Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Not sure aout others, but when looking to book a hotel in a Aus capital city I'd like the option of filtering out any venue that is also taking quarantine guests.

In early days there were both regular guests and overseas arrivals all staying at the Swiss-Otel in Sydney, with states opening up i would think it would be a selling point to know which properties to avoid.

We all know hotel cleaning can be lax at the best of time, Id be worried re sharing air con, lifts etc or potentially staying in a rom which hadnt been disinfected properly.
 
4 local cases in NSW and 5 hotel from 17k tests

All 4 are linked to each other, but the source is under investigation. Southern Highlands area (Moss Vale).

So possibly a new mystery case area.

Oh no surely not another mystery case :(
This will jettonise the chance of December travel to/fro QLD if so :(
They have 48 hours to find the source I think...
 
I dont think anyone in Sydney actually believes Qld will open the border come Dec even if we have zero cases every day between now and then (which we wont).

Today new Moss Vale cases are under investigation, not conisdered Mystery case yet.
 
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The 'what went wrong in Victoria and how not to repeat it' will be in the Final Report (prelim rpt p. 9), released in the days before Christmas ;) .

26. Due to the established link between the second wave of COVID-19 cases and the outbreaks
from the Hotel Quarantine Program, this Inquiry was established on 2 July 2020 to examine
a range of matters related to the program, including:
• decisions and actions of government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors
• communication between government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors
• contractual arrangements
• information, guidance, training and equipment provided to personnel in hotels
• policies, protocols and procedures.
27. These are the matters that will be the substance of the Final Report.
 
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Its good that Ms Coate has released the positive findings and recommendations first. The 'what went wrong in Victoria and how not to repeat it' will be in the Final Report (prelim rpt p. 9), released in the days before Christmas ;) .

26. Due to the established link between the second wave of COVID-19 cases and the outbreaks
from the Hotel Quarantine Program, this Inquiry was established on 2 July 2020 to examine
a range of matters related to the program, including:
• decisions and actions of government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors
• communication between government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors
• contractual arrangements
• information, guidance, training and equipment provided to personnel in hotels
• policies, protocols and procedures.
27. These are the matters that will be the substance of the Final Report.

Wow earth shattering findings, how much did this cost again? ;)
 
Looking again at the Prelim Report I quoted above, p. 9.

26. Due to the established link between the second wave of COVID-19 cases and the outbreaks
from the Hotel Quarantine Program, this Inquiry was established on 2 July 2020 to examine
a range of matters related to the program, including:
• decisions and actions of government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors
• communication between government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors
• contractual arrangements
• information, guidance, training and equipment provided to personnel in hotels
• policies, protocols and procedures.
27. These are the matters that will be the substance of the Final Report.


... now I am reminded of the actual terms of reference, quoted in the back of the Prelim report. So the matters commanded to be investigated were not so much "including" what is listed above, as the prelim report says, so much as virtually ONLY those matters:

Appendix C: Terms of Reference
You are required to inquire into, report and make any recommendations considered appropriate
in relation to the following terms of reference:
1. The decisions and actions of Victorian government agencies, hotel operators and Private Service
Providers, including their personnel/contractors and any other relevant personnel involved in the
Quarantine Program (each Relevant Personnel), relating to COVID-19 Quarantine Containment;
2. Communications between Victorian government agencies, hotel operators and Private Service
Providers relating to COVID-19 Quarantine Containment;
3. The contractual arrangements in place across Victorian government agencies, hotel operators
and Private Service Providers to the extent they relate to COVID-19 Quarantine Containment;
4. The information, guidance, training and equipment provided to Relevant Personnel for COVID-19
Quarantine Containment and whether such guidance or training was followed, and such equipment
was properly used;
5. The policies, protocols and procedures applied by Relevant Personnel for COVID-19
Quarantine Containment; and
6. Any other matters necessary to satisfactorily resolve the matters set out in paragraphs 1 to 5.

All backwards-looking, trying to find out what happened. So what's this prelim report about - not so much about its Terms if Reference, it seems? If the government had wanted an inquiry into the best ways to manage an outbreak, including quarantine structures, wouldn't they have constituted the inquiry differently and called epidemiological experts etc, rather than bureaucrats ? Take this recommendation:

Period of quarantine
32. A 14-day period in quarantine is appropriate, unless the current state of expert opinion changes,
or as otherwise directed by the Chief Health Officer or their delegate.

See any connection to the Terms of Reference?

So its additionally funny that the Terms of Reference specifically mention ' Communications between Victorian government agencies, hotel operators and Private Service Providers relating to COVID-19 Quarantine Containment' ