Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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179 cases and 9 deaths in Vic today.



#Covid19VicData for 21 August 2020. There are 179 new cases of #coronavirus (#COVID19) detected in Victoria in the last 24 hours, and an additional 9 deaths reported. We are sending condolences to their loved ones.

More information will be available later today.


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And that was 1 new NSW case out of 32,580 coronavirus tests conducted in the reporting period and they were already in isolation.

Yet despite this, QLD CHO banged on to the media this morning about how concerned she is that Sydney people can travel to Northern NSW (which is none of her business). She has already taken away my ability to visit Qld, she has no jurisdiction or justification to influence my ability to visit the north of my own state, especially given the numbers don't support any such restrictions.
 
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Interesting article about NSW clusters. It does not confirm links between major clusters.


Yup and we have to be prepared for it to keep on popping up as community transmission as a result for months and months to come (perhaps forever until a 100% vaccine), which means unfortunately no QLD travel according to AP's she made up for those living in NSW.
 
Anyone know of a site that tracks active cases over time. I had one that tracked no of active cases, people in ICU and on respirators over time (by state) but they stopped.

Personally I think this is of some value to track but unfortunately all the media seem interested in is new deaths/cases.
 
Yup and we have to be prepared for it to keep on popping up as community transmission as a result for months and months to come (perhaps forever until a 100% vaccine), which means unfortunately no QLD travel according to AP's she made up for those living in NSW.
Are you happy to concede that NSW strategy worked? Or still too early?

I’m happy to say ACT, SA successfully stamped out community transmission (unknown source). Of course we live with a new outbreak emerging everyday, but they controlled what they knew.

Qld have 1 or 2 unknown case, right? NSW has about 12 in the last 14 days (Today’s ageing data to be updated soon)
 
Anyone know of a site that tracks active cases over time.

COVID-19 Case Tracker Australia has current active case numbers.

and

covidlive.com.au if you click through to your states page it has movement over the past week.

For NSW there is history available if you read through the Surveillance Reports: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx lots of insights re clusters over time. Not sure if other states provide this level of detail.
 
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Anyone know of a site that tracks active cases over time. I had one that tracked no of active cases, people in ICU and on respirators over time (by state) but they stopped.

Personally I think this is of some value to track but unfortunately all the media seem interested in is new deaths/cases.
Only over the last week not a longer time frame.
 
Anyone know of a site that tracks active cases over time. I had one that tracked no of active cases, people in ICU and on respirators over time (by state) but they stopped.

Personally I think this is of some value to track but unfortunately all the media seem interested in is new deaths/cases.
This gives you the daily update for Vic


This gives you the daily update for Nsw

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COVID-19 Case Tracker Australia has current active case numbers.

and

covidlive.com.au if you click through to your states page it has movement over the past week.
Those sites are generally good, but on occasions have glitches with their numbers.
 
Only over the last week not a longer time frame.
Yes, that's the problem. Not really long enough for a proper trend analysis. Though its definitely useful info that Victoria's active cases has dropped by over 3000 in the last week., i.e. nearly 40%, but this isn't being reported anywhere.
 
Interesting how over several situations, (VIC, Tas) after a spike, and then a hard lock-down, the # new cases seem to decline gradually rather than dramatically. In the graph in post 6822, the grey curve decline has virtually the same shape as the upslope, maybe a bit steeper, but not greatly so.

The rise reflects relatively unmanaged transmission, but the fall, in theory, shouldn't be the same shape as its being managed. For instance, if the lockdown was perfect, it would be a very steep falling away of the curve (EDIT: after the lag of the incubation period of pre-lockdown infections). Degrees of less-than-perfection will lessen the steepness. So I find it interesting (in an academic sort of way) that the present decline in Vic is almost symmetrical with the increase. Here's the equivalent NSW data, showing the same phenomenon without a hard lock-down. There are far fewer cases, so the conclusions are questionable.


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The NW Tas situation doesn't have enough data points to give a meaningful curve, I think, but may indicate a steeper decline side of the curve (thus arguing against my initial observation). This is raw data, not averages as above.

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Don't worry, this isn't a criticism or comment on the effectiveness of the Vic lock down (its more a theoretical observation) and I know there are multiple factors that will influence the shape of the curve, including test rates, testing spread, delays in reporting etc etc. But those should be largely similar for the upslope as well as the downslope, or perhaps less of a factor in the downslope time frame, in an emergency situation.

Do our medicos say, @drron , @Princess Fiona have any insight into studies or theories on the shapes of infection curves where hard lockdowns have been applied? Should I stick to my day job?
 
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Are you happy to concede that NSW strategy worked? Or still too early?

Concede what? I didn't run for election on coronavirus strategy 😂

But seriously, I actually don't really have a position on what works or doesn't work because it has been proven no 'zero community transmission strategy' (which apparently we are all going for if you listen to Scomo) actually works in the medium / long term anyway.

The virus is going to keep on popping up in the community. Might be tomorrow, might be in 3 weeks, 3 months (like NZ).
 
(not a. Medico)
I'd think it's a combination of variable incubation periods (up to 14 days)
And a lot of intra-household transmission (even in a weld the doors shut lockdown).

So even in the strictest lockdown you might have a 28 day tail. Let people out for shopping, exercise etc and it increases.
 
Concede what? I didn't run for election on coronavirus strategy 😂

But seriously, I actually don't really have a position on what works or doesn't work because it has been proven no 'zero community transmission strategy' (which apparently we are all going for if you listen to Scomo) actually works in the medium / long term anyway.

The virus is going to keep on popping up in the community. Might be tomorrow, might be in 3 weeks, 3 months (like NZ).
Oh ok.

I recalled that for a long while you were of the view repeatedly that NSW needed a lockdown......it looks like NSW can see the light at the end of the tunnel without the need for a second lockdown. Fingers crossed.

Edit: in terms of the National goal, it’s probably more accurate to say zero community transmission is the goal/ideal. That means when a community transmission case appears, action is needed.
 
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Yes, that's the problem. Not really long enough for a proper trend analysis. Though its definitely useful info that Victoria's active cases has dropped by over 3000 in the last week., i.e. nearly 40%, but this isn't being reported anywhere.
(not a. Medico)
I'd think it's a combination of variable incubation periods (up to 14 days)
And a lot of intra-household transmission (even in a weld the doors shut lockdown).

So even in the strictest lockdown you might have a 28 day tail. Let people out for shopping, exercise etc and it increases.
I’m leaning towards moa999 on this, a trend matters less I think on the downward side. The 14 (incubation period) and 28 days (ie active cases) are probably more relevant to Unknown new cases and cases of concern Respectively.
 
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