Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jase05]

Wrong on so many levels
1) that would be depriving those countries of nurses during a pandemic?.
2) they have no experience with Australian nursing and medical practices, etc

A lot of our nurses are already from overseas - at my work, Phillipines, india, Africa.
I wonder why we can’t get home grown people to be nurses, that we have to deprive developing countries of skilled people. Surely they need them more than we need them here.

There are a lot of working age Australian nurses who have left the profession. If you really want to solve the nursing issue and not just temporarily - start there.

Start by increasing wages considerably. The money is relatively poor for the demands

 

[Must...Fly!]

Not sure what the solution here is however Canberra isn’t interested.

Don't necessarily blame them, the states started this chaos when they asked everyone travelling for Christmas to find a PCR test.

Colleague has family in Sydney, been waiting 8 days for results.

 

[Tiki]

Wrong on so many levels
1) that would be depriving those countries of nurses during a pandemic?.
2) they have no experience with Australian nursing and medical practices, etc

A lot of our nurses are already from overseas - at my work, Phillipines, india, Africa.
I wonder why we can’t get home grown people to be nurses, that we have to deprive developing countries of skilled people. Surely they need them more than we need them here.

There are a lot of working age Australian nurses who have left the profession. If you really want to solve the nursing issue and not just temporarily - start there.

I was referring to the nurses who have already left their home countries to work in places like UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. They have already chosen an expat life for economic reasons.

 

[Quickstatus]

Start by

More complicated than that.

Not just $$$
Most are unable to afford living close to place of work. Often travel more than 1 hr to/from
Childcare issues

Nurse at highest pay level
Not counting penalty rates
$40/hr

 

[nutwood]

Clinical Labs just pulled the plug in Sydney effective immediately no more testing until further notice. 30 sites gone.

Not sure what’s happened however there goes the testing system.

Interesting situation. A company with a effective license to print money, hands the license in. Wow!

 

[Quickstatus]

UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait

Most of them are from the countries I mentioned. Even though they are as you say “already on the road”, morally I believe it is wrong to outcompete the home countries for their nurses.

What do you think happens when the word gets out that Australia wants more nurses…
We get the “on the road” nurses from UAE,SA,Kuwait. Then what happens?. They recruit more from the developing countries. Who loses out in the end?

Why don’t we outcompete for home grown talent making nursing more attractive than other jobs.

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
Please keep to the topic. This is not the nurses thread.
[/mod hat]

 

[Pushka]

My brain hurts. The PC has been working this afternoon.

This slab of text from Police FB provides the definition today - of Close Contact.

The gist is that if you have covid, You only have to quarantine for 7 days. If you live with someone who has covid, you have to quarantine for 14 days!

From 5:29pm on 3 January 2022:

Changes have been made to the Exposure Sites, Contacts and Diagnosis Requirements Direction. Those changes include:

The definition for people who are Casual Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case or who have been at a casual contact exposure site has been removed from the Direction.

The definition for people who are Close Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case has been changed to include:
• a person who is a household member or an intimate partner of a COVID-19 case during their infectious period;
• a person who has had close personal interaction with a COVID-19 case during their infectious period; or
• a person who has been notified by SA Heath that they are a close contact with a COVID-19 case; or
• a person who has been at an exposure site during the exposure period for that site.

It has introduced a definition for Close Personal Interactions between a person and a positive COVID-19 case, it means an interaction:
• for 15 minutes or more; and
• where masks are not worn by the person and the COVID-19 case; and
• in close physical proximity; and
• occurring in an indoor setting

Therefore, two people must be within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes or more, not wearing masks and indoors to be deemed a close personal interaction.

It introduces a definition for a Household Member of a COVID-19 case means:
• any member of the house of a COVID-19 case, being a person regularly living in the house (or houses if they live in more than one) of the COVID-19 case.

It has been determined that a person has been notified that they are a close contact or have been diagnosed with COVID-19 if they have received advice by one or more of the following methods:
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Health; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Pathology; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by a private pathology laboratory; or
• the relevant exposure site being published on the SA Health website; or
• receiving telephone contact by SA Health; or
• becoming aware that they are a close contact of a COVID-19 case.

