights...isn't that how (non CSL) vaccines get here?

I'm having this barney discussion on FB right now. Ban the international flights they say! And to which I explain that means no more Pfizer and other important imported supplies. Well, make the crew fly straight back then. To which others are replying that would mean a plane flying over Australia with sleep deprived crew. Well produce the vaccines onshore. To which I reply, sure, when that can happen in 9 months time Australia would be cactus

 

[N860CR]

Yet again a case of the "the rules don't apply to me". Also need to ask why her supervisor didn't observe symptoms and send her for a test and then home?

At my employer all people managers (myself included) are responsible for enforcing covid policies.

The one good thing to come out of covid is that employers no longer question why you are WFH if you have cold/flu symptoms. Its been great not having to put up with sickly (contractors in particular) brnging their kids colds to the office.

Or a case of “am I really going to call sick and get a COVID test every time I have a small sniffle”. They haven’t said what the symptoms were. For the vast majority of people, symptoms are either non-existent or incredibly mild.

It’s great for those who can WFH, but those in operational roles (like most hospital staff) it simply cannot be done.