Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Princess Fiona]

I cannot imagine any state just inviting Covid in once say 80% of us are vaccinated. It's going to take a monumental shift in mindsets of the powers that currently control us.

Don’t move to NSW then

 

[jakeseven7]

I cannot imagine any state just inviting Covid in once say 80% of us are vaccinated. It's going to take a monumental shift in mindsets of the powers that currently control us.

Its beginning now though. All the big states have outbreaks. People are starting to normalise. It’s a good thing (in this respect)

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I cannot imagine any state just inviting Covid in once say 80% of us are vaccinated. It's going to take a monumental shift in mindsets of the powers that currently control us.

I will not hazard a guess at what the exact % will be when Australia opens up, but sooner or later we will and as Covid looks set to become endemic it will just start to arrive on our shores. Plus the question of vaccinating kids is still to be answered, but both Pfizer and Moderna are working on vaccines for the under twelves.

When we do (say some time between Chistmas and Easter), it is going to be case of not inviting Covid 19 in, but rather that there will no longer be effective measures in place to stop it arriving.

• Leisure and business travel will resume , by plane and yes cruise ships too
• The ships that bring in our freight will once again grant their crews shore leave
• The flight crews will resume enjoying whatever city they land in
• Yachties will start sailing from country to country again

In doing that it also means that sooner or later that Covid will be out and about in the community.

Now at first it will possibly leak in slowly and some limited measures might remain, but eventually everyone, or almost everyone, will be exposed to Covid 19. In other words it will become like the flu.

 

[Lynda2475]

Now that you and your family have been vaccinated with your drug of choice you seem to be pushing it back on the Govt and blaming everyone over 60 for the reason you cannot visit family.

Wrong, if you are going to make accusations at least get your facts correct.

Both my parents (over 70) had AZ just over a week of being eligible and have been fully vaccinated since mid June, as the risk for their cohort was acceptable.

The rest of my immediate family (all aged under 50) have had Pfizer which is what is recommended. For the youngest who only turned 40 in early July, it took much effort to get that appointment but persistance pays off (and FYI she asked her Dr about AZ but he said due to past vaccine reactions, a clotting condition and trying to conceive that Pfizer was a better option).

You call it cherry picking, I call it following the recommendations and avoiding unecessary risk. Pfizer is still the preferred option for my cohort and should be first choice if available.

The government regulations are preventing me from seeing my family. Those restrictions are in place because too few are vaccinated, so I am within my right to be frustrated with all those who have had months and months to do so and havent, just as the government is. And also because of those selfish people who have flouted the rules, failing to get tested and stay home when unwell, having illegal gatherings with thier unvaccinated family and friends.

There is no medical reason to prevent the fully vaccinated from visiting other fully vaccinated people especially when those people arent working in the community, so arent coming into contact with possible positives. Having done our part to keep ouselves and others safe, we should be able to choose to see each other.

I have never as you falsely acuse claimed to be a medical expert but I am more than capable of assessing my personal risk and have always pointed to the official advice. It is ridiculous for your to imply any blame/fault for the current state of poor take-up onto me, Ive not stopped anyone from choosing to risk AZ, I have in fact encouraged my circle of friends and family to get vaccinated and all are or have bookings to complete the process.

Yes I have also talked about my friends and families positive Pfizer, Moderna and J&J experiences overseas, aparently its fine for others but not me. Ignore my posts if you dont care to hear what is happening elsewhere, dont read them. Noting that consieration of overseas experiences is also part of how our regulators are making recommendations.

Anyway you have taken this thread off topic.

I cannot imagine any state just inviting Covid in once say 80% of us are vaccinated. It's going to take a monumental shift in mindsets of the powers that currently control us.

That is precisely what will happen (accepting that Covid is going to be endemic, not inviting known poistives in), the shift required is going to be much easier in NSW where most have understood that covid zero was fanciful at best. It will be a real struggle for those insular minded indivduals (*cough* McGowan *cough* Anna *cough *Andrews*) who seemingly have no desire to to be part of the wider world or even wider Australia.