All Close Contacts (whether vaccinated and unvaccinated)(including household member) need to:
• immediately quarantine for 7 days (unless you are a household member, refer below) since they had contact with a COVID-19 positive person or were at the exposure location
• get an initial PCR test
• get a PCR test again on day 6 if initial test negative (a negative day 6 PCR test is required to be released from quarantine)
• get a PCR test again immediately if symptoms develop (be mindful of symptoms for up to 14 days)
• not attend high risk settings (unless for work or duties or COVID Management Plan events for 14 days after exposure
• wear a surgical mask when around others
• avoid contact with vulnerable people, avoid non-essential activities where possible and avoid shared spaces and maintain physical distancing on days 8 to 14 after exposure.

PCR testing remains the same for Close Contacts being:
• immediately upon notification of being a close contact; and
• on the 6th day after the exposure.
• Immediately upon developing symptoms

If you are a household member of COVID-19 case and you cannot segregate from them you must quarantine for 14 days from the date they had their test taken. A household member who cannot segregate is not required to undertake COVID-19 testing unless they develop symptoms, at which time they must obtain a COVID-19 PCR test.

If you are a household member where the COVID-19 positive person is able to remain isolated and segregated or the entire time, you must quarantine for 7 days from the date they had their test.

The date from which you calculate the commencement of the isolation or quarantine period is the date for which the positive test was obtained.
If you test positive to COVID-19, you need to:
• quarantine immediately as directed for 10 days

Other existing requirements remain.

All existing directions, frequently asked questions and other information can be found here: Emergency Declaration and Directions

If you require further information you can call the SA COVID-19 Information Line on 1800 253 787 between the hours of 8am to 8pm 7 days per week or go to the SA Health website at www.sahealth.sa.gov.au or www.sa.gov.au/covid-19


And they wonder why people have given up reading all the rules in SA. The comments are priceless.

 

[nutwood]

My brain hurts. The PC has been working this afternoon.

This slab of text from Police FB provides the definition today - of Close Contact.

The gist is that if you have covid, You only have to quarantine for 7 days. If you live with someone who has covid, you have to quarantine for 14 days!

From 5:29pm on 3 January 2022:

Changes have been made to the Exposure Sites, Contacts and Diagnosis Requirements Direction. Those changes include:

The definition for people who are Casual Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case or who have been at a casual contact exposure site has been removed from the Direction.

The definition for people who are Close Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case has been changed to include:
• a person who is a household member or an intimate partner of a COVID-19 case during their infectious period;
• a person who has had close personal interaction with a COVID-19 case during their infectious period; or
• a person who has been notified by SA Heath that they are a close contact with a COVID-19 case; or
• a person who has been at an exposure site during the exposure period for that site.

It has introduced a definition for Close Personal Interactions between a person and a positive COVID-19 case, it means an interaction:
• for 15 minutes or more; and
• where masks are not worn by the person and the COVID-19 case; and
• in close physical proximity; and
• occurring in an indoor setting

Therefore, two people must be within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes or more, not wearing masks and indoors to be deemed a close personal interaction.

It introduces a definition for a Household Member of a COVID-19 case means:
• any member of the house of a COVID-19 case, being a person regularly living in the house (or houses if they live in more than one) of the COVID-19 case.

It has been determined that a person has been notified that they are a close contact or have been diagnosed with COVID-19 if they have received advice by one or more of the following methods:
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Health; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Pathology; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by a private pathology laboratory; or
• the relevant exposure site being published on the SA Health website; or
• receiving telephone contact by SA Health; or
• becoming aware that they are a close contact of a COVID-19 case.

