Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Most families have done the right thing. However it is not a matter of being fair, it is just what the data and contact tracing has shown to have occurred.

• Family members who either knew they were positive, or had a test due to suspected being and should have been isolating, knowing participated at family gatherings
• One large family cluster commence at a very large gathering that occurred before the size limits were reduced. ie in breach of regulations at the time
• Many of the clusters when this spike gained momentum aware grouped and labelled as family clusters and spread had been predominately been through through the family.
• The H&M cluster for example was first identified through the store, but it was quickly realised to be primarily a family spread cluster and was then relabelled to be the northern Melbourne Family Cluster.

And with the security guards I am not sure why you believe that they had no symptoms at all. Some of the guards were interviewed and have stated that they were instructed to not get tested.

With the healthworkers not much been revealed in terms of the source of infections , and you will also note that they have not revealed the type of healthworkers in many cases (ie healthworkers include anyone at the facility including cleaners on up). So family spread may well be also what has been the original source of infection in many cases.

I did hear the alleged mindset of security guards encouraged not to get tested.

Your second point seems to be a clear breach.

But the rest has not been proven. Yes it’s been stated that it’s spread through families, but it’s not that clear to me (or I missed that detail in the report at the time) that people have been wilfully ignoring their symptoms v not noticing their symptoms. All I heard is Vic Premier saying words to the effect “pretending that it’s not happening”. It’s not clear which examples that was directed at.

Edit: 3/6 if I remember correctly at Casula is household/family spread. 3 in ACT is household spread.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I did hear the alleged mindset of security guards encouraged not to get tested.

Well it was a recorded live interview with actual guards.

There was also their union rep, though I would place less faith in him.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Today's cases by LGA spread are now out. It shows more spread, including some in regional locations.

Remember though that cases are normally recorded as a person's official residential address and so may not be where the person actually is, or where they were infected.

Cases by LGA - COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Australia

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But the rest has not been proven. Yes it’s been stated that it’s spread through families, but it’s not that clear to me (or I missed that detail in the report at the time) that people have been wilfully ignoring their symptoms v not noticing their symptoms. All I heard is Vic Premier saying words to the effect “pretending that it’s not

You missed the detail then as it was clearly stated by various Vic Gov politicians and health officials.



“We’ve had cases of people gathering in large numbers at their home or another family member’s home … even though they had been told to isolate in their own home. We have even had people who have tested positive and have been told to go home and isolate and instead, they have gone to work. Instead, they have gone and visited loved ones in large numbers,” he said.

“The experts tell us that, largely, the numbers are being driven by families – families having big get-togethers and not following the advice around distancing and hygiene.”

Family celebrations send parts of Australia back into coronavirus restrictions

One million people advised not to leave their suburbs after hotspots emerge in Melbourne caused by birthday parties

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hvr]

And with the security guards I am not sure why you believe that they had no symptoms at all. Some of the guards were interviewed and have stated that they were instructed to not get tested.

And this is where their employers need to be severely punished. But because they're forced to get an ABN and act as if they employ themselves then there is a level of deniability to the security company.

And with the work or starve attitude of the Federal government any options of not working are quickly discouraged.

Of course the total failure of the security companies in not supplying PPE or appropriate training is a travesty that has caused serious problems in increasing the spread of COVID-19.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And this is where their employers need to be severely punished. But because they're forced to get an ABN and act as if they employ themselves then there is a level of deniability to the security company.

And with the work or starve attitude of the Federal government any options of not working are quickly discouraged.

Of course the total failure of the security companies in not supplying PPE or appropriate training is a travesty that has caused serious problems in increasing the spread of COVID-19.

Yes I fully agree, and I would suspect the Security Firm Directors and Senior Managers are most at fault as I would assume that their lust for a quick buck is what most allowed the breaches to occur. If they had of implement their contracts in an ethical manner the various breaches may never have happened.

There are layers of culpability though:

• The section of the bureaucracy that should have been overseeing the contracts, but apparently did not in on all health issues. This may or may not include the DHHS. Invariably if you do not mange contracts properly you will not get the service that you should have.
• The Directors and senior management of the security firms that won the contracts and then outsourced them, and did so without concern to do them appropriately.
• The subcontractors who then took the subcontracts and did so without concern to do them appropriately.
• The employees themselves, who while I am sure were exploited and inadequately trained etc also chose to turn a blind eye and at least some of them indulge in practices that will have known were wrong.
• And quite possibly some of the guests who participated in and perhaps even encouraged some breaches.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The daily Vic DHHS report for 12 July is now out:

My bolding below


Victoria has recorded 273 new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 3799.

The overall total has increased by 239, after 34 cases were reclassified – largely due to duplication.

Within Victoria, 22 of the new cases are linked to outbreaks, 25 were identified through routine testing and 226 are under investigation. No new cases have been detected in returned travellers in hotel quarantine.

There has been one death reported since yesterday, with a man in his 70s passing away in hospital overnight. To date, 24 people have died from coronavirus in Victoria.