There will still be restrictions on arrivals, they will need to show proof of vaccination, may have to iso until a negative test.

I think we will start seeing more pushback from restricted citizens well before we get to 80%, people want to live, not be alive but imprisioned.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Apparently there is a snap protest in Melbourne tonight, rather peaceful from what I can piece together. Reports that a few are being arrested for not moving on when requested by Police.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1423229552826925059

 

[justinbrett]

I cannot imagine any state just inviting Covid in once say 80% of us are vaccinated. It's going to take a monumental shift in mindsets of the powers that currently control us.

It’s not so much about inviting covid in but rather realising it’s already here and you’re basically trying to hold back the tide.

 

[bcworld]

The government regulations are preventing me from seeing my family. Those restrictions are in place because too few are vaccinated, so I am within my right to be frustrated with all those who have had months and months to do so and havent, just as the government is.

Or alternatively, those regulations are in place because your government decided to play chicken with demonstrated transmission of the delta variant in the community...with full knowledge of the low vaccine environment.

 

[nutwood]

I cannot imagine any state just inviting Covid in once say 80% of us are vaccinated. It's going to take a monumental shift in mindsets of the powers that currently control us.

I'm not sure that "mindsets" is exactly the right term. I do not believe those minds are set on anything at all, apart from electoral prospects.
The question is more when the general population of each State decide that they have had enough lockdowns and are prepared to live with the risk of Covid. Currently, it appears that those protesting in the street are driven more by conspiracy theories than a solid appreciation of the situation. Once the mood of the general population swings, the powers that currently control us will swiftly follow.

 

[Milboo]

Have I accidentally wandered into the vaccination thread?

 

[Pushka]

Have I accidentally wandered into the vaccination thread?

I reckon sometimes the two are inextricably linked.

 

[jakeseven7]

Have I accidentally wandered into the vaccination thread?

Go to the top of the page if you are confused and read the thread title, that will tell you what thread you are in.

 

[oznflfan]

You could go one step further as in Australia:

• Queensland is for resident Queenslanders only
• Victoria is for resident Victorians only
• West Australia is for resident West Australians only

I could go on but I'm sure you get the drift

March 2021 - 'Australia is the envy of the world'.
August 2021 - Not so much....................................

 

[oznflfan]

I will not hazard a guess at what the exact % will be when Australia opens up, but sooner or later we will and as Covid looks set to become endemic it will just start to arrive on our shores. Plus the question of vaccinating kids is still to be answered, but both Pfizer and Moderna are working on vaccines for the under twelves.

When we do (say some time between Chistmas and Easter), it is going to be case of not inviting Covid 19 in, but rather that there will no longer be effective measures in place to stop it arriving.

• Leisure and business travel will resume , by plane and yes cruise ships too
• The ships that bring in our freight will once again grant their crews shore leave
• The flight crews will resume enjoying whatever city they land in
• Yachties will start sailing from country to country again

In doing that it also means that sooner or later that Covid will be out and about in the community.

Now at first it will possibly leak in slowly and some limited measures might remain, but eventually everyone, or almost everyone, will be exposed to Covid 19. In other words it will become like the flu.

Crying happy tears at the sight of any of the above. Just thinking not that long ago my biggest issue of travel was deciding on which Ubud hotel I would choose to stay at. Now the thought of travelling there or anywhere seems so foreign and unattainable.

Whilst I would love your timeline of Christmas to Easter, it will be that, but Christmas 2022 to Easter 2023 before meaningful travel and not a travel bubble to New Zealand or maybe Singapore in the next 6 months.

Meaningful to me means a 5 day quick trip to Thailand, or a month in Easter Europe, both without the stress of wondering if I will be able to get back, if flights into Australia restricted, or if 'conditions' change and I am bundled by Federal Police into mandated 14 day quarantine with a $2,500 quarantine bill handed to me when I am released.

