Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Flying mermaid]

Entertaining to hear about "wacko views". Around this time last year official policy was anti mask.

Advice is constantly evolving as knowledge grows…..initially it was totally not aerosol just droplets but then that changed and seems particularly bad with Delta. Hard to keep up sometimes. Also “anti” mask because there wasn’t enough around for frontline workers. I would like to get back to normal - not Covid normal

 

[burmans]

Entertaining to hear about "wacko views". Around this time last year official policy was anti mask.

True but we know now this was due to a lack of available masks and that there would be a 'toilet roll' run on masks meaning those who actually needed them most (i.e. doctors and nurses) wouldn't be able to get them.

Sometimes the truth is weirder than than conspiracy theories, who would have thought people would go so crazy over toilet paper!

 

[Port Power]

Personally fact that they were vaccinated and are asymptomatic is good news. It shows now even if a worker has done the wrong thing and delayed getting vaccinated (and even worse gone to work with symptoms) that those residents who did the right thing and chose to get vaccinated are not seriously ill. This will hopefully will convince the 4% of residents who declined vaccination to go get the jab now.

The vrus got into unvacinated aged care last year and killed hundreds, we should see a very different outcome this year. People need to hear about the better outcomes.

This is a very uninformed statement. Shame on you. These people are in aged care. It is far more likely the 4% have valid medical reasons for not being vaccinated and didn’t just “choose” not to be vaccinated.

I have already stated it is woeful that a worker in any capacity in an aged care facility not be vaccinated due to age ineligibility.

 

[Lynda2475]

This is a very uninformed statement

It was reported that some residents had declined vaccination,, not everyone makes wise choices. You have assumed all those residents that arent vaccinated couldn't be, but some did actually chose not to.

 

[drron]

It was reported that some residents had declined vaccination,, not everyone makes wise choices. You have assumed all those residents that arent vaccinated couldn't be, but some did actually chose not to.

96% of those in aged care vaccinated is actually a fantastic result.You probably are unaware of the problems of those in aged care.

People with dementia account for 52% of all residents in residential aged care facilities in Australia. However, not all care facilities are adequately set-up to provide people with dementia the quality of life they require and deserve.

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So with all your covid knowledge can you tell me how those 52% can make wise choices, how those 52% can actually choose not to be vaccinated, how those 52% can use their computer to make an appointment at a mass vaccination centre?
Also the turnover in Aged Care homes is very high with about 30% dying each year and replaced very quickly.

 

[Lynda2475]

Firstly i never said 96% wasnt a good number.

As you know those with dementia have someone else making decisions for them, usually a family member. I dont presume to know why they chose not to, but they did so have to accept the risk that goes with that decision.

Absolutely no idea why you are mentioning internet bookings for those living in residential aged care, given they didnt need to do this. The care facility confirmed bookings and providers came to them, and i never suggested any different.

The workers on the otherhand are more than capable of using the net to book their own vax and have had ample time to do so.

 

[kamchatsky]

I have taken to flying business class exclusively to improve my social distancing… it’s a burden but I am just following the health advice.

Actually that's what I did when I flew HKG-SYD on QF in late January 2020, when Covid was still mysterious and very new. I already had 4 QF J award tickets booked for my family, plus 2 paid Y tickets (my daughter and I). We ended up paying $630 each on upgrade bids, and got remaining 2 tickets upgraded to J (in highsight it was great value). My SWMBO agreed for the upgrade bid because of social distancing from all the Yers and less chance of catching Covid. I was shocked she said that especially she can be fairly stingy.

 

[drron]

Firstly i never said 96% wasnt a good number.

As you know those with dementia have someone else making decisions for them, usually a family member. I dont presume to know why they chose not to, but they did so have to accept the risk that goes with that decision.

Absolutely no idea why you are mentioning internet bookings for those living in residential aged care, given they didnt need to do this. The care facility confirmed bookings and providers came to them, and i never suggested any different.

The workers on the otherhand are more than capable of using the net to book their own vax and have had ample time to do so.

Not all of them have family.And for the over 85's the children are seniors too.
I look after many like this and their families.
You just have no idea of the problems and worries they have.Particularly in country and regional areas.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Testing rates down because it's a Sunday, so likely that explains why cases are down.

Only in part (though numbers were till 8PM Sat, but yes a weekend day), as the majority of positive cases tend to come from when people are directed to get tested by the contact tracers and those who are already in isolation and have one of the regular tests.

And overall test volumes were still quite good.

But having said that numbers can and do bounce up and down. And it only takes one superspreader in the wrong locations to bounce things up again.

Plus if the contact tracers find a new transmission chain, or chains, and direct more people to get tested that too can see a case surge.

 

[Lynda2475]

Not all of them have family

I said usually family (not always), sometimes its a solicitor or friend who has power of attorney or state trustee. Regardless of who makes the decision, once made they need to accept risk they will be more vulnerable than their fellow residents who did get vaccinated.

I dont know why you want to argue about what was good news which was that those who got vaccinated and tested positive are asymptomatic, should be celebrating that news.

