Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pushka]

And with nurses etc it is not just the breathing. My daughter finds one very difficult aspect is being able to drink when one would like to and regularly. The average person can just take a sip pretty much whenever they like. When on duty she cannot drink except when on break, and never when in a ward or patient areas etc. Plus even breaks are an issue as she has to act as if everyone is CV positive including all co-workers. So she spends much of her shift time feeling thirsty.

My SIL who works as triage in a covid clinic at a public hospital was describing the discomforts that come with this. Getting dehydrated. Trying to stop people handing their forms back directly. People coming too close. Not being able to go to the bathroom as often as usual. Trying to see the clock to write down the time yet vision blurred from ageing eyes trying to focus through the masks, at a distant clock, not touching anything and so on. She developed a rash on her face from the continued mask usage. Trying to safely get the spoiled gear off. Just to get a drink.

 

[Himeno]

And with nurses etc it is not just the breathing. My daughter finds one very difficult aspect is being able to drink when one would like to and regularly. The average person can just take a sip pretty much whenever they like. When on duty she cannot drink except when on break, and never when in a ward or patient areas etc. Plus even breaks are an issue as she has to act as if everyone is CV positive including all co-workers. So she spends much of her shift time feeling thirsty.

Rig up a drinking tube set up like in a space suit.

 

[jakeseven7]

Sydneysiders urged to come forward for testing after numbers drop dramatically

After the state recorded just 12,876 tests in the latest 24-hour reporting period, Dr Kerry Chant said she needed the public's assistance to ensure NSW's cases remain properly traced.

As the day unfolded: Victoria records 439 new COVID-19 cases, 11 deaths as business restrictions come into force; Australian death toll jumps to 232

Victoria recorded 429 new cases on Monday, as details of retail closures as part of Melbourne's stage four lockdown were announced. Two western Sydney schools have closed due to positive cases.

www.smh.com.au

Just spoke to our Sydney team, apparently NSW testing sites are randomly closing early - maybe that is contributing to the low testing numbers?

With unknown source community transmission in the state you think they would be test blitzing?

 

[get me outta here]

Well if Craig Kelly thinks it’s ok to say that Dan Andrews should sent down for 25 years... That sounds pretty miserable to me and okay for Kelly to distract from the misery that many are feeling. I think not.

So, are we having outright political digs in this thread, with bolding? Shall I start with a few about Mr Andrews? No? I think best not as well. It would be a long post and distract from the misery that many are feeling.

 

[Pushka]

So here's a conundrum. Our Premier has just been filmed having a covid test for PR. He is currently down south east after flying in today and shoring up the border in Mt Gambier. Begs the question. He has just had a covid test. No symptoms. Does he now have to isolate until he gets the results?

 

[drron]

So here's a conundrum. Our Premier has just been filmed having a covid test for PR. He is currently down south east after flying in today and shoring up the border in Mt Gambier. Begs the question. He has just had a covid test. No symptoms. Does he now have to isolate until he gets the results?

Not as long as he wears the mask.But If I were him I would have insisted on a test that would have a result within half an hour.

 

[Pushka]

Rig up a drinking tube set up like in a space suit.

Then you have to go to the bathroom. See the problem?

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Not as long as he wears the mask.But If I were him I would have insisted on a test that would have a result within half an hour.

Thats what they use at the FMC when someone from within the hospital comes in for a test. Around an hour.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

the official stats only has the last 2 weeks until 8pm on 3/8.Total unknown transmission for thse 2 weeks 15.

COVID-19 (Coronavirus) - NSW COVID-19 case statistics - up to 8pm 3 November 2020

Sources of COVID-19 diagnosed in NSW in last 24 hours, last 7 days and to date.

www.health.nsw.gov.au

So State Governments can close State Borders because of a previous High Court ruling to override the Constitution in a Public health Emergency but Victoria can not Quarantine anyone in a Public Heath Emergency as they can't override their Bill of Rights.I'm flabbergasted.

Nice, you have the ageing information.

on the NSW daily report, see link for today’s data.

News - COVID-19 (Coronavirus) statistics

Twelve new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in the 24 hours to 8pm last night, bringing the total number of cases in NSW to 3,620.

www.health.nsw.gov.au

it has this table,

Confirmed cases to date:

By likely source of infection	Count
Overseas	2,035​
Interstate acquired	83​
Locally acquired – contact of a confirmed case and/or in a known cluster	1,123​
Locally acquired – contact not identified	376​
Under investigation	3​
Total	3,620​

Counts reported for a particular day may vary over time with ongoing enhanced surveillance activities.

the day before Crossroads Hotel, the count for ‘locally acquired - contact not identified ‘was 361, and under investigation was 0 (zero).

so amalgamating all the information, we can assume the surplus 15 is the same as the last 2 weeks, and there are 3 under investigation.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Just spoke to our Sydney team, apparently NSW testing sites are randomly closing early - maybe that is contributing to the low testing numbers?