All Close Contacts (whether vaccinated and unvaccinated)(including household member) need to:
• immediately quarantine for 7 days (unless you are a household member, refer below) since they had contact with a COVID-19 positive person or were at the exposure location
• get an initial PCR test
• get a PCR test again on day 6 if initial test negative (a negative day 6 PCR test is required to be released from quarantine)
• get a PCR test again immediately if symptoms develop (be mindful of symptoms for up to 14 days)
• not attend high risk settings (unless for work or duties or COVID Management Plan events for 14 days after exposure
• wear a surgical mask when around others
• avoid contact with vulnerable people, avoid non-essential activities where possible and avoid shared spaces and maintain physical distancing on days 8 to 14 after exposure.

PCR testing remains the same for Close Contacts being:
• immediately upon notification of being a close contact; and
• on the 6th day after the exposure.
• Immediately upon developing symptoms

If you are a household member of COVID-19 case and you cannot segregate from them you must quarantine for 14 days from the date they had their test taken. A household member who cannot segregate is not required to undertake COVID-19 testing unless they develop symptoms, at which time they must obtain a COVID-19 PCR test.

If you are a household member where the COVID-19 positive person is able to remain isolated and segregated or the entire time, you must quarantine for 7 days from the date they had their test.

The date from which you calculate the commencement of the isolation or quarantine period is the date for which the positive test was obtained.
If you test positive to COVID-19, you need to:
• quarantine immediately as directed for 10 days

Other existing requirements remain.

All existing directions, frequently asked questions and other information can be found here: Emergency Declaration and Directions

If you require further information you can call the SA COVID-19 Information Line on 1800 253 787 between the hours of 8am to 8pm 7 days per week or go to the SA Health website at www.sahealth.sa.gov.au or www.sa.gov.au/covid-19


And they wonder why people have given up reading all the rules in SA. The comments are priceless.

That must surely win some sort of award?!!

 

[Must...Fly!]

My brain hurts. The PC has been working this afternoon.

This slab of text from Police FB provides the definition today - of Close Contact.

The gist is that if you have covid, You only have to quarantine for 7 days. If you live with someone who has covid, you have to quarantine for 14 days!

From 5:29pm on 3 January 2022:

Changes have been made to the Exposure Sites, Contacts and Diagnosis Requirements Direction. Those changes include:

The definition for people who are Casual Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case or who have been at a casual contact exposure site has been removed from the Direction.

The definition for people who are Close Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case has been changed to include:
• a person who is a household member or an intimate partner of a COVID-19 case during their infectious period;
• a person who has had close personal interaction with a COVID-19 case during their infectious period; or
• a person who has been notified by SA Heath that they are a close contact with a COVID-19 case; or
• a person who has been at an exposure site during the exposure period for that site.

It has introduced a definition for Close Personal Interactions between a person and a positive COVID-19 case, it means an interaction:
• for 15 minutes or more; and
• where masks are not worn by the person and the COVID-19 case; and
• in close physical proximity; and
• occurring in an indoor setting

Therefore, two people must be within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes or more, not wearing masks and indoors to be deemed a close personal interaction.

It introduces a definition for a Household Member of a COVID-19 case means:
• any member of the house of a COVID-19 case, being a person regularly living in the house (or houses if they live in more than one) of the COVID-19 case.

It has been determined that a person has been notified that they are a close contact or have been diagnosed with COVID-19 if they have received advice by one or more of the following methods:
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Health; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Pathology; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by a private pathology laboratory; or
• the relevant exposure site being published on the SA Health website; or
• receiving telephone contact by SA Health; or
• becoming aware that they are a close contact of a COVID-19 case.

All Close Contacts (whether vaccinated and unvaccinated)(including household member) need to:
• immediately quarantine for 7 days (unless you are a household member, refer below) since they had contact with a COVID-19 positive person or were at the exposure location
• get an initial PCR test
• get a PCR test again on day 6 if initial test negative (a negative day 6 PCR test is required to be released from quarantine)
• get a PCR test again immediately if symptoms develop (be mindful of symptoms for up to 14 days)
• not attend high risk settings (unless for work or duties or COVID Management Plan events for 14 days after exposure
• wear a surgical mask when around others
• avoid contact with vulnerable people, avoid non-essential activities where possible and avoid shared spaces and maintain physical distancing on days 8 to 14 after exposure.

