Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[TheRealTMA]

Thanks. Interesting perspective.

Nonsense. Stated as a fact, but just an opinion.

Let’s not bring politics into this, but of course they did. It’s part of their philosophy.

 

[Austman]

Now the ACT government is giving land tax rebates to landlords who give reductions to residential tenants

I have properties in the ACT. I don't think I qualify at all. And my properties in VIC are ineligible too. In VIC they don't even meet the land tax threshold so there's never going to be a rebate.

A bit of a *nothing* gesture by the governments, even if you did qualify. It was never going to be much.

I'm a self managing residential landlord. It's my business and income really.

Not funny when the governments legislate that your tenancy income need not be paid and there's nothing you can do about it.

Until the crisis is over that is... Tenants will still, technically, owe all the rent.

Let's see how that unfolds... Not well, I think.

 

[jakeseven7]

This article was update 15 minutes ago and includes the following (my holding)

NSW Health this afternoon confirmed more cases linked to the pub.

The teenage worker, a close contact of the worker, a Sydney woman in her 40s and a Victorian man in his 20s who both had dinner at the pub on July 3 have all tested positive.

Has the upstream source been found?

No, which is worrying given people movement around Sydney now....

Sydney community transmission outbreak:

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth says anyone who was at a pub at the centre of an outbreak in NSW between July 3-10 will need to isolate for 14 days from the date of their visit, REGARDLESS OF SYMPTOMS OR NOT.

This looks like it is going to be tough to control. 7 days of potential asymptomatic spread...

 

[p--and--t]

How long does that system last? I agree, that sucks big time. It just isn't happening here in SA.

Not all may agree with your perception

Apartment tenants in line for rent discounts as short-stay market dries up

Real estate agents are resorting to discounting to try to secure tenants as COVID–19 hits the apartment rental market.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Pushka]

Not all may agree with your perception

Apartment tenants in line for rent discounts as short-stay market dries up

Real estate agents are resorting to discounting to try to secure tenants as COVID–19 hits the apartment rental market.

www.abc.net.au

New apartments in towers are always problematic in the early days but those don't comprise the backbone of rentals in SA. They are a relatively new player in the market here. A general perspective here.

Adelaide Housing Market Update [video] | June 2021

Adelaide home sales are tracking almost 28% above the five-year average, and homes are selling in just 32 days on average which is the fastest average...

propertyupdate.com.au

 

[nutwood]

So just maybe individuals need to think about the consequences, intended and unintended, of moving in together, into a single bedroom? Goodness, how much do we have to support such decision making?

This is an old question directly relating to why a person's sex life should affect their relationship with their Government.
It'd be very much easier for all concerned if Government departments simply viewed people as individual citizens/taxpayers and backed off from trying to lock financial considerations to bedroom arrangements.

 

[Pushka]

This is an old question directly relating to why a person's sex life should affect their relationship with their Government.
It'd be very much easier for all concerned if Government departments simply viewed people as individual citizens/taxpayers and backed off from trying to lock financial considerations to bedroom arrangements.

Interesting Question but not something to sort out in the midst of a pandemic. It's not the sex involved, or even lack of it but the formation of a household and shared living expenses I'd suggest.

 

[nutwood]

Interesting Question but not something to sort out in the midst of a pandemic. It's not the sex involved, or even lack of it but the formation of a household and shared living expenses I'd suggest.

That's why it's an old question, it shouldn't be based on sex ( or lack of it! ) but the question of shared households seems to be heavily based on relative genders?

 

[jakeseven7]

No, which is worrying given people movement around Sydney now....

Sydney community transmission outbreak:

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth says anyone who was at a pub at the centre of an outbreak in NSW between July 3-10 will need to isolate for 14 days from the date of their visit, REGARDLESS OF SYMPTOMS OR NOT.

This looks like it is going to be tough to control. 7 days of potential asymptomatic spread...

Hate replying to myself but everyone is talking about apartment rents and sex so anyway here is the official advice from the developing outbreak in Sydney:


An additional four cases of COVID-19 have been directly linked to a Sydney pub.

The nine cases now linked to the Crossroads Hotel at Casula include,

• a South Western Sydney teenager who worked at the hotel on several days including 3 July
• a close contact of this worker, a South Western Sydney woman in her 50s
• a South Western Sydney woman in her 40s who had dinner at the hotel on 3 July
• a Victorian man in his 20s who had dinner at the hotel on 3 July

NSW Health is urging anyone who attended the Crossroads Hotel at Casula between Friday 3 July and Friday 10 July to:

• immediately self-isolate until 14 days after they were last there
• attend a clinic for testing even if they have no symptoms
• watch for symptoms and get retested should any respiratory symptoms occur
• even if you get a negative test stay in isolation for 14 days

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So just maybe individuals need to think about the consequences, intended and unintended, of moving in together, into a single bedroom? Goodness, how much do we have to support such decision making?