NSW TESTS
Daily Tests Conducted

DATE	TESTS	DEL	NET
Wed 29 Jul	1,409,687		18,543
Thu 30 Jul	1,436,834		27,147
Fri 31 Jul	1,462,155		25,321
Sat 1 Aug	1,485,613		23,458
Sun 2 Aug	1,508,040		22,427
Mon 3 Aug	1,526,863		18,823
Tue 4 Aug	1,539,739		12,876

With unknown source community transmission in the state you think they would be test blitzing?

With the initial hotspot suburbs they brought in a massive testing blitz and opened it up to anyone from the hotspot suburbs, rather than just the symptomatic. Despite the vast number of tests they only found 6 positives from all the asymptomatic people tested.

So in general I think that most states will just rely on symptomatic cases presenting apart from special cases such as international travellers, those in high risk environments, including if they are high risk re age or medical history.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Rig up a drinking tube set up like in a space suit.

She has Covid positive patients at times and so would not risk breaking the air seal.

Plus it would be an additional hazard around patients. Not all patients act as one would hope fora variety of reasons and sometimes security guards need to be present. Then you have vary large patients that require multiple people to manoeuvre etc etc.

Plus the hospitals strict protocols would not allow it.

About the only variation the PPE allowed is that many will wear a clip at the the back of their heads so that the two loops of the facemask is held in place not by the ears, but by the clip. This is less painful on the ears from constant wear, but also achieves a tighter face seal. It does make for more marks on the face and nose though.


PS. The "space suit" PPE is only used in particular rooms. No drinking tubes though.

 

[drron]

A sugestion for store owners if they want masks worn in their store.

 

[OZDUCK]

It doesn’t
Only Victoria due to their Charter of Human Rights.
We in home isolation in NSW must exercise in our home or garden.
No going outside in your activewear.

Basically the same in W.A. Can only leave the house to go for medical treatment at a hospital by ambulance or most direct route or to escape an emergency situation and then only to the minimum distance required to be safe and must advise the Police what has happened.

https://www.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/Isolation%20%28Diagnosed%29%20Directions.pdf

Undiagnosed people who have been tested must immediately isolate. (I gather this doesn't apply to people who are part of the random testing being conducted at schools to keep up background research.)

https://www.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/Quarantine%20and%20Isolation%20%28Undiagnosed%29%20Directions.pdf

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Today's Vic DHHS Report:

4 Aug.
My bolding.

Victoria has recorded 439 new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 12,335.

The overall total has increased by 398, due to 41 cases being reclassified – largely due to duplication.

Within Victoria, 63 of the new cases are linked to outbreaks or complex cases and 376 are under investigation.

There have been 11 new deaths from COVID-19 reported since yesterday. They include a man in his 70s, one man and three females in their 80s, two males and three females in their 90s and one woman in her 100s.

All of the 11 new deaths are linked to known outbreaks in aged care facilities. To date, 147 people have died from coronavirus in Victoria.

In Victoria at the current time:

• 2159 cases may indicate community transmission
• 6706 cases are currently active in Victoria
• 456 cases of coronavirus are in hospital, including 38 in intensive care
• 5283 people have recovered from the virus
• More than 1,697,953 tests have been processed – an increase of approximately 21,000 since yesterday

Of the total cases:

• 11,319 cases are from metropolitan Melbourne, while 728 are from regional Victoria
• Total cases include 6038 men and 6193 women
• Total number of healthcare workers: 1242, active cases: 731
• There are 1186 active cases relating to aged care facilities ( My note: 1089 yesterday )

Cases currently linked to public housing in North Melbourne, Flemington and Carlton are as follows:

• 310 cases are residents of various public housing towers in North Melbourne and Flemington. Investigations are continuing into how these cases are linked.
• 68 cases are residents of various public housing towers in Carlton. Investigations are continuing into if and/or how these cases are linked.

