Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[MEL_Traveller]

You're saying that the answer to clamping down on alleged non-compliance due to extended imposition on people's freedoms/liberty, is to clamp down further on people's freedoms/liberty? The logic doesn't really stack up, for me, when you consider how long this has been going on for.

It's not without precedent.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Also, surprising me to learn, hooping cough. In NSW, PoW said only available from your GP.

Surprises me too as the Tetanus boosters given in
public hospitals also contain Pertussis Toxoid (and Diptheria).
Just had mine done a month ago it’s compulsory for Category A Health Care Workers every 10 years.

Must have been circumstances at PoW where they are not obliged to give Pertussis immunization to that individual.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's not without precedent.

Maybe I live in an echo chamber or am simply mistaken. But I am coming more and more around to the view that in Victoria, that the era of "authoritarianism" (if I can call it that) is all but over. All the time I've spent on my bicycle this weekend has shown large crowds and people gathering in public, playgrounds and sports parks with many people out. I doubt that many additional measures will have any impact whatsoever. And if that the government does go heavy handed on those exercising the small freedoms available, that civil disobedience/large protests will be the inevitable result.

I will say that my only motivation at the moment is to be with family in Perth. So I'm not celebrating the above, but think I am just being realistic.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Maybe I live in an echo chamber or am simply mistaken. But I am coming more and more around to the view that in Victoria, that the era of "authoritarianism" (if I can call it that) is all but over. All the time I've spent on my bicycle this weekend has shown large crowds and people gathering in public, playgrounds and sports parks with many people out. I doubt that many additional measures will have any impact whatsoever. And if that the government does go heavy handed on those exercising the small freedoms available, that civil disobedience/large protests will be the inevitable result.

I will say that my only motivation at the moment is to be with family in Perth. So I'm not celebrating the above, but think I am just being realistic.

It's possible what you describe is apathy rather than any sort of active rebellion.

 

[bcworld]

It's possible what you describe is apathy rather than any sort of active rebellion.

...and also a beautiful, sunny weekend in August...it is Melbourne after all.

We need some more typical weather on the weekend!

 

[trevella]

It's possible what you describe is apathy rather than any sort of active rebellion.

Reasonably certain that what's actually happening is much more important than what you choose to label it.

 

[ethernet]

Ok, I hear NSW wants to relax things at 50% vaccinated. In a previous timely post I though it would be 70%, because in the UK's case, that was borderline compromise. But I was wrong. I also suggest the magic number for Delta is north of 80%. Lots of chatter on modelling provided by the Doherty Institute would be complemented with ongoing assessment of.... (politicians can make stuff up..).

Here is what you need to know: The model must be made public and disclosed. I do not know the risk ratings. But someone does. And other models listed. Then things are complicated by regional variations, vaccination homogeneity, infection reservoirs and control/escape vectors. My words, maybe not of those who model. There is also a lead time to vaccinate, and the outbreaks have gone viral in same places that recorded high vaccine 'wastage' rates when the blitz medicos did the rounds to remote areas. I note they seem to follow interstate major roads.

There is no wartime footing. If that was the case then the citizens/SES would be called to block off roads, and forward plates/details to the police. If we are not to have mandatory vaccination, then people who find themselves in trouble, must accept personal responsibility for their own actions and community deaths (excluding genuine medical reason persons).

Looking at the numbers and spread, and the tragic expansion to the upper west inland, where 9% or less vaccination ticks most of the factors listed above. The un-averaged risk multiplier in these spots is through the roof. Add diabetes+obesity = perfect storm.

Do not tell whoppers. NSW will be locked down >4 weeks. NSW has lost it. And this 50% number will not work. Every LGA needs to get over 50%, or those undervaccinated areas will reignite fresh outbreaks. Time to break out the SES, 4WD clubs, and the shooters, for some enforcement spotting- if they are vaccinated.

 

[RAM]

Some of the PCR tests are being sent interstate for processing.

NSW capacity, if all goes well is low 60,000s. That relies on all staff being available - if forced to isolate then that's a real problem for the private companies, from all accounts none of the public run machines have sat idle - they've been able to cover isolations.

Since early July tens of thousands were sent inter-state daily by Laverty (mostly). Flown by plane to Brisbane, Melbourne (not so many now) & Perth.

In WA, they are then only processed after all WA-sourced tests have been run. If a new batch arrive from within Wa, then the NSW ones get pushed back (other than current batch being processed).

NSW Govt was 'concerned' with 4+ day turnaround by Laverty in late June through to mid-July and 'approved' avg 48 hour turnaround in late July. Since blown out again. With Melbourne testing increasing then NSW tests get pushed back, similar to WA. With Brisbane processing as the Qld outbreaks have come & gone - the processing times have fluctuated.

There are a couple of providers testing in The Hunter, but one again is Laverty & they're reported (& acknowledged by Brad Hazzard but 'no problem') to delays now up to 7 days. People are now going to another test company and getting results in a day.

Processing payment stated as $85. Implied that transportation cost is reimbursed separately if more than x distance from processing facility.

Laverty's tests from The Hunter are driven back to Sydney, then held for being flown interstate that night (reported).

A Hunter New England Local Health District spokesperson said concerns regarding Laverty should be referred directly to the company.

"Laverty Pathology testing clinics are independent, privately-run services. All operational requirements for the clinics are managed by Laverty," the spokesperson said.

Laverty Pathology did not respond to the ABC's requests for comment.

 

[bcworld]

Ok, I hear NSW wants to relax things at 50% vaccinated.

