Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[get me outta here]

The Swissotel peeps get out of their incarceration in a day or so. They will be health checked and sent on their way to get home.

""The NSW Police Force is working with travellers to ensure their departure from the hotel is quick, simple and seamless," a police statement said. "Police have been coordinating with the travellers to collate onward travel plans and determine how best to assist their repatriation home, whether in NSW or interstate." "

 

[Pushka]

To be sure a second test probably should be done as some of the tests have a high false negative rate-ie test says negative even though you really are positive.Plus why a second negative test when you have symptoms is much more reassuring than 1 negative test.
The reports of people relapsing or being re infected possibly due to this problem.

I think they were referring to a second test after the first had proven positive to determine whether you'd recovered.

 

[p--and--t]

To be sure a second test probably should be done as some of the tests have a high false negative rate-ie test says negative even though you really are positive.Plus why a second negative test when you have symptoms is much more reassuring than 1 negative test.
The reports of people relapsing or being re infected possibly due to this problem.

A doctor in the US was interviewed who said their experience was a scary 37% false negative and both collection of sample processes as well as testing kits testing had to be improved significantly before there could be any confidence in the testing currently going on.

Of course this could be totally irrelevant for AU if we are using different kits and collection processes.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I know. That's the scary bit. Given that didn't work too well.

?? I think the issue is more that they got infected on the Ruby, rather than that they did not self-isolate on returning home.

I may have missed the reports that they were not self-isolating.


PS: Yes it would have been if they had of been quarantined in Sydney, but that would not have prevented the Ruby Princess passengers who ended up dying, from dying.

 

[moa999]

issue is more that they got infected on the Ruby, rather than that they did not self-isolate on returning home.

Correct.
The decision on the 19th seems to have only infected 15 or so people. They weren't initially told to self-isolate but were within 24-48hrs as results came in, though many had travelled interstate and overseas by this time.

But only stopping them boarding on the 8th would have prevented the 600+ passenger and 200+ crew infections.

 

[Pushka]

?? I think the issue is more that they got infected on the Ruby, rather than that they did not self-isolate on returning home.

I may have missed the reports that they were not self-isolating.


PS: Yes it would have been if they had of been quarantined in Sydney, but that would not have prevented the Ruby Princess passengers who ended up dying, from dying.

We have a positive connected with Ruby but not a passenger from Ruby. Agree, that it would not have stopped those who got it from Ruby and likely deaths.

However a taxi driver in Sydney developed a serious form of Covid having picked up a Ruby passenger to take them home. We have over 80 positives from Ruby passengers and all of them would have flown on a commercial flight and mingled with passengers at the airport and taken some kind of transport home.

Strongly believe that all cruises starting in March should have been cancelled but that's another issue.

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Correct.
The decision on the 19th seems to have only infected 15 or so people. They weren't initially told to self-isolate but we're within 24-48hrs as results came in, though many had travelled interstate and overseas by this time.

But only stopping them boarding on the 8th would have prevented the 600+ passenger and 200+ crew infections.

Unless the crew were infected from the cruise before. And was asymptomatic or very minor. That fact can never be established. But it's Princess here and their record in dealing with this is appalling.

And NZ has a cluster of people who had contact with this cruise.

I just heard. Apparently NSW is no longer referencing links with Ruby because of the criminal investigation. Pathetic excuse.

 

[drron]

We have a positive connected with Ruby but not a passenger from Ruby. Agree, that it would not have stopped those who got it from Ruby and likely deaths.

However a taxi driver in Sydney developed a serious form of Covid having picked up a Ruby passenger to take them home. We have over 80 positives from Ruby passengers and all of them would have flown on a commercial flight and mingled with passengers at the airport and taken some kind of transport home.

Strongly believe that all cruises starting in March should have been cancelled but that's another issue.

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Unless the crew were infected from the cruise before. And was asymptomatic or very minor. That fact can never be established. But it's Princess here and their record in dealing with this is appalling.

And NZ has a cluster of people who had contact with this cruise.

I just heard. Apparently NSW is no longer referencing links with Ruby because of the criminal investigation. Pathetic excuse.

Which is why in many circles the NSW Health Minister is now known as Health Hazzard.

 

[amaroo]

Which is why in many circles the NSW Health Minister is now known as Health Hazzard.

I see the NSW Ports minister is now well and truly in the cross hairs. Payback for his running commentary on the bushfires ?

Discovering the person in the Port authority that changed the decision 5 mins to midnight will be fascinating.

Looking like those rumours about a fed minister and in-laws ..... is Fake News.

 

[Pushka]

Which is why in many circles the NSW Health Minister is now known as Health Hazzard.

I'm interested to find out how the final decision was made. He may not even have been contacted. Doesn't make it any better.

 

[N860CR]

Interestingly.... a whole lot of government employed RNs have been forced onto annual leave (or LWOP - stand-down basically) because a certain major hospital in Sydney is low on patients.

