Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[OATEK]

I have closed my ears and eyes to Service NSW covid alerts - mainly because I got my Moderna booster in time (I knew kids would be prioritised on the 10th) and isolated as much as possible . I note the odds/frequency of generic sms is very high if you go to a big box store or the supermarket. Secondly because monitor for symptoms will not cut it (likely to be the same or less than a cold or flu for many - source John Campbell of UK videos).

If we were into conspiracies, we would feel that there has been an infected person following us into nearly every supermarket we have visited in the last two weeks, and they followed us to Bunnings, pharmacies - no where is sacred!

But of course with the widespread nature of the current Omicron outbreak, reality tells us lots of different people have been following us .

When you get pings for a 3 minute visit to get a pint (sorry litre) of milk, then they do become fairly pointless.

 

[drron]

I have closed my ears and eyes to Service NSW covid alerts - mainly because I got my Moderna booster in time (I knew kids would be prioritised on the 10th) and isolated as much as possible . I note the odds/frequency of generic sms is very high if you go to a big box store or the supermarket. Secondly because monitor for symptoms will not cut it (likely to be the same or less than a cold or flu for many - source John Campbell of UK videos).

I note little information about long covid. Omicron may be mild, but in the numbers game, not all will be so lucky. The age group has now been lowered, and rightly or wrongly, I bag ATAGI when other countries like UK USA and Israel etc approve before they do. I checked their publications :
"It is noted that no published studies that used Pfizer/Moderna as a 3rd dose after a primary schedule of AstraZeneca have been identified.
Almost all studies showed that between 32% and 50% of patients, who were seronegative after 2 primary doses, responded and developed antibodies after the 3rd dose."

Um, some questions about what unpublished reports or data that they used - UK has some good tracking, as does Denmark. India invested heavily in an AZ clone - they invested. China's vaccine effectiveness for Omicron breakthrough appears - hmmm not good. So what does this mean for slated overseas worker arrivals and the overseas education market? Or are we going to accept WHO recommendations, as things stand? (WA being independently minded). I am sure a report called Covid serology levels in Australian risk groups would be a good study worthy of grant money.

ATAGI actually lowered the time between second dose and booster twice before the CDC lowered it.
Almost none of the published studies on AZ show a seronegative rate of 32-50% after 2 primary doses of AZ. You may have left out the fact that those studies were of immunocompromised patients in which all vaccines have a high seronegative incidence.

And the former head of the UK vaccine rollout has come out advising against a second booster for the general public.

End mass jabs and live with Covid, says ex-head of vaccine taskforce

Dr Clive Dix says we should treat the virus like flu

www.theguardian.com

And the UK taskforce has now recommended against a 4th dose for the elderly and compromised patients.

A U.K. advisory panel recommended against a fourth Covid-19 vaccine dose for elderly and at-risk populations, citing evidence that a third shot provides sufficient immunity.

The U.K. Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization advised against the fourth dose after data showed one booster shot — a third dose of an mRNA vaccine — offered enough protection against Covid-19 after three months, according to the Associated Press.

The panel recommended instead that as many people as possible receive a third shot to strengthen protection against infection.


“The current data show the booster dose is continuing to provide high levels of protection against severe disease, even for the most vulnerable older age groups,” said committee chair Wei Shen Lim, according to the AP.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/08/end-mass-jabs-and-live-with-covid-says-ex-head-of-vaccine-taskforcehttps://uk.news.yahoo.com/u-k-government-panel-advises-172545119.html

 

[jakeseven7]

If we were into conspiracies, we would feel that there has been an infected person following us into nearly every supermarket we have visited in the last two weeks, and they followed us to Bunnings, pharmacies - no where is sacred!

But of course with the widespread nature of the current Omicron outbreak, reality tells us lots of different people have been following us .

When you get pings for a 3 minute visit to get a pint (sorry litre) of milk, then they do become fairly pointless.

At this level of prevalence they are just a waste of time and money. Basically people should be assuming it is everywhere given the amount of completely asymptomatic / very mild infection in the community wandering around oblivious...

