Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[TheRealTMA]

Yea!

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Seven people onboard construction magnate Mark Simonds’ yacht, which moored on the Gold Coast this week, will be forced into hotel quarantine after their exemption was revoked.

The Brisbane Times reported that Simonds, who is the executive director of Simonds Group, was one of a growing group of high flyers abandoning Melbourne to get out of the stage four lockdown.

The rules in Queensland stated that people who had been on a vessel at sea for 14 days without being in a hotspot would be able to enter without being forced into two weeks’ quarantine.

The Queensland health department says all seven people onboard the Lady Pamela will now be required to quarantine in a government hotel for 14 days after the exemption was revoked.

Queensland Health said in a statement:

Attempting to bypass or manipulate Queensland’s border direction is unacceptable.”

 

[Must...Fly!]

Yes. DYKWIA sorta stuff. Not exactly state-secrets. Some simple questions about travel in WA, asked to all who wish to enter in these COVID times.

Well no. I can't enter the state to be with my family, no matter what.

The constitution states that residence of a particular state should have no bearing on how a person is treated in any other state. There are fundamental rights up for debate here.

Either way the federal court has thrown it out today. Guess he will try his luck at the high court next.

I don't think the federal court 'threw it out'. They were ruling on the facts of the case. The high court gets to decide how the constitution applies to those facts.

@oz_mark is correct, there was no throwing out and no examination of the constitutional issues, simply examination of facts.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Yea!

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Seven people onboard construction magnate Mark Simonds’ yacht, which moored on the Gold Coast this week, will be forced into hotel quarantine after their exemption was revoked.

The Brisbane Times reported that Simonds, who is the executive director of Simonds Group, was one of a growing group of high flyers abandoning Melbourne to get out of the stage four lockdown.

The rules in Queensland stated that people who had been on a vessel at sea for 14 days without being in a hotspot would be able to enter without being forced into two weeks’ quarantine.

The Queensland health department says all seven people onboard the Lady Pamela will now be required to quarantine in a government hotel for 14 days after the exemption was revoked.

Queensland Health said in a statement:

Not sure it’s an exemption. It’s more a legal loophole. The rules say you can/cannot enter depending on where you have been the previous 14 days. They were in a boat off shore......

 

[Pushka]

The constitution states that residence of a particular state should have no bearing on how a person is treated in any other state. There are fundamental rights up for debate here.

Do you know what the constitution says about State Governments refusing their own citizens to return home simply because they have visited another state?

 

[DC3]

We are such a generation of softies. We take so much for granted.

Our forefathers had to deal with much harder times and much less support available to them.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Do you know what the constitution says about State Governments refusing their own citizens to return home simply because they have visited another state?

Unfortunately SA residents in Vic being treated the same as other Australian citizens in Vic.....no entry and constitutionally consistent....sigh.

 

[p--and--t]

Not in reference to any specific post, but I can’t help wondering how people coped during the Spanish Flu.

Maybe, they were able to live life as normal until near the end of their lives if they became ill. No TV/entertainment issues, no stress, no separation from family/friends/work mates.

I think that generation was much hardier than what we are today.

At least they wouldn't have been bombarded 24/7 on TV and/or social media with a constant bad news bent.

One thing in their favour

Not sure it’s an exemption. It’s more a legal loophole. The rules say you can/cannot enter depending on where you have been the previous 14 days. They were in a boat off shore......

If they had been isolated on the yacht for 14 days plus and not interacted with anyone else and submitted to a test, I don't see what the problem is? What if they had driven to the far reaches of NSW, stayed 14 days and then applied to cross into QLD - that would have been allowed AFAIAA

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Well no. I can't enter the state to be with my family, no matter what.

The constitution states that residence of a particular state should have no bearing on how a person is treated in any other state. There are fundamental rights up for debate here.





@oz_mark is correct, there was no throwing out and no examination of the constitutional issues, simply examination of facts.

It will be funny if the fact Mr Palmer did not apply for an entry pass (exemption) is the reason he loses the court case.

Apparently he hasn’t even applied, so hard to say if he is treated the same or different as others.

 

[DC3]

At least they wouldn't have been bombarded 24/7 on TV and/or social media with a constant bad news bent ...

Or, the Masked Singer’s unforeseen hiatus.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

If they had been isolated on the yacht for 14 days plus and not interacted with anyone else and submitted to a test, I don't see what the problem is? What if they had driven to the far reaches of NSW, stayed 14 days and then applied to cross into QLD - that would have been allowed AFAIAA

You would be right if NSW wasn’t a hotspot as Qld views it and all entrants from NSW need to come by airport I believe. Say went to NT for 14 days mandatory paid quarantine...then Qld, then no issue.

 

[DC3]

It will be funny if the fact Mr Palmer did not apply for an entry pass (exemption) is the reason he loses the court case.