 

[33kft]

August 2021 - Not so much

Given vaccines didn't bring back 10s of thousands of people's relatives from the dead I am not sure it is as bleak as you say.

Plus the US and Israel aren't exactly in a great spot right now. Yes, deaths are down but spread is significant. There's still plenty of scope for us to do this properly, as much as is possible given our current parameters, anyway.

 

[Pushka]

Given vaccines didn't bring back 10s of thousands of people's relatives from the dead I am not sure it is as bleak as you say.

Plus the US and Israel aren't exactly in a great spot right now. Yes, deaths are down but spread is significant. There's still plenty of scope for us to do this properly, as much as is possible given our current parameters, anyway.

UK seems to be doing steady as she goes. I'd hope that Aus looks to the UK as their experience might be more reflective of us than US and Israel. A large contingent of AZ then later Pfizer. Maybe the combo of both across the population (and not an individual combo) might be something to ponder.

 

[justinbrett]

Crying happy tears at the sight of any of the above. Just thinking not that long ago my biggest issue of travel was deciding on which Ubud hotel I would choose to stay at. Now the thought of travelling there or anywhere seems so foreign and unattainable.

Whilst I would love your timeline of Christmas to Easter, it will be that, but Christmas 2022 to Easter 2023 before meaningful travel and not a travel bubble to New Zealand or maybe Singapore in the next 6 months.

Meaningful to me means a 5 day quick trip to Thailand, or a month in Easter Europe, both without the stress of wondering if I will be able to get back, if flights into Australia restricted, or if 'conditions' change and I am bundled by Federal Police into mandated 14 day quarantine with a $2,500 quarantine bill handed to me when I am released.

What is happening right now is a rapid decompression where Australia is returning to equilibrium with the rest of the developed world. In 6 months or so we’ll be much closer to the UK/USA than NZ. In fact, I don’t think the Trans Tasman bubble will be back at all and we will open to other countries before them. That is unless they join us on the living with covid path, but it’s much easier for them to hang on to covid zero.

 

[33kft]

UK seems to be doing steady as she goes.

Yes, but after 130,000 deaths. Adjusted for our population we are still talking 48 times our mortality rate. I'm glad they have pulled it together at the last minute but the supposition that we have performed poorly at this point is a bit off, we've been in the cautious camp all along, low mortality and whilst the vaccines started poorly they are ramping up. People can say we have done poorly but we have just looked at 3 of the leaders in vaccination, acknowledged two are not having a great time right now and ignored another having a death rate much higher than ours. A bit of perspective wouldn't hurt us.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The exposure sites for the third case are now up. Many are in the Footscray Region.

His workplace is shown below and with exposure as of the 28th it means that he too delayed in getting tested well past when he was symptomatic.

It also means that they still attended work for at least two full days when they were symptomatic.

A key reason why lockdown is back in Victoria is because two people were infectious for a week before returning a positive test, and to do so means that the individuals were symptomatic well prior to getting tested. The tone and words of Dan Andrews during the late afternoon presser radiated that as well.

Delaying getting tested for so long means that multiple generations of cases may well have already occurred, and with each generation the number of potential exposures grows.

 

[jakeseven7]

Our Melbourne team have reported to us that an inner city hospital staff member has tested positive, they are working on whether they were at the hospital working while infectious. Sigh. I’m not able to name the hospital until confirmed.

 

[NM]

Over 50s have been eligible since beginning of May, so all have had ample time for one (if not 2 if you were an over 50 opting for Pfizer) by now.

Again, please stop with this incorrect assertion that for over 50s "all have had ample time for one (if not 2 ...) by now". It is simply not true for all Australians. We don't all live in NSW or in Sydney. There is Australian life outside NSW. Yes, eligible since May, but in some states/cities/towns, eligibility does not equal availability.