I think that's old news and it has well and truly gone away. The current situation is simply that the government will seek the advice from the health team about whether any relaxation is possible. I don't know if you saw Dr Chant today but she meant business! No way any chances are going to be taken with things like alfresco dining. If anything happens at the end of August it will be very minor tweaks.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

In another thread i called 6 months ago this clown car version of a vaccine roll out would have us shockingly behind the rest of the world, man utd yesterday:

 

[Spongbob]

Some guy who did his PhD on which Australian hospitals were the worst, infections , bad outcomes, rectification work, was suppressed ...

What does this mean?
The person was "suppressed" (what ever that is)?
Or, their research findings were "suppressed" (e.g. not published, degree not awarded etc)?

 

[clifford]

In another thread i called 6 months ago this clown car version of a vaccine roll out would have us shockingly behind the rest of the world, man utd yesterday:

Man Utd. Love them or hate them. The latter for me.

But 30,000 Covid cases a day can't be that great?

 

[clifford]

if you saw Dr Chant today but she meant business!

Pity she didn't mean business a month or two ago...

Can't really blame her though.

 

[kyle]

Maybe I live in an echo chamber or am simply mistaken. But I am coming more and more around to the view that in Victoria, that the era of "authoritarianism" (if I can call it that) is all but over. All the time I've spent on my bicycle this weekend has shown large crowds and people gathering in public, playgrounds and sports parks with many people out. I doubt that many additional measures will have any impact whatsoever. And if that the government does go heavy handed on those exercising the small freedoms available, that civil disobedience/large protests will be the inevitable result.

I will say that my only motivation at the moment is to be with family in Perth. So I'm not celebrating the above, but think I am just being realistic.

In a way, I'm actually happy seeing that, barring large parties, people are not as obedient as the Vic government would have liked. They don't seem to appreciate the lockdown fatigue and condescendingly tell people to stay the course. I am waiting for the day that there's enough people breaking the rules that will force the government's hand to do something different and not just use lockdowns.

They keep telling people to get tested. If you're double vaxxed and asymptomatic, why would you go and get tested unless you've been to an exposure site? You won't even know you're carrying the virus.

 

[justinbrett]

Ok, I hear NSW wants to relax things at 50% vaccinated. In a previous timely post I though it would be 70%, because in the UK's case, that was borderline compromise. But I was wrong. I also suggest the magic number for Delta is north of 80%. Lots of chatter on modelling provided by the Doherty Institute would be complemented with ongoing assessment of.... (politicians can make stuff up..).

Here is what you need to know: The model must be made public and disclosed. I do not know the risk ratings. But someone does. And other models listed. Then things are complicated by regional variations, vaccination homogeneity, infection reservoirs and control/escape vectors. My words, maybe not of those who model. There is also a lead time to vaccinate, and the outbreaks have gone viral in same places that recorded high vaccine 'wastage' rates when the blitz medicos did the rounds to remote areas. I note they seem to follow interstate major roads.

There is no wartime footing. If that was the case then the citizens/SES would be called to block off roads, and forward plates/details to the police. If we are not to have mandatory vaccination, then people who find themselves in trouble, must accept personal responsibility for their own actions and community deaths (excluding genuine medical reason persons).

Looking at the numbers and spread, and the tragic expansion to the upper west inland, where 9% or less vaccination ticks most of the factors listed above. The un-averaged risk multiplier in these spots is through the roof. Add diabetes+obesity = perfect storm.

Do not tell whoppers. NSW will be locked down >4 weeks. NSW has lost it. And this 50% number will not work. Every LGA needs to get over 50%, or those undervaccinated areas will reignite fresh outbreaks. Time to break out the SES, 4WD clubs, and the shooters, for some enforcement spotting- if they are vaccinated.

Sorry but your post should have been made a month ago, it's no longer relevant as you are arguing with old information.

As for "NSW has lost it", that's a loaded statement. If you mean they'll never get back to zero , Gladys has said as much. But then look at Victoria, full lockdown, two weeks in, numbers still going up. Exactly what happened during the Sydney lockdown. Look at most other developed countries in the world. Gladys said it best "We thought we were different in Australia. We're not. We're just like everyone else".

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

In a way, I'm actually happy seeing that, barring large parties, people are not as obedient as the Vic government would have liked. They don't seem to appreciate the lockdown fatigue and condescendingly tell people to stay the course. I am waiting for the day that there's enough people breaking the rules that will force the government's hand to do something different and not just use lockdowns.

They keep telling people to get tested. If you're double vaxxed and asymptomatic, why would you go and get tested unless you've been to an exposure site? You won't even know you're carrying the virus.

The Victorian government could go harder.....curfews, ring of steel, etc????

 

[kyle]

The Victorian government could go harder.....curfews, ring of steel, etc????

Sure they can do that and if they do and the numbers still go up (but deaths remain low), then what? How much does it take for them to abandon the existing strategy? Or do they need to see the polls going the other way?

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Man Utd. Love them or hate them. The latter for me.

But 30,000 Covid cases a day can't be that great?

people arent dragged from their homes and made to go to the match though, its a choice, like a freedom, no ?

 

[bcworld]

So I just saw a video of the St Kilda East engagement party...the doctor who does my skin cancer checks was there! In fact, based on the information I can see he might be very closely related to the couple.

 

[Kendall Roy]

Pity she didn't mean business a month or two ago...

Can't really blame her though.

I suspect she was gagged, and now has been proven right beyond any doubt, therefore has GB by the throat.....