PCR testing remains the same for Close Contacts being:
• immediately upon notification of being a close contact; and
• on the 6th day after the exposure.
• Immediately upon developing symptoms

If you are a household member of COVID-19 case and you cannot segregate from them you must quarantine for 14 days from the date they had their test taken. A household member who cannot segregate is not required to undertake COVID-19 testing unless they develop symptoms, at which time they must obtain a COVID-19 PCR test.

If you are a household member where the COVID-19 positive person is able to remain isolated and segregated or the entire time, you must quarantine for 7 days from the date they had their test.

The date from which you calculate the commencement of the isolation or quarantine period is the date for which the positive test was obtained.
If you test positive to COVID-19, you need to:
• quarantine immediately as directed for 10 days

Other existing requirements remain.

All existing directions, frequently asked questions and other information can be found here: Emergency Declaration and Directions

If you require further information you can call the SA COVID-19 Information Line on 1800 253 787 between the hours of 8am to 8pm 7 days per week or go to the SA Health website at www.sahealth.sa.gov.au or www.sa.gov.au/covid-19


And they wonder why people have given up reading all the rules in SA. The comments are priceless.

More evidence of public officials being so far removed from real society. How the f could anyone understand this rubbish.

No wonder people ignore it.

 

[drron]

Simple.Check in but check out within 10 minutes at any institution demanding use of QR code.

 

[jase05]

Simple.Check in but check out within 10 minutes at any institution demanding use of QR code.

We don’t have the check out feature.
QR compliance is pretty much zero now anyway

 

[Pushka]

Simple.Check in but check out within 10 minutes at any institution demanding use of QR code.

We can't check out in SA. But if you don't check in well, given they announced a hot spot today - from 8 days ago - well

I am checking in here at Port Broughton as it's near vulnerable communities.

 

[Must...Fly!]

We don’t have the check out feature.
QR compliance is pretty much zero now anyway

Same in Melbourne, everyone just walking in to Coles/Woolies, no one stopping to check in. Some retail is roped off and requires a check-in before entering so I do so there, but nowhere else.

 

[Milboo]

Wrong on so many levels
1) that would be depriving those countries of nurses during a pandemic?.
2) they have no experience with Australian nursing and medical practices, etc

A lot of our nurses are already from overseas - at my work, Phillipines, india, Africa.
I wonder why we can’t get home grown people to be nurses, that we have to deprive developing countries of skilled people. Surely they need them more than we need them here.

There are a lot of working age Australian nurses who have left the profession. If you really want to solve the nursing issue and not just temporarily - start there.

Doesn‘t help that SA and WA Health have pulled clinical placements of nursing students on WHS grounds so can’t get the required hours to graduate.

 

[Quickstatus]

Clinical Labs just pulled the plug in Sydney effective immediately no more testing until further notice

My info is that they are not accepting new test samples until they clear the current backlog.

 

[jakeseven7]

Clinical Labs just pulled the plug in Sydney effective immediately no more testing until further notice. 30 sites gone.

Not sure what’s happened however there goes the testing system.

Could be a good thing.

 

[nutwood]

More evidence of public officials being so far removed from real society. How the f could anyone understand this rubbish.

No wonder people ignore it.

It's interesting reading because you can almost picture the people in the room. There's the solid legal types who carefully define a close contact and then there's someone else who throws in "a person who has been at an exposure site during the exposure period for that site.".
It's even more obvious in the notification section. They solemnly work through written notification and then chuck in "the relevant exposure site being published on the SA Health website".
Good luck enforcing notification, just because you published it on a website. First you'd have to pass a law compelling people to check said website!

 

[jakeseven7]

My brain hurts. The PC has been working this afternoon.

This slab of text from Police FB provides the definition today - of Close Contact.

The gist is that if you have covid, You only have to quarantine for 7 days. If you live with someone who has covid, you have to quarantine for 14 days!