In Victoria at the current time:

• 562 cases may indicate community transmission
• 1484 cases are currently active in Victoria
• 57 cases of coronavirus are in hospital, including 16 in intensive care
• 2289 people have recovered from the virus
• Of the total cases, 3415 cases are from metropolitan Melbourne, while 288 are from regional Victoria
• Total cases include 2017 men and 1772 women
• More than 1,125,400 tests have been processed

Public housing outbreaks:

• 237 cases are residents of various public housing towers in North Melbourne and Flemington. Investigations are continuing into how these cases are linked.
• 28 cases are residents of various public housing towers in Carlton. Investigations are continuing into how these cases are linked.

Other outbreaks:

• Four cases have been linked to LaManna Supermarket Essendon
• Two cases have been linked to Linfox Distribution Centre Truganina
• Six cases have been linked to Cenvic Construction Riverina Apartments in Footscray
• 11 cases have been linked to Somerville Meats
• Four cases have been linked to JBS Abattoir in Brooklyn
• Two cases have been linked to Box Hill Hospital
• 11 cases have been linked to Brunswick Private Hospital
• Eight cases have been linked to the Alfred Hospital
• 11 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care Facility.
• 12 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care Facility in Werribee.

I do note the use of "linked to". So that can include family and other contacts and not just the workers themselves.

Health.vic

At the Department of Health, we're focused on supporting Victorians to be as healthy as they can by delivering a world-class health system that focuses on improving patient outcomes and experiences.

www.dhhs.vic.gov.au

PS Just on the Alfred.

Eight healthcare workers at a Melbourne hospital have tested positive for COVID-19, sparking fears of an outbreak.

Alfred Health confirmed on Sunday that five of the cases are not linked and are believed to have been acquired through the community.

While three other colleagues were picked up through contact tracing and asked to self-isolate.

Fears of COVID outbreak at Melbourne hospital as eight workers test positive

The hospital has rolled out new measures to protect staff, patients, and visitors.

7news.com.au

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Today's cases by LGA spread are now out. It shows more spread, including some in regional locations.

Remember though that cases are normally recorded as a person's official residential address and so may not be where the person actually is, or where they were infected.

Cases by LGA - COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Australia

covidlive.com.au

Might be better the active cases LGA table

- COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Australia

covidlive.com.au

so if I got it right Regional Vic
+1 Warrnambool
+1 swan hill
+1 Macedon ranges
+1 campapse
+1 shepparton
+2 bass Coast
+1 baw baw

actually not a good day for regional Vic.

SA and Act have 0 cases today.

 

[moa999]

“We’ve had cases of people gathering in large numbers at their home or another family member’s home … even though they had been told to isolate in their own home. We have even had people who have tested positive and have been told to go home and isolate and instead, they have gone to work. Instead, they have gone and visited loved ones in large numbers,” he said.

I sure hope they are now giving people written Stay at Home orders (in multiple languages) and making people aware of significant financial penalties.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Might be better the active cases LGA table

It depends what you want to focus on. New total cases for the day, or the net cases for the day (ie new cases minus recoveries)

I tend to believe that the newly infected are much more of an infection and spread risk as viral load is greatest early on and so while I look at both I watch those numbers more. Plus they are the ones more likely to have been out and about infecting others as they will have only just found out that they were positive.

 

[jakeseven7]

NSW announce another +4 community transmission from the Casula Pub this afternoon... urging anyone who has been to self isolate.... Wonder if this has got away from them now...

Federal MP self-isolates after dining at Sydney pub linked to nine coronavirus cases

NSW Health confirms nine coronavirus cases are linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney, with an 18-year-old staff member one of those to have tested positive.

www.abc.net.au

Sydney pub cluster jumps to nine

The number of coronavirus cases linked to a Sydney pub has jumped from five to nine this afternoon.

www.news.com.au

As it happened: Victoria records 273 cases and another Melbourne death; Sydney pub cluster rises

A man in his 70s has become the fifth person to die during Victoria's second coronavirus surge, while 273 new infections have been reported.

www.smh.com.au

 

[drron]

Just read that - what a shambles

Indeed what a shambles including the report that a Senior government official was told of the breaches, such as quarantined guests going to nearby coffee shops. and did nothing.
But what truly alarmed me was at the end of the article.

One of Australia’s most respected security firms, Securecorp, was sold to Chinese interests in 2016 for $158 million.

Staff were surprised when a Chinese government delegation arrived and was given direct access to the ultra-secure data room. A data room is not particularly interesting. It has a big machine with a few blinking lights and not much else.

What is in the Securecorp data room computer is interesting – such as CCTV cameras through Melbourne, the MCG security blueprint and data on major government buildings. Oh, and the details of the Australian Electoral Commission.

Lock-down lunacy: How we stuffed it up

One young Pan Pacific Hotel quarantine guest, resplendent in bike shorts, took advantage of a sunny winter’s day to escape and take selfies performing a series of impressive handstands at South Wharf.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Pushka]

And this is where their employers need to be severely punished. But because they're forced to get an ABN and act as if they employ themselves then there is a level of deniability to the security company.