 

[Lynda2475]

When you get pings for a 3 minute visit to get a pint (sorry litre) of milk, then they do become fairly pointless.

Hence why since they removed the bouncer from the entry to Coles I no longer check in when visiting for less than 2 mins to grab a single item.

 

[oz_mark]

WA Health has reported three local COVID-19 cases and nine travel-related cases

The three local cases are the same cases announced yesterday afternoon, two are linked to the coughburn cluster and the third is a known close contact of a previously reported case.


coughburn being a suburb...

 

[ethernet]

ATAGI actually lowered the time between second dose and booster twice before the CDC lowered it.
Almost none of the published studies on AZ show a seronegative rate of 32-50% after 2 primary doses of AZ. You may have left out the fact that those studies were of immunocompromised patients in which all vaccines have a high seronegative incidence.

And the former head of the UK vaccine rollout has come out advising against a second booster for the general public.

End mass jabs and live with Covid, says ex-head of vaccine taskforce

Dr Clive Dix says we should treat the virus like flu

www.theguardian.com

And the UK taskforce has now recommended against a 4th dose for the elderly and compromised patients.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/08/end-mass-jabs-and-live-with-covid-says-ex-head-of-vaccine-taskforcehttps://uk.news.yahoo.com/u-k-government-panel-advises-172545119.html

I did not mean to mislead, and I am sure you are correct. Thank you. I also think some PBS approvals and delays - well questionable on the small sample sizes. And one knows some 'effectiviness' numbers are supplied - or not, to ATAGI under strict non-disclosure. But I heard a soundbite saying those who got AZ - the delay was borderline.. also However non-drs who read the drivel that hits the press and soundbites, can be excused for thinking Australia is internationally behind our peers - lagging. Sometimes over-reacting - but hey ,the border closures did work when we did not go with the flow - means conformity is not always a good thing. I think we are still working out or guessing long term effectiveness at various levels below 'severe' and adjusting for previously infected.

The only safe conclusion I can make is Omicron, and the inability to widespread test will muddy vaccine rollout schedules and claimed effectiveness going forward, in younger age-groups.

 

[moa999]

When you get pings for a 3 minute visit to get a pint (sorry litre) of milk, then they do become fairly pointless.

I think you get pinged for a 3min visit because they only cross-check on the day.

So even if the infected person visited at 10am and you at 9pm you get the ping.

 

[Lynda2475]

So the various CHOS made the following comments today, from SMH:

NSW:

“You’re particularly at risk of severe disease from COVID if you’re over 65 or have underlying chronic conditions impacting the lung, heart, kidneys, liver; if you have diabetes; or if you have conditions that impact your immune system, what we call immunocompromised,” Dr Chant said. “You are at risk of severe disease, and I can’t urge you more strongly: please come forward and get your booster.”

QLD:

Meanwhile, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer, Dr John Gerrard, said unvaccinated people in the state were “nine times more likely to end up in hospital than somebody who is triple vaccinated”.

“Statisticians have been busy at work, looking at the intensive care units, and what they have found is that if you are unvaccinated in Queensland, you are 24 times more likely to be admitted to a Queensland intensive care unit than someone who is triple vaccinated,” Dr Gerrard said.

Vic:

Brett Sutton “The protection of someone who’s tripled vaccinated compared to someone who’s unvaccinated is several orders of magnitude difference,” he said.

“Someone who’s in their 20s or teens who’s unvaccinated has the same risk of being hospitalised as someone who’s gotten a booster dose or third dose is in their 80s.”

 

[Quickstatus]

So the various CHOS made the following comments

The govt is not going to be able to reach the unvaccinated

The way to reach to unvaccinated is not Govt mandates or govt pronouncements.

Rather it is at the local level through trusted people that can reach across the divide. Coming with empathy, a listening ear and respect is always better than the current attempts which are no more than belittling and mocking these people.

 

[OATEK]

The govt is not going to be able to reach the unvaccinated

The way to reach to unvaccinated is not Govt mandates or govt pronouncements.

Rather it is at the local level through trusted people that can reach across the divide. Coming with empathy, a listening ear and respect is always better than the current attempts which are no more than belittling and mocking these people.