Pretty unusual circumstance though at present. Just saying it can be hard on some.

 

[nutwood]

Hate replying to myself but everyone is talking about apartment rents and sex so anyway here is the official advice from the developing outbreak in Sydney:


An additional four cases of COVID-19 have been directly linked to a Sydney pub.

The nine cases now linked to the Crossroads Hotel at Casula include,

• a South Western Sydney teenager who worked at the hotel on several days including 3 July
• a close contact of this worker, a South Western Sydney woman in her 50s
• a South Western Sydney woman in her 40s who had dinner at the hotel on 3 July
• a Victorian man in his 20s who had dinner at the hotel on 3 July

NSW Health is urging anyone who attended the Crossroads Hotel at Casula between Friday 3 July and Friday 10 July to:

• immediately self-isolate until 14 days after they were last there
• attend a clinic for testing even if they have no symptoms
• watch for symptoms and get retested should any respiratory symptoms occur
• even if you get a negative test stay in isolation for 14 days

That's really vague information and very much a worry. It suggests a Sydney explosion about to happen. I pass through Sydney on the 15th and again on the 24th. We really need some Federal leadership providing consistent and reliable responses to these outbreaks.
It's really hard to run a business when you're at the mercy of whatever knee jerk reaction a variety of State Governments might produce!

 

[tgh]

Like the inequities of the government income support, there are inequities for the landlords and business owners (perceived as wealthy)
I liken it to the roulette wheel.. some will lose and some will win.
I commiserate with the losers and celebrate with the winners…such is life…

 

[tgh]

From a Federal/National perspective, the celebrations have clearly been premature….to that end the feds and the states have failed to maintain the fear and the social discipline
Folks have relaxed and dropped back into the groove.. the undertow of infection is probably everywhere and we are no longer prepared.
We all must accept responsibility, it is no good blaming Government.
Time to buckle down and survive ...…..

 

[nutwood]

Like the inequities of the government income support, there are inequities for the landlords and business owners (perceived as wealthy)
I liken it to the roulette wheel.. some will lose and some will win.
I commiserate with the losers and celebrate with the winners…such is life…

Nice sentiments until you find yourself in the position of losing a life time's work due to Government vagaries. Business decisions are generally not taken based on a roulette wheel and if they are, the risks are factored into the decisions.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I have properties in the ACT. I don't think I qualify at all. And my properties in VIC are ineligible too. In VIC they don't even meet the land tax threshold so there's never going to be a rebate.

A bit of a *nothing* gesture by the governments, even if you did qualify. It was never going to be much.

I'm a self managing residential landlord. It's my business and income really.

Not funny when the governments legislate that your tenancy income need not be paid and there's nothing you can do about it.

Until the crisis is over that is... Tenants will still, technically, owe all the rent.

Let's see how that unfolds... Not well, I think.

It was very little but just on principle we thought we would apply but got turned down for both schemes. Given we have lost most of dividends as well even a little bit of a rebate on rates would have been helpful. The first one we didn’t qualify for, because our tenant wasn’t residential, the second because our own lease is defined as residential. I must admit when I saw Barr in the paper boasting abound how few people had needed it, so the money was going to be channeled elsewhere I did spit the dummy a bit.

 

[jakeseven7]

Unfortunately another outbreak in SW Sydney... In same suburb as the pub outbreak.... this time in a gym but again the have not been able to identify the source yet... or link it to the pub outbreak

Gladys Berejiklian said the community transmission outbreak in south-western Sydney had put the state on "high alert" and "literally at a crossroads" in its fight against the pandemic

'An evolving situation': Sydney gym closes after member tests positive for COVID-19

Planet Fitness Casula was forced to close for a deep clean on Sunday after one of its members tested positive for COVID-19.

www.smh.com.au

 

[33kft]

Folks have relaxed and dropped back into the groove.. the undertow of infection is probably everywhere and we are no longer prepared.

There are some that would have you believe that the issue is certain people, generally people who fit a distinctly different profile to themselves (ie reside elsewhere, of different faiths, ethnicities or idiosyncrasies) are the reason why this highly contageous virus has spread outside of the containment area they feel is capable of isolating most of a country from an accelerating global pandemic.