Active aged care outbreaks with the highest coughulative case numbers are as follows:

• 142 cases have been linked to St Basil’s Homes for the Aged in Fawkner
• 135 cases have been linked to Epping Gardens Aged Care in Epping
• 110 cases have been linked to Kirkbrae Presbyterian Homes in Kilsyth
• 107 cases have been linked to Estia Aged Care Facility in Ardeer
• 89 cases have been linked to Estia Aged Care Facility in Heidelberg
• 65 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care Facility in Werribee
• 64 cases have been linked to Aurrum Aged Care in Plenty
• 64 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care Facility in Essendon
• 63 cases have been linked to Outlook Gardens Aged Care in Dandenong North
• 56 cases have been linked to BaptCare Wyndham Lodge Community in Werribee

Cases currently linked to key outbreaks are as follows:

• 185 cases have been linked to Al-Taqwa College
• 155 cases have been linked to Bertocchi Smallgoods in Thomastown
• 133 cases have been linked to Somerville Retail Services in Tottenham
• 78 cases have been linked to Australian Lamb Company in Colac
• 74 cases have been linked to Melbourne Health Royal Park Campus
• 37 cases have been linked to Woolworths Distribution Centre Mulgrave
• 25 cases have been linked to Golden Farms Poultry in Breakwater
• 34 cases have been linked to Catholic Regional College in Sydenham
• 32 cases have been linked to the Linfox warehouse in Truganina
• 38 cases have been linked to Nino Early Learning Centre in Bundoora
• 27 cases have been linked to Ingham’s Thomastown

The department is also looking into cases linked to Golf Links Rehabilitation Centre in Frankston, Parkville Youth Justice, Hume Central Secondary College and Lilydale Lodge Supported Residential Services. More information will be available in coming days as investigations continue.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

New Cases today outside of Melbourne GMMA.

Mitchell 2

Greater Geelong 14
Macedon Ranges 2
Latrobe 3
Surf Coast 1
Moira 1
South Gippsland 1
Pyrenees 1

Colac Otway 0 which is good news after the outbreak there.

Comments . Overall that is a reduction in cases. Greater Geelong still going sideways though.

VIC CASES LGA
Tue 4 Aug


VIC ACTIVE LGA
Tue 4 Aug

 

[Pushka]

Is it a reasonable conclusion that if we can keep the virus out of aged care homes, then the death rate would be extremely low?

 

[p--and--t]

Is it a reasonable conclusion that if we can keep the virus out of aged care homes, then the death rate would be extremely low?

From some of the reports that came out of NYC, would appear that is not a safe assumption.

Happy to hear from with those who have relevant stats

 

[Flying mermaid]

ABC had some modelling on what would have occurred without stage 3 lockdown

Forget the depressing daily numbers, Melbourne's stage 3 lockdown averted thousands of cases

Lockdown restrictions in Melbourne during July prevented almost 19,000 people from contracting COVID-19, according to new research from the Burnet Institute.

www.abc.net.au

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Is it a reasonable conclusion that if we can keep the virus out of aged care homes, then the death rate would be extremely low?

I think it’s a numbers game. The more people who get it the more likely vulnerable people who are not really old will die.

 

[RooFlyer]

Don't rely on Parliament to obtain COVID response information in Victoria.

Victoria’s Health Minister has extraordinarily refused to give a verbal answer to a single question during upper house question time in state parliament, as the state faces its worst ever health and economic crisis.

Jenny Mikakos responded to seven questions and their supplementaries during Tuesday afternoon’s Legislative Council sitting by saying she would provide a written answer on Wednesday.

Labor used its numbers in the Legislative Assembly to postpone this week’s parliamentary sitting until September, having last sat in June, citing advice from Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton.

However crossbenchers and the opposition, who between them hold 23 of 40 upper house seats, forced the upper house sitting to proceed as planned.

At least the Parliament in Victoria is sitting, with gritted Government teeth. The Tas Parliament has been mostly shut down, ridiculous given the freedom of virus we've enjoyed. I've said it before - the Tas Premier is enjoying the glow of 'virus free' while not giving the people the freedoms that that should bring.

 

[jakeseven7]

Is it a reasonable conclusion that if we can keep the virus out of aged care homes, then the death rate would be extremely low?

Some of the comorbidty factors in the US are very interesting to pull apart, and with such high community transmission it’s harder for some of the more prevalent vulnerable (eg overweight/obese, diabetic) to shelter.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Is it a reasonable conclusion that if we can keep the virus out of aged care homes, then the death rate would be extremely low?

It would definitely be less but not low and worse than seasonal flu across all age groups. In those with severe disease it’s double the mortality in many age groups including the youngest.
Screenshot from ICNARC data England and Wales ICU.

EDIT: To get into ICU in the UK you need to be pretty well before you become ill and need critical care.
These patients weren’t frail, chronically ill and/or requiring assistance with daily living.