Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Flying mermaid]

In fairness, Trump has been saying that from day one, which wasn’t the time to do it.

We’ve had the benefit of seeing it run out of control overseas, and so did the US. Australia, however, took the opportunity to get things ready so we could be prepared and manage it.

Somewhere along the way we seemed to get lost, so while we impacted a lot of lives, probably killed a lot of people by keeping them out of hospitals (ie Newmarch House) and we’re now not willing to move onto the next stage of the plan.

I thought the next stage was opening up, jumping on hot spots and being prepared for a low level of infections and deaths - isn’t that what we are doing?

 

[N860CR]

which is ?

“Flatten the curve”

Move to a “new normal”, where we manage the virus in the community - that’s exactly what we were told the plan was, however we seem scared to actually do it.

Still, months later, we can’t even move between states for fear of a single case appearing somewhere.

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I thought the next stage was opening up, jumping on hot spots and being prepared for a low level of infections and deaths - isn’t that what we are doing?

Except we’re not doing it. A quick look at the way the general public has attacked the state of Victoria shows that we’re not moving forward.

 

[Flying mermaid]

“Flatten the curve”

Move to a “new normal”, where we manage the virus in the community - that’s exactly what we were told the plan was, however we seem scared to actually do it.

Still, months later, we can’t even move between states for fear of a single case appearing somewhere.

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Except we’re not doing it. A quick look at the way the general public has attacked the state of Victoria shows that we’re not moving forward.

I would disagree - we have opened up enormously. Even Queensland is letting people in, as is NT, South Australian is letting some in. Victoria had dropped the ball in a massive way by not acting earlier as the hot spot developed. There is a big difference between a low level of cases and letting it spread like in the USA.

once Victoria gets things under control again, you will see South Australia and WA open up.

 

[33kft]

And by extension, the way the general public will attack the next state in which this happens, since it's been inevitable since day one and there's been no doubt that this was not a method of eradication but of management of the pandemic until eradication (is/may possibly one day be) possible.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

“Flatten the curve”

Move to a “new normal”, where we manage the virus in the community - that’s exactly what we were told the plan was, however we seem scared to actually do it.

Still, months later, we can’t even move between states for fear of a single case appearing somewhere.
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Except we’re not doing it. A quick look at the way the general public has attacked the state of Victoria shows that we’re not moving forward.

Do you think the States/Territories with zero for weeks should be any different when they are in a more enviable position? Most States are reopening in the next 4 weeks, opening to everyone except Victoria. Some are reducing their social distancing to less than standard. Some States are sending their contact tracers, pathology capacity for example to be used by Victoria.

some people might not be as diligently coping with the new normal, with many around Australia trying to go back to pre-COVID way of living.

I hardly think the other Governments or the public has been attacking Victoria.

 

[N860CR]

I would disagree - we have opened up enormously. Even Queensland is letting people in, as is NT, South Australian is letting some in. Victoria had dropped the ball in a massive way by not acting earlier as the hot spot developed. There is a big difference between a low level of cases and letting it spread like in the USA.

once Victoria gets things under control again, you will see South Australia and WA open up.

That’s a long way from the plan (borders should never have been closed in the first place). We are a very long way from a “new normal” and clearly the states are still focused on elimination, which we know is impossible.

 

[N860CR]

Do you think the States/Territories with zero for weeks should be any different when they are in a more enviable position? Most States are reopening in the next 4 weeks, opening to everyone except Victoria. Some are reducing their social distancing to less than standard. Some States are sending their contact tracers, pathology capacity for example to be used by Victoria.

some people might not be as diligently coping with the new normal, with many around Australia trying to go back to pre-COVID way of living.

I hardly think the other Governments or the public has been attacking Victoria.

Jump on a few news outlet social media pages and come back to report that the public is not “attacking Victoria”.

I don’t personally believe any state that thinks they’ve eradicated it is in a better position. “Flatten the curve” was the plan. Exceeding that is not entirely a good thing as it makes the next stages harder.

 

[Flying mermaid]

That’s a long way from the plan (borders should never have been closed in the first place). We are a very long way from a “new normal” and clearly the states are still focused on elimination, which we know is impossible.

Well it’s no point worrying what happened in the past. As Morrison keeps saying the states have the right to make their own decision. Living in the ACT we never closed our borders with anyone The important thing is that they are opening up and I don’t blame them for keeping Vic out currently, while it is running rampant. I can confidently predict that if Vic does control their hotspots that they will be welcomed again

 

[Flying mermaid]

Jump on a few news outlet social media pages and come back to report that the public is not “attacking Victoria”.