Way too much focus on the minority who havent availed themselves of vaccination that they are eligible for, which is contributing to unbalanced risk assessment, and a way too slow roadmap for fully vaccinated people not being locked down domestically.

 

[jase05]

2 more residents at the Baulkham Hills Aged care centre have tested positive.
So 96% of residents vaccinated but 2/3 of staff not vaccinated still

 

[trevella]

Absolutely no idea why you are mentioning internet bookings for those living in residential aged care, given they didnt need to do this. The care facility confirmed bookings and providers came to them, and i never suggested any different.

Hence what @drron said:

Also the turnover in Aged Care homes is very high with about 30% dying each year and replaced very quickly.

It is perfectly possible that people currently in care were not there when “providers came to them”.

 

[Pushka]

2 more residents at the Baulkham Hills Aged care centre have tested positive.
So 96% of residents vaccinated but 2/3 of staff not vaccinated still

But the good news, so far, the vaccinated people are well!

 

[burmans]

But the good news, so far, the vaccinated people are well!

Yep, that’s the message that needs to be repeated over and over until people get it.

 

[Lynda2475]

It is perfectly possible that people currently in care were not there when “providers came to them”.

If this is the case they are also likely to be aged over 70 so have had over 3 months to go to their GP or a GPRC so should already have had a first dose of AZ.

Yep, that’s the message that needs to be repeated over and over until people get it.

Which was what my post about but some here are so pessimistic they just want to focus on excuses for why some eligible people aren't vaccinated instead of promoting why they bloody well should be.

 

[bcworld]

Qld: 4 new local...all linked...Alpha, so linked to 'first' outbreak.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Hence what @drron said:

It is perfectly possible that people currently in care were not there when “providers came to them”.

Plus most aged care facilities, including this one offer respite care.

And not all respite care is planned in advance. Sometimes it is due to an emergency situation such as the person's partner or carer requiring medical care or some other sudden event..

 

[Pushka]

If this is the case they are also likely to be aged over 70 so have had over 3 months to go to their GP or a GPRC so should already have had a first dose of AZ.



Which was what my post about but some here are so pessimistic they just want to focus on excuses for why some eligible people aren't vaccinated instead of promoting why they bloody well should be.

Other than one poster who doesn't post in this thread, people here have been very pro vaccination and encouraging others to be vaccinated. In reality the only one who has has any issue with any of the vaccinations has been you with not wanting the AZ vaccination. And RAM, I don't actually read the details of his posts as they confuse me.

And I am very antsy anyone of my age who is blathering about getting AZ and will wait for Pfizer. This is one of the core problem groups.

However having had a mum in aged care and seeing the residents I can understand all those issues of getting them all organised and vaccinated. This was another poor implementation by the Feds. I know of one location where the local GP's were not able to go into the homes at the last minute but the Feds brought in a completely new team of 'strangers' then expected the old dears to sign up when they didn't know the people doing the asking. When that went pear shape this whizz bang team then asked the GP practice, who knew the people, to ask them to get the required consents. So there was a signficant delay of weeks when the GP group were all ready to go into action on the spot.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

As to why not all people eligible for AZ, or even Pfizer, have not yet had it one only needs to look at all the unfortunate hysteria about AZ that have made quite a number of people vaccine hesitant. That hysteria also flows through to Pfizer as some people are now more fearful of any vaccine.

This includes:

• those who do not want any vaccine
• those who now due the hysteria want to wait for Pfizer
• those who will get vaccinated, but just want to wait as they do not regard the current situation as being urgent enough to do it now

Without that hysteria I have no doubt that the percentage vaccinated would be higher.

So the virus spread in Australia is now higher than it needed to have been as we have a good vaccine sitting in storage and not in arms.

 

[jakeseven7]

Other than one poster who doesn't post in this thread, people here have been very pro vaccination and encouraging others to be vaccinated. In reality the only one who has has any issue with any of the vaccinations has been you with not wanting the AZ vaccination. And RAM, I don't actually read the details of his posts as they confuse me.

And I am very antsy anyone of my age who is blathering about getting AZ and will wait for Pfizer. This is one of the core problem groups.

However having had a mum in aged care and seeing the residents I can understand all those issues of getting them all organised and vaccinated. This was another poor implementation by the Feds. I know of one location where the local GP's were not able to go into the homes at the last minute but the Feds brought in a completely new team of 'strangers' then expected the old dears to sign up when they didn't know the people doing the asking. When that went pear shape this whizz bang team then asked the GP practice, who knew the people, to ask them to get the required consents. So there was a signficant delay of weeks when the GP group were already to go into action on the spot.

Yes this was a HUGE mistake by the Feds contracting it out to private companies to try and save money rather than use physicians who already visit the homes and have relationships with the residents and staff. Sigh. Chalk up another FU.

Qld: 4 new local...all linked...Alpha, so linked to 'first' outbreak.

Damn this won’t see any other states opening up to us. More events and travel to move around.

Victoria just got a 275k function from us which we had to move last minute!