I am sure that will work for some - but just picturing a Piers Corbyn-type responding! We have a local who posted all the stuff about the contents of the vaccine who has gone offline, but is unmoved.

Local hairdresser just tested positive, and has thrown the plans of many in to chaos. These practical examples do have an impact also.

 

[Quickstatus]

unmoved

There are some who will never be moved.

 

[stryker]

Local hairdresser just tested positive, and has thrown the plans of many in to chaos. These practical examples do have an impact also.

My wife has just advised me that her hairdresser has just closed for such a reason. Devastated..

 

[drron]

The govt is not going to be able to reach the unvaccinated

The way to reach to unvaccinated is not Govt mandates or govt pronouncements.

Rather it is at the local level through trusted people that can reach across the divide. Coming with empathy, a listening ear and respect is always better than the current attempts which are no more than belittling and mocking these people.

They are doing this pretty successfully in Tasmania. Note the vaccination rates in their daily summary. Since the border opening they have been going up 0.1-0.2% a day
The vaccination ads have been non confrontational and using different people for different groups. I particularly liked the Grace Tame ad.
The Premier now has a TV ad out explaining the reasons behind the opening up and using stats from the Commonwealth CHO.

So today's stats. At least 1 more admission from today as a patient on my ward tested positive so moved to the covid ward.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Yes, since June 16th, 2021 there was one exception made and just one over 90 year old was admitted to NSW ICU. I will not identify the person but suffice to say - they are a VERY close relation to a person of power/influence.

One rule for the community & one rule for the 'privileged'. A bit like the Immigration Minister exercising his discretion to allow an 'au pair' in when the borders were 'closed'.

Meanwhile 7 over 90 years old were refused access to an ICU bed locally when there were beds available (4 subsequently died) from one large Nursing home I know well. Why refused admission? That is the NSW Government policy, unless you're a close relation of somebody.

Until one over 90 year old who is very close relative of somebody who can pull the strings needs needs ICU attention - ZERO over 90 year olds were admitted previously and none since.

Do you think this is fair or abuse of the system?

This is not correct at all. There is no age limit for ICU admission in NSW.

 

[Spongbob]

Hence why since they removed the bouncer from the entry to Coles I no longer check in when visiting for less than 2 mins to grab a single item.

Ummm, so the NSW health regulations do not apply to you?

Premises where check-in is required​

• retail premises

(Mandatory electronic check-in)

 

[jakeseven7]

Ummm, so the NSW health regulations do not apply to you?

Premises where check-in is required​

• retail premises

(Mandatory electronic check-in)

Along with 75% of Sydney

(I've been in 4 states over the last few weeks and check ins everywhere are abysmal now, completely unsurprising)

 

[Must...Fly!]

They're pointless and I suspect whoever is adult enough to admit it first will gain some respect (except from the covid zero zealots)

 

[N860CR]

They're pointless and I suspect whoever is adult enough to admit it first will gain some respect (except from the covid zero zealots)

To Dom’s credit, he did. Sadly, the Covid Crazies still have too much pull.

 

[drron]

So in the first year of the Pandemic Australian life expectancy increased by 0.7 years for men and women, the highest of any country. Denmark and Norway tied for second with an increase of 0.1 for men and 0.2 for women.

Longer life expectancy in lockdown, ANU claims | Canberra Weekly

Pandemic restrictions have led to longer life expectancy for Australians, a new study from The Australian National University has found.

canberraweekly.com.au

 

[Must...Fly!]

To Dom’s credit, he did. Sadly, the Covid Crazies still have too much pull.

Problem is he got rid of all of it. No problem showing my vaccine certificate to whoever wants, but this check in stuff is nonsense

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So in the first year of the Pandemic Australian life expectancy increased by 0.7 years for men and women, the highest of any country. Denmark and Norway tied for second with an increase of 0.1 for men and 0.2 for women.

Longer life expectancy in lockdown, ANU claims | Canberra Weekly

Pandemic restrictions have led to longer life expectancy for Australians, a new study from The Australian National University has found.

canberraweekly.com.au

So stay at home for your entire life and you'll live longer!