From 5:29pm on 3 January 2022:

Changes have been made to the Exposure Sites, Contacts and Diagnosis Requirements Direction. Those changes include:

The definition for people who are Casual Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case or who have been at a casual contact exposure site has been removed from the Direction.

The definition for people who are Close Contacts of a positive COVID-19 case has been changed to include:
• a person who is a household member or an intimate partner of a COVID-19 case during their infectious period;
• a person who has had close personal interaction with a COVID-19 case during their infectious period; or
• a person who has been notified by SA Heath that they are a close contact with a COVID-19 case; or
• a person who has been at an exposure site during the exposure period for that site.

It has introduced a definition for Close Personal Interactions between a person and a positive COVID-19 case, it means an interaction:
• for 15 minutes or more; and
• where masks are not worn by the person and the COVID-19 case; and
• in close physical proximity; and
• occurring in an indoor setting

Therefore, two people must be within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes or more, not wearing masks and indoors to be deemed a close personal interaction.

It introduces a definition for a Household Member of a COVID-19 case means:
• any member of the house of a COVID-19 case, being a person regularly living in the house (or houses if they live in more than one) of the COVID-19 case.

It has been determined that a person has been notified that they are a close contact or have been diagnosed with COVID-19 if they have received advice by one or more of the following methods:
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Health; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by SA Pathology; or
• receiving notice in writing (including by SMS) by a private pathology laboratory; or
• the relevant exposure site being published on the SA Health website; or
• receiving telephone contact by SA Health; or
• becoming aware that they are a close contact of a COVID-19 case.

All Close Contacts (whether vaccinated and unvaccinated)(including household member) need to:
• immediately quarantine for 7 days (unless you are a household member, refer below) since they had contact with a COVID-19 positive person or were at the exposure location
• get an initial PCR test
• get a PCR test again on day 6 if initial test negative (a negative day 6 PCR test is required to be released from quarantine)
• get a PCR test again immediately if symptoms develop (be mindful of symptoms for up to 14 days)
• not attend high risk settings (unless for work or duties or COVID Management Plan events for 14 days after exposure
• wear a surgical mask when around others
• avoid contact with vulnerable people, avoid non-essential activities where possible and avoid shared spaces and maintain physical distancing on days 8 to 14 after exposure.

PCR testing remains the same for Close Contacts being:
• immediately upon notification of being a close contact; and
• on the 6th day after the exposure.
• Immediately upon developing symptoms

If you are a household member of COVID-19 case and you cannot segregate from them you must quarantine for 14 days from the date they had their test taken. A household member who cannot segregate is not required to undertake COVID-19 testing unless they develop symptoms, at which time they must obtain a COVID-19 PCR test.

If you are a household member where the COVID-19 positive person is able to remain isolated and segregated or the entire time, you must quarantine for 7 days from the date they had their test.

The date from which you calculate the commencement of the isolation or quarantine period is the date for which the positive test was obtained.
If you test positive to COVID-19, you need to:
• quarantine immediately as directed for 10 days

Other existing requirements remain.

All existing directions, frequently asked questions and other information can be found here: Emergency Declaration and Directions

If you require further information you can call the SA COVID-19 Information Line on 1800 253 787 between the hours of 8am to 8pm 7 days per week or go to the SA Health website at www.sahealth.sa.gov.au or www.sa.gov.au/covid-19


And they wonder why people have given up reading all the rules in SA. The comments are priceless.

I got to the second sentence then skipped like 99% of people will.

Hope the person who wrote this got paid well courtesy of SA taxpayers.

 

[moa999]

Interesting situation. A company with a effective license to print money, hands the license in. Wow!

I suspect the money printing is not what it was.

They used to get $$ per test.
Batch it in 64.
And with a sub 2% +ve rate at least half the batches only required 1 test.
If you have a positive in the batch you split into 4s and retest 12 times for one positive for example.

With +ve rates hitting something like 20% that scale benefit breaks down and suspect your almost better off testing every sample individually