I don’t personally believe any state that thinks they’ve eradicated it is in a better position. “Flatten the curve” was the plan. Exceeding that is not entirely a good thing as it makes the next stages harder.

Social media outlets attack everyone - it’s what they do and what the people on them enjoy doing. I have a friend who keeps on getting into fights on Facebook. I have told her it’s a pointless exercise as people don’t want to learn anything they just want to join a lynch mob.....

 

[N860CR]

Well it’s no point worrying what happened in the past.

Correct, the future is the concern and I maintain the position that currently there doesn’t seem to be a plan to move forward.

Victoria seems to be doing an excellent job of managing their flat curve. The hospitals are nowhere near overrun (23 in hospital I think?) so we should be applauding a controlled outbreak, not creating memes that separate the state from the rest of the country!

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Social media outlets attack everyone - it’s what they do and what the people on them enjoy doing. I have a friend who keeps on getting into fights on Facebook. I have told her it’s a pointless exercise as people don’t want to learn anything they just want to join a lynch mob.....

Yes... that’s exactly what I said

 

[tgh]

Flattening the curve is being "spun" as opening things up and living with the consequences.
I opine that this is a very unpopular concept in the states with low or no covid and to that end politically unpalatable.

Flattening the curve has never adopted or advertised a target, it was/is a management concept rather than a religion.
To suggest that we should trash our spectacular success in truncating the spread by attempting old normalities is (imo) specious.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Correct, the future is the concern and I maintain the position that currently there doesn’t seem to be a plan to move forward.

Victoria seems to be doing an excellent job of managing their flat curve. The hospitals are nowhere near overrun (23 in hospital I think?) so we should be applauding a controlled outbreak, not creating memes that separate the state from the rest of the country!

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Yes... that’s exactly what I said

I think you need to go and look at Melbourne’s curve currently - flat it is not. However I do agree we shouldn’t be attacking, but supporting Vic and that is what is happening at a higher level. All the states are helping with tests, sending medical staff etc. you can’t worry about what is said on social media.....

 

[N860CR]

I think you need to go and look at Melbourne’s curve currently - flat it is not.

As even one of the most vocal posters above noted, you can’t compare the current “infection” curve with the original one due to the massive difference in testing criteria.

As I said a few posts ago, the next two weeks will reveal the real “curve” when we see hospitalisation rates (which remain minuscule).

 

[oz_mark]

That’s a long way from the plan (borders should never have been closed in the first place).

If the Ruby Princess hadn't happened, some of those borders wouldn't have been closed.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Jump on a few news outlet social media pages and come back to report that the public is not “attacking Victoria”.

I don’t personally believe any state that thinks they’ve eradicated it is in a better position. “Flatten the curve” was the plan. Exceeding that is not entirely a good thing as it makes the next stages harder.

Well I can’t help you. Your complaint is really about something that is now seemingly part of the fabric of a liberal democracy in the internet age.

 

[N860CR]

Well I can’t help you. Your complaint is really about something that is now seemingly part of the fabric of a liberal democracy in the internet age.

Wasn’t asking for your help . But as I said, my point has been proven.

 

[Austman]

Victoria had dropped the ball in a massive way by not acting earlier as the hot spot developed.

However I do agree we shouldn’t be attacking, but supporting Vic

One is an attack? One is a support?

I think the situation in Victoria could have happened in any large city.

Hopefully it gets under control.

And very soon.

 

[jase05]

I think the situation in Victoria could have happened in any large city.

Absolutely but it still is vital to found out how and why it happened and hopefully learn from the mistakes and put better protocols in place.
We are still learning something every day

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Wasn’t asking for your help . But as I said, my point has been proven.

Sorry, disagree that your point is proven.

Its all in the eye of the beholder.

Someone’s ‘attack’ is someone else’s constructive criticism.

Moving more back on to topic.....hope this spike/outbreak get under control.

 

[N860CR]

Sorry, disagree that your point is proven.

Its all in the eye of the beholder.

Someone’s ‘attack’ is someone else’s constructive criticism.

I’m not going to argue with you. As I said, the general public is fairly vocally attacking the state of Victoria for this outbreak. You seem to take issue with the fact that I’ve sighted social media as a source for this (which it most certainly is) but just go for a walk through a shopping centre and have a listen to some conversations if you need further proof.

If you honestly believe the general public isn’t of the belief that the state of Victoria has “done the wrong thing” or are somehow at fault for this then, sorry, you’re not hearing the voice of the people. And I don’t hear too much “constructive criticism”