Apparently he hasn’t even applied, so hard to say if he is treated the same or different as others.

What, no hard denial of free intercourse?

 

[antycbr]

At least they wouldn't have been bombarded 24/7 on TV and/or social media with a constant bad news bent.

One thing in their favour


If they had been isolated on the yacht for 14 days plus and not interacted with anyone else and submitted to a test, I don't see what the problem is? What if they had driven to the far reaches of NSW, stayed 14 days and then applied to cross into QLD - that would have been allowed AFAIAA

They took their time getting up the coast but from what I can gather someone on the boat went ashore to get supplies at places in NSW which would invalidate the whole exercise, unless the hand offs were contact free - but that would be subjective. If they’d gone out to sea off Coolangatta for 2 weeks that would be clearer.

 

[Austman]

If they had been isolated on the yacht for 14 days plus and not interacted with anyone else and submitted to a test, I don't see what the problem is?

One question must be how did they get to leave Melbourne under stage 4 lock-down travel restriction rules? When most of us are "stuck" in our homes except for 1 hour/day and with limited excuses to travel more than 5km.

A spokeswoman for the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services said the public health advice for Melburnians was clear.

"You should not be travelling interstate unless it is for a permitted reason and you must comply with the rules that your destination state or territory has in place," the spokeswoman said.

"Regardless of the mode of transport, metropolitan Melbourne stage four restrictions apply to all metropolitan Melbourne residents."

The directions allow people to leave their home for the purposes of moving to a new home, or to leave Victoria to reside in another state.

Seems you can simply claim you are moving to another state? I wonder how hard/easy that is to establish? Could you just eg sign a lease? That would be easy for many.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

One question must be how did they get to leave Melboune under stage 4 lock-down travel restriction rules?

A spokeswoman for the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services said the public health advice for Melburnians was clear.

"You should not be travelling interstate unless it is for a permitted reason and you must comply with the rules that your destination state or territory has in place," the spokeswoman said.

"Regardless of the mode of transport, metropolitan Melbourne stage four restrictions apply to all metropolitan Melbourne residents."

The directions allow people to leave their home for the purposes of moving to a new home, or to leave Victoria to reside in another state.

Seems you can simply claim you are moving to another state? I wonder how hard/easy that is to establish? Could you just sign a lease?

But that’s for Vic to resolve, not Qld. And yes, they signed a lease for a property in Qld

 

[Austman]

And yes, they signed a lease for a property in Qld

Indeed they did. I just read that.

That's a bit of a "loophole" then to escape Melbourne stage 4 lockdown? Even to elsewhere in Victoria outside the stage 4 area. If you have the funds it seems easy to do if you wanted to. Just sign a lease and move? No problem if you are rich enough...

 

[TheRealTMA]

Indeed they did. I just read that.

That's a bit of a "loophole" then to escape Melbourne stage 4 lockdown? Even to elsewhere in Victoria outside the stage 4 area. If you have the funds it seems easy to do if you wanted to. Just sign a lease and move?

So one has a lease on a property in a state you are forbidden to enter? It’s just money which they have buckets of, so, you shouldn’t be permitted to abuse quarantine rules just because you have buckets. Now if they did something useful like kick a pigskin or coach a pigskin ball team, or be a celebrity on some silly masked singer program who says she is claustrophobic and a NLT, no problem. After all Peter Fox another one while a two year old with heart surgery is not applicable.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Slightly off topic, but you can’t outrun COVID...he was an Australian resident for a short period ....lol

Usain Bolt tests positive for coronavirus after huge surprise birthday party

Sprint legend Usain Bolt has tested positive for the deadly coronavirus after undergoing a COVID-19 test.

www.news.com.au

 

[DC3]

Slightly off topic, but you can’t outrun COVID...he was an Australian resident for a short period ....lol

Usain Bolt tests positive for coronavirus after huge surprise birthday party

Sprint legend Usain Bolt has tested positive for the deadly coronavirus after undergoing a COVID-19 test.

www.news.com.au

... and checkout all those COVID precautions being taken, as shown in the party snaps.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

... and checkout all those COVID precautions being taken, as shown in the party snaps.

Well it shows you how fast the virus can spread. Even Usain Bolt cannot outrun it

 

[dajop]

That's a bit of a "loophole" then to escape Melbourne stage 4 lockdown? Even to elsewhere in Victoria outside the stage 4 area. If you have the funds it seems easy to do if you wanted to. Just sign a lease and move? No problem if you are rich enough...

Yes, but in closing this loophole you could then create all sorts of issues for people who are legitimately moving into regional Victoria or interstate. Where is the line? What amount of energy does it take in the pursuit of that line?

Somehow, people still suffer under the illusion that Australia is an egalitarian country. It might well be, relative to many other countries, but in a capitalist society, money talks.