Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Lynda2475]

She is actually quite educated and has followed up on the research re efficacy. Leaving it another few weeks increases that by quite a lot and that is actually important.

Which is her informed choice but has no bearing on the ability to bring forward her second sode if she chose to do so.

So again my point remains correct, it is a choice not to be fully vaxed by now if over 50 in NSW.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

To suggest that everyone 50+ who wanted to be fully vaccinated by now could be is plainly incorrect.

However, I would say that the vast majority 50+ in NSW who wanted to be vaccinated could almost certainly have had a first dose by now.

I'd suggest its limited to Sydney ....

 

[ayebee]

Re bringing forward the AZ from 12 weeks to whatever, based on some political urgings we thought we may as well get our second jab at 9 weeks, but the doctor at the vax centre advised against it, saying at 9 weeks we had maybe 55% efficacy, and that waiting until 12 weeks it goes to 85%.

 

[TheRealTMA]

So you're saying the NSW Premier and CHO is lying when they said that?

Who knows. I suggest they are making it up as they go along. Why take responsibility now after failing so badly previously.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

No idea, they spoke of it, they didn't talk specifics.

But remember if we are 70% double jabbed, we are likely to be 85%+ single jab as well - and that would really constrain hospitalisation. Adding some relief for vaccinated people will probably have a net decrease in impact due to the enticement to keep vaccinating.

Yep - my original question was releasing restrictions (for say fully vaxxed, critical workers - 1 dose, children - ineligible) during the next few months of undervaccination (ie before 70% fully vaccinated) and its impact on hospital, ICU and death etc.

 

[justinbrett]

Re bringing forward the AZ from 12 weeks to whatever, based on some political urgings we thought we may as well get our second jab at 9 weeks, but the doctor at the vax centre advised against it, saying at 9 weeks we had maybe 55% efficacy, and that waiting until 12 weeks it goes to 85%.

It's not "whatever" and it's not "some political urgings", it's literally the ATAGI advice.

ATAGI continues to recommend a shorter interval of 4 to 8 weeks between the first and second doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in an outbreak (versus the routine 12-week interval that provides optimal longer-term protection) so that maximal protection against COVID-19 can be achieved earlier.

 

[straitman]

Re bringing forward the AZ from 12 weeks to whatever, based on some political urgings we thought we may as well get our second jab at 9 weeks, but the doctor at the vax centre advised against it, saying at 9 weeks we had maybe 55% efficacy, and that waiting until 12 weeks it goes to 85%.

... and this is my point exactly. It may be possible to bring it forward but why would you do so if you are in a low risk situation?

 

[Lynda2475]

Those disputing the fact that NSW is doing its own modelling, need to recognise that Vic government is also using Burnet Institute for their own modelling. Jurisdictions will commission their own modelling relevant to their local conditions.

Covid zero is dead, it never should have been a thing.

Prolonged lockdown to protect people who have done nothing to protect themselves is not sustainable as it is causing more harm for others.

 

[justinbrett]

... and this is my point exactly. It may be possible to bring it forward but why would you do so if you are in a low risk situation?

Because we are talking about NSW, and if you are in NSW, you are not in a low risk situation.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It's not "whatever" and it's not "some political urgings", it's literally the ATAGI advice.

ATAGI continues to recommend a shorter interval of 4 to 8 weeks between the first and second doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in an outbreak (versus the routine 12-week interval that provides optimal longer-term protection) so that maximal protection against COVID-19 can be achieved earlier.

Yeah but as others have noted an outbreak can happen at any time, then a person is effectively three weeks too late......even if they could get an appointment for their second jab on the day an outbreak is announced.

Edit: the poster you replied to is from Melbourne probably, and their doctor is still saying wait - so possibly going against ATAGI advice???

 

[Pushka]

... and this is my point exactly. It may be possible to bring it forward but why would you do so if you are in a low risk situation?

Likely because say in SA, it’s just a matter of days before Delta arrives here (again but was quelled) so if I was at the 8 week mark I’d be having it now rather than wait until Delta returns.

 

[justinbrett]

Yep - my original question was releasing restrictions (for say fully vaxxed, critical workers - 1 dose, children - ineligible) during the next few months of undervaccination (ie before 70% fully vaccinated) and its impact on hospital, ICU and death etc.

Oh, the "6 million jabs" relief. It will be minor. I think they're saying things like haircuts when both parties are vaccinated. Maybe we can eat our lunch in a park

Enough to provide incentives but will be very low risk.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Oh, the "6 million jabs" relief. It will be minor. I think they're saying things like haircuts when both parties are vaccinated. Maybe we can eat our lunch in a park

Enough to provide incentives but will be very low risk.

It might be minor, but I feel it will still need to be modelled or a close example found. There will be plenty hiding in plain sight either fraudulently or mistakenly claiming a fully vaxxed privilege.

 

[Lynda2475]

I think they're saying things like haircuts when both parties are vaccinated

and would still have to wear a mask.

It will also be LGA case number and vaccine % dependent - so it will become a comeptition within the state to get vax up and cases down to get freedoms, a great incentive that costs nothing.

Allowing the fully vaccinated to socialise in groups of up to 5 people outdoors, so we can can our families would do much for mental health and be low risk to all involved.

 

[ayebee]

Yeah but as others have noted an outbreak can happen at any time, then a person is effectively three weeks too late......even if they could get an appointment for their second jab on the day an outbreak is announced.

Edit: the poster you replied to is from Melbourne probably, and their doctor is still saying wait - so possibly going against ATAGI advice???

Yep, we are on Mornington Peninsula which gets included as part of greater Melbourne for lockdowns etc.

 

[Lynda2475]

It might be minor, but I feel it will still need to be modelled or a close example found. There will be plenty hiding in plain sight either fraudulently or mistakenly claiming a fully vaxxed privilege.

Well they are talking of linking QR code check in app to vax status. So if they allow haircuts or indoor dining, you will need to show the double green tick (one for checkin, one for vax status) to be aditted.

Using rule breakers to justify keeping everyone locked up is nonsensical, because the rule breakers are doing so now with restrictions, people who dont care, dont care (look at the idiot they named and shamed yesterday who has Covid and refuses to stay home) so they will continue to do the wrong thing.

If you are sensible with your interactions, you can avoid such numpties.

 

[hydrabyss]

Oh, the "6 million jabs" relief. It will be minor. I think they're saying things like haircuts when both parties are vaccinated. Maybe we can eat our lunch in a park

Enough to provide incentives but will be very low risk.

Getting a haircut will be no incentive for someone like me who has none. But listening to my partner complain she does will.

 

[N860CR]

Oh, the "6 million jabs" relief. It will be minor. I think they're saying things like haircuts when both parties are vaccinated. Maybe we can eat our lunch in a park

By the looks of it, we should hit that tomorrow so not too much longer to wait.

 

[justinbrett]

Who knows. I suggest they are making it up as they go along. Why take responsibility now after failing so badly previously.

It's a pretty big call to suggest a premier would lie to its residents about engaging with another jurisdiction to exchange data and strategies.

Care to provide evidence whilst you continue this line of slander?

 

[sinophile888]

Casey Briggs is the new Antony Green.

I really enjoy Casey Briggs' updates.