Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[bulldog88]

If we are not to have mandatory vaccination, then people who find themselves in trouble, must accept personal responsibility for their own actions and community deaths (excluding genuine medical reason persons).

Problem is that hospitals don't/can't differentiate between responsible & irresponsible people.
Once the ICU beds are full, they're full.

Now that NSW has fallen, let's hope SA & WA can keep Delta out.

 

[Must...Fly!]

So I just saw a video of the St Kilda East engagement party...the doctor who does my skin cancer checks was there! In fact, based on the information I can see he might be very closely related to the couple.

Unbelievable. It doesn't take much to find who you are talking about.

 

[bcworld]

Unbelievable. It doesn't take much to find who you are talking about.

Based on the chatter he certainly wasn't the only doctor there.

 

[kyle]

Based on the chatter he certainly wasn't the only doctor there.

Hmmm I think I recognize one of the ppl there…

Edit: make that two

 

[jakeseven7]

Pity she didn't mean business a month or two ago...

Can't really blame her though.

I suspect she was gagged, and now has been proven right beyond any doubt, therefore has GB by the throat.....

- She did mean business.
- Her advice was rejected and watered down in favour of a more balanced approach weighing in economy/freedoms political blah blah etc.
- Everything blew up, we all know the story…
- Allegedly she tendered her resignation (this has not been denied by NSW in the statement issued) because she was not being listened to
- GB allegedly refused resignation (how bad would it look if a popular CHO walked out)
- Now she’s back and appears to have more power

Now, the NSW Gov will have to find a sacrificial lamb to offer up at some point…. Possibly the health minister…? We will see…

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

- She did mean business.
- Her advice was rejected and watered down in favour of a more balanced approach weighing in economy/freedoms political blah blah etc.
- Everything blew up, we all know the story…
- Allegedly she tendered her resignation (this has not been denied by NSW in the statement issued) because she was not being listened to
- GB allegedly refused resignation (how bad would it look if a popular CHO walked out)
- Now she’s back and appears to have more power

Now, the NSW Gov will have to find a sacrificial lamb to offer up at some point…. Possibly the health minister…? We will see…

The NSW CHO had another go today - I watched a cough replay video but it was something like "Industry also have to help" - my thinking meaning industry should try to do something different to slow the spread, including voluntarily do something to reduce movement. Unfortunately it will probably fall on deaf ears - its all about $$$ and be damned if some of the staff get covid and give it to their families.

 

[burmans]

I think that's old news and it has well and truly gone away. The current situation is simply that the government will seek the advice from the health team about whether any relaxation is possible. I don't know if you saw Dr Chant today but she meant business! No way any chances are going to be taken with things like alfresco dining. If anything happens at the end of August it will be very minor tweaks.

What they actually said was that at 50/60% they can start to look at what could be relaxed. Like you I think very minor tweaks at currently virus free and high vaccination LGAs would be the only option.

It was also made very clear this did not mean anything like the proposal that relate to 70/80% levels in the Dougherty report and let’s face it we will be well over 60% first dose by EOM anyway so speculation of what might be relaxed at 50% is irrelevant. I would suggest that some of the reports have not captured well what was actually said, primarily it was an attempt to hold out an incentive to get vaccination rates up and has been very effective at that, while only promising that they would ‘look at what can be opened up’, it’s not a promise to actually open anything up!

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Pity she didn't mean business a month or two ago...

Can't really blame her though.

Well we haven’t a clue what she was saying behind closed doors!

 

[jakeseven7]

I am starting to think mandatory 5 day jail terms now for things like this. No discretion no excuses. You flout a public health order you go the jail. I am sick and tired of people doing the wrong thing 18 months into a pandemic.

People are tired and over it I’m afraid.

And add to that we have almost 50% of the population now 1 jabbed, so people are less afraid as well. As the vaccination % increase people are simply going to care less and less.

It’s all states, everywhere. I see it wherever I go. I even feel it myself.

Then finally as a triple whammy, people who are vaccinated are far far less likely to get tested as well because their symptoms are so mild / might not have any at all. So your asymptomatic transmission increases.

Its best we just accept this all now and just concentrate on jab jab jab. Forget case numbers and testing numbers, literally every day they become less and less relevant.

 

[justinbrett]

- She did mean business.
- Her advice was rejected and watered down in favour of a more balanced approach weighing in economy/freedoms political blah blah etc.
- Everything blew up, we all know the story…
- Allegedly she tendered her resignation (this has not been denied by NSW in the statement issued) because she was not being listened to
- GB allegedly refused resignation (how bad would it look if a popular CHO walked out)
- Now she’s back and appears to have more power

Now, the NSW Gov will have to find a sacrificial lamb to offer up at some point…. Possibly the health minister…? We will see…

Can I suggest you don't feed the rumour trolls? Most if not all of what you posted is pure speculation.