In reality it is us, and every time we travel when we don't need to, or we take that unnecessary risk, we risk transferring the virus to other people, entirely unaware that we may have contracted it ourselves. As Victoria, Hong Kong, South Korea and many other countries have proven, they themselves will very shortly find that they must again change their lifestyles, or risk rampant spread and economic damage a-la Sweden.

And when history books are written in the future, they'll highlight the folly of those who thought that 2 months of staying home was enough to rid their little part of the world of a virus with an infection curve which currently resembles the below:

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

That's really vague information and very much a worry. It suggests a Sydney explosion about to happen. I pass through Sydney on the 15th and again on the 24th. We really need some Federal leadership providing consistent and reliable responses to these outbreaks.
It's really hard to run a business when you're at the mercy of whatever knee jerk reaction a variety of State Governments might produce!

I’m not sure what you think is vague.

Essentially isolate for 14 days regardless of test result and get tested regardless of symptoms.

This got national attention within 3 hours. Deputy CMO 3pm conference and likely repeated on each free to air network.

If the spread is only located at Crossroads hotel and it’s patrons then you’ll be fine for the 15th as they all should be still isolating.

We don’t know whether the establishment had a customer list but it should have one as part of the COVIDSafe operations of such an establishment.

Perhaps too logical a process but if each don’t present themselves for testing by say mid next week, then at least enforcement would be able to pinpoint who are the likely recalcitrants ‘eligible’ for follow up.

Then progressively from 18th (14 days after 3/7) people will be allowed back into covidsafe life.

It is southwest Sydney, so I’m not sure where you intend to pass through while you are in Sydney.

Yes there is a risk of further lockdown over the Sydney metro area. But I still feel they won’t take that action until it’s say maybe five outbreaks, which is still a possibility because the upstream link of this outbreak may not yet been conclusively linked to Melbourne/Mitchell or some other pre-existing covid case as at 3/7.

 

[drron]

And this is where their employers need to be severely punished. But because they're forced to get an ABN and act as if they employ themselves then there is a level of deniability to the security company.

And with the work or starve attitude of the Federal government any options of not working are quickly discouraged.

Of course the total failure of the security companies in not supplying PPE or appropriate training is a travesty that has caused serious problems in increasing the spread of COVID-19.

Well HVR why then was an inquiry in the Victorian Parliament into the security industry voted down by the Labor majority in the Upper House.

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And are the Victorian Government unaware of the findings of the Fair Work Ombudsman in 2018 in respect to the Security Industry and under payments.

Participants (such as Councils) within a labour supply chain may be held legally responsible if their principal contractors or subcontractors are not complying with the Fair Work legislation where it can be demonstrated that they had a role to play in those breaches of the law.
That is, it is not just employers who can be held liable for contraventions such as underpayments but also any persons knowingly involved in contraventions may also be found legally responsible. A range of accessories have been held liable in actions taken by the FWO including individuals (accountants, managers, directors, lawyers) or businesses involved in the supply chain. This is known as accessorial liability42, and falls under section 550 [s550] of the FW Act, which provides that a person who is ‘knowingly involved in’ a contravention of a civil remedy provision is taken to have contravened that provision, and is exposed to penalties and other orders flowing from that contravention. A person is ‘involved in’ a contravention if they:
 aided, abetted, counselled, procured or induced the contravention
 conspired with others to effect the contravention
 were in any way, by act or omission, directly or indirectly, knowingly concerned in or party to the contravention.

An Inquiry into the procurement of security services by local governments
June 2018
© Commonwealth of Australia, 2018

So the Victorian government can't say they didn't know of these problems so why did they hire private security firms when other States didn't.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Unfortunately another outbreak in SW Sydney... In same suburb as the pub outbreak.... this time in a gym but again the have not been able to identify the source yet... or link it to the pub outbreak

Gladys Berejiklian said the community transmission outbreak in south-western Sydney had put the state on "high alert" and "literally at a crossroads" in its fight against the pandemic

'An evolving situation': Sydney gym closes after member tests positive for COVID-19

Planet Fitness Casula was forced to close for a deep clean on Sunday after one of its members tested positive for COVID-19.

www.smh.com.au

Would the NSW Premier really have said “literally at a crossroads” so many times today? I know she said it once at today’s 11am press conference, but I highly doubt it would have been a game of “Casula case” ....”at a crossroads”.

Poor journalism perhaps lol

Edit: tomorrow’s NSW figures already has 5 cases from Casula - 4 at the hotel and 1 gym (hopefully linked to hotel).....sigh. By my reckoning, getting towards 20 cases in 4-5 days.