 

[jakeseven7]

Interestingly.... a whole lot of government employed RNs have been forced onto annual leave (or LWOP - stand-down basically) because a certain major hospital in Sydney is low on patients.

Pessimistic: Its the calm before the storm
Optimistic: Over-preparation

My sibling is in same position, in a designated covid hospital, cancelled all elective surgery - and now they have to stand down half their staff because there is NO ONE coming in (which is a good thing i suppose). Hospital is empty.

Victorian ER's were ALL showing GREEN yesterday (basically meaning they can all accept patients, have capacity) and that basically never ever happens from my living memory working with them!

 

[Pushka]

Pessimistic: Its the calm before the storm
Optimistic: Over-preparation

My sibling is in same position, in a designated covid hospital, cancelled all elective surgery - and now they have to stand down half their staff because there is NO ONE coming in (which is a good thing i suppose). Hospital is empty.

Victorian ER's were ALL showing GREEN yesterday (basically meaning they can all accept patients, have capacity) and that basically never ever happens from my living memory working with them!

SIL reported similarly at a major Public Hospital in Adelaide. Clearly a lot of people attend casualty when in reality it's just not warranted. Let's hope this is a positive outcome from all this mess.

 

[N860CR]

Will do

Pessimistic: Its the calm before the storm
Optimistic: Over-preparation

My sibling is in same position, in a designated covid hospital, cancelled all elective surgery - and now they have to stand down half their staff because there is NO ONE coming in (which is a good thing i suppose). Hospital is empty.

Yep that’s about right.

Could well be the calm before the storm... but the days for the storm are fast running out based on the high infection numbers from a week or so ago (should be showing symptoms by now or will do in the next week) and I know of a few who have been stood down from the end of the week.

Given this is supposedly the end of the world , would maybe seem prudent to have a few critical care staff on hand. So much for doctors and nurses being dragged out of retirement!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Victorian ER's were ALL showing GREEN yesterday (basically meaning they can all accept patients, have capacity) and that basically never ever happens from my living memory working with them!

ER's are often clogged up with people seeking a free Doctor's consultation. CV 19 will be scaring them away. Then less people getting injured at night from being out and about and drunk.


Add to that the lack of sporting injuries etc and demand is down. Surprisingly car accidents are still high.


With only 96 (edited as updated from 80) cases nationally today I think it is likely that elective surgeries and the like will be resumed in the near future.

 

[RooFlyer]

Then less people getting injured at night from being out and about and drunk.

Add to that the lack of sporting injuries etc and demand is down. Surprisingly car accidents are still high.

With only 80 cases nationally today I think it is likely that elective surgeries and the like will be resumed in the near future.

I've been wondering about the beneficial side effects of the lock-down. I'm surprised to hear car accident trauma still up.

I think the part of the deal with the Private Hospitals is that they will do the electives from the Public System too, isn't it?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Could well be the calm before the storm... but the days for the storm are fast running out based on the high infection numbers from a week or so ago (should be showing symptoms by now or will do in the next week) and I know of a few who have been stood down from the end of the week.

Only 80 cases today.

By the end of Easter should be even lower. Most new cases then should be those in quarantine from returning travellers to Australia and the occasional air or ships crew (from the air and sea freight which is continuing, and needs to continue).

By end of April one would imagine that various activities that have been ceased or slowed will be allowed to recommence.

Appropriate minimisation strategies to remain.

 

[Pushka]

Only 80 cases today.

By the end of Easter should be even lower. Most new cases then should be those in quarantine from returning travellers to Australia and the occasional air or ships crew (from the air and sea freight which is continuing, and needs to continue).

By end of April one would imagine that various activities that have been ceased or slowed will be allowed to recommence.

Appropriate minimisation strategies to remain.

Layman's interpretation. This is quite good news then?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I think the part of the deal with the Private Hospitals is that they will do the electives from the Public System too, isn't it?

Yes at least in Victoria. But whole wards and even hospitals were being set aside as CV19 zones, and there are very few CV19 patients. Social distancing has succeed ed well beyond what our planners had hoped and the Prime Minister made that comment too yesterday.

Many elective surgeries and treatments were put off too.

 

[RooFlyer]

Unfortunately, Tasmania has had a community 'break-out' - from the NW General Hospital (6 staff infected, plus a few patients etc). Small-ish numbers by national standards, but 9 new cases yesterday, a record for the state, I think.

Lots of warnings about not travelling over Easter. I really hope none of my shackie neighbours come as I'll be torn whether to report them or not. There's only 1 road in north and south, and I expect (hope) the cops will be on it, turning non-residents away.

 

[N860CR]

I'm surprised to hear car accident trauma still up.

Given people have gone insane and won’t walk past each other on the footpath.... I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an increase in people getting hit by cars while constantly crossing the road!