You don't think it's odd that almost the exact same story was going around last year with Brett Sutton? (that was also incorrect)

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

What they actually said was that at 50/60% they can start to look at what could be relaxed. Like you I think very minor tweaks at currently virus free and high vaccination LGAs would be the only option.

It was also made very clear this did not mean anything like the proposal that relate to 70/80% levels in the Dougherty report and let’s face it we will be well over 60% first dose by EOM anyway so speculation of what might be relaxed at 50% is irrelevant. I would suggest that some of the reports have not captured well what was actually said, primarily it was an attempt to hold out an incentive to get vaccination rates up and has been very effective at that, while only promising that they would ‘look at what can be opened up’, it’s not a promise to actually open anything up!

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Well we haven’t a clue what she was saying behind closed doors!

At the end of the day the NSW Premier has been vague - essentially fence sitting promising relaxations, etc. We don't even know if 50% or 60% means first dose or double dose.

If the NSW CHO is in the driver's seat (which I don't think she is), hopefully more like 60% double dose before there are any relaxations. The social fabric of Sydney is not the NSW CHO's professional concern - but a further extension of this multi-tier approach will just drive a wedge further.

 

[jakeseven7]

Can I suggest you don't feed the rumour trolls? Most if not all of what you posted is pure speculation.

You don't think it's odd that almost the exact same story was going around last year with Brett Sutton? (that was also incorrect)

No not really she might be going by his playbook as there is actually a lot of evidence that there was a huge blow up with Prof Sutton and VIC Health and when he came back after a few days there were some massive massive changes… so many believe he got what he wanted.

Anyway who cares if she did, good on her - have to play rough with bureaucrats and pollies.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So I just saw a video of the St Kilda East engagement party...the doctor who does my skin cancer checks was there! In fact, based on the information I can see he might be very closely related to the couple.

There is certainly a huge amount of growing anger and condemnation.

(Only 68 probably not the best term, but he meant that it was not 100).

 

[TonyHancock]

Man Utd. Love them or hate them. The latter for me.

But 30,000 Covid cases a day can't be that great?

...and the associated hospitalisations and deaths. I tried to avoid the daily trawl through the figures but I am heading back to the UK in four weeks or so. The number of cases seems to be settling around the 25-30,000 mark with deaths per day around the 100 mark.

I think many in the UK are desensitised, those days of 1000+ deaths and the NHS stretched to its limit appear a thing of the past.

Is Australia ready to accept 20-30 deaths a day in order to open up?

edit: Just to be clear open up with 80% or near enough vaccination.

 

[kyle]

Is Australia ready to accept 20-30 deaths a day in order to open up?

Think finally the tide is slowly turning

 

[justinbrett]

Is Australia ready to accept 20-30 deaths a day in order to open up?

edit: Just to be clear open up with 80% or near enough vaccination.

What's the alternative? Never open up again?

Going to lose more people to mental health if so.

 

[moa999]

Based on the chatter he certainly wasn't the only doctor there.

Stripping their Medicare authorisation might be a better punishment.

 

[TonyHancock]

What's the alternative? Never open up again?

Well quite. It would nice to be able to come home without spending 14 days in quarantine and then being locked in my home and denied the opportunity to return to my business overseas.

 

[moa999]

Problem is where do you draw the line. It is obvious across Melbourne that people are simply fatigued ...as more people become vaccinated themselves and they see their 'vulnerable' parents and relatives get vaccinated.

I think you can see some of this in the NSW approach in at least trying to avoid lockdowns (unfortunately way too late this time and possibly not stoppable given the 30+ West Hoxton party was on Day 3 from the initial case).

Had NSW followed the WA/Qld path it would have been in double digit lockdowns by now and that's obviously when fatigue/ boy who cried wolf attitudes kick in.

But as someone who's double Pfizer vaccd for over 6 wks, and following the rules, including not visiting my parents who are waiting on their 2nd AZ dose, I'm starting to feel it.

 

[burmans]

At the end of the day the NSW Premier has been vague - essentially fence sitting promising relaxations, etc. We don't even know if 50% or 60% means first dose or double dose.

If the NSW CHO is in the driver's seat (which I don't think she is), hopefully more like 60% double dose before there are any relaxations. The social fabric of Sydney is not the NSW CHO's professional concern - but a further extension of this multi-tier approach will just drive a wedge further.

Of course she has been vague, standard politician tactics to get the response she wants without actually committing much. No real surprise there.

 

[Anna]

Actually the Sydney strain was released on Sydney most likely from the USA

Yes, but what I was talking about was a new strain that might/will originate in Sydney as a mutation of delta.