And with the work or starve attitude of the Federal government any options of not working are quickly discouraged.

Of course the total failure of the security companies in not supplying PPE or appropriate training is a travesty that has caused serious problems in increasing the spread of COVID-19.

If these security companies were so bad than why did the Government choose to use them? It also concerns me that the hiring process was flicked over to an Employment Minister and not Health. And given at this time PPE were scarce, then likely as it wasn't needed prior, the Security companies couldn't get stock meaning that it was up to Vic Health to supply them. Oh wait, the job had been flicked over to another Department. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW announce another +4 community transmission from the Casula Pub this afternoon... urging anyone who has been to self isolate.... Wonder if this has got away from them now...

Federal MP self-isolates after dining at Sydney pub linked to nine coronavirus cases

NSW Health confirms nine coronavirus cases are linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney, with an 18-year-old staff member one of those to have tested positive.

www.abc.net.au

Sydney pub cluster jumps to nine

The number of coronavirus cases linked to a Sydney pub has jumped from five to nine this afternoon.

www.news.com.au

Given NSW Healthjust put it out 49 minutes ago on Twitter and out of routine sequence, they might be having second thoughts now and overnight.

PUBLIC HEALTH ALERT Anyone who attended the Crossroads Hotel Casula between Friday 3 - 10 July should immediately self-isolate until 14 days after they were last there, get tested even if they have no symptoms and stay in isolation for 14 days even if your test is negative.

edit: correction - no mention of extra cases after today’s update on their twitter

 

[lovetravellingoz]

NSW announce another +4 community transmission from the Casula Pub this afternoon... urging anyone who has been to self isolate.... Wonder if this has got away from them now...

Well we hope not. It should be quite controllable despite the customer throughput.

But just watching the news at present on the private party last night at Bondi (I am amazed that those attending upload to social media to boast of their exploits!) and other Sydney private party locations. So who knows....

 

[Hvr]

(I am just amazed that those attending upload to social media to boast of their exploits!)

Hopefully it will make contact tracing easier. Some people are so stupid surely it must be easier to let them die?

I was out for my essential shopping yesterday, wearing my mask, and a loud, foul mouthed idiot was walking through the shopping centre screaming profanities about corona virus being an effing hoax and he wasn't worried by it.

Now to be honest, if he contracted the disease it would be, at the best a good learning opportunity or even a chance to rid the world of an idiot. But the people he would infect in between becoming infectious and being isolated would potentially be huge.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW announce another +4 community transmission from the Casula Pub this afternoon... urging anyone who has been to self isolate.... Wonder if this has got away from them now...

Federal MP self-isolates after dining at Sydney pub linked to nine coronavirus cases

NSW Health confirms nine coronavirus cases are linked to the Crossroads Hotel in south-west Sydney, with an 18-year-old staff member one of those to have tested positive.

www.abc.net.au

Sydney pub cluster jumps to nine

The number of coronavirus cases linked to a Sydney pub has jumped from five to nine this afternoon.

www.news.com.au

This article was update 15 minutes ago and includes the following (my holding)

NSW Health this afternoon confirmed more cases linked to the pub.

The teenage worker, a close contact of the worker, a Sydney woman in her 40s and a Victorian man in his 20s who both had dinner at the pub on July 3 have all tested positive.

Has the upstream source been found?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Well as already reported, the public at large rallied around the apartment towers in many ways. Donating food, cooking meals, translating, as volunteer liaisons with the various public authorities, feedback on what was culturally appropriate etc including that the security fence that was put up around the exercise site was not a good idea as it smacked of imprisonment and so was quickly removed..

Pic of the thousands of goods which have been donated to help residents in the Alfred Street public housing tower.(AAP: David Crosling)

 

[Pushka]

Well as already reported, the public at large rallied around the apartment towers in many ways. Donating food, cooking meals, translating, as volunteer liaisons with the various public authorities, feedback on what was culturally appropriate etc including that the security fence that was put up around the exercise site was not a good idea as it smacked of imprisonment and so was quickly removed..

Pic of the thousands of goods which have been donated to help residents in the Alfred Street public housing tower.(AAP: David Crosling)
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So the released residents are now able to come and select the goods? If so, that's a wonderful outcome.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

This article was update 15 minutes ago and includes the following (my holding)

NSW Health this afternoon confirmed more cases linked to the pub.

The teenage worker, a close contact of the worker, a Sydney woman in her 40s and a Victorian man in his 20s who both had dinner at the pub on July 3 have all tested positive.

Has the upstream source been found?

In that article it states:

It was not believed the staff member was the "definitive source" of the outbreak and there were no links to Victorian cases, she (NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant) said.

So no.

So ironically it looks like a Victorian caught the virus at the pub!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So the released residents are now able to come and select the goods? If so, that's a wonderful outcome.

I am not sure about that. The Alfred Street public housing tower is the one in 14 day quarantine, and so I think those particular supplies would be for them only due to the quarantine, and not wanting to risk any further spread.

The charity groups are most likely still assisting the other (released) towers in various ways. This may or may not include access to donated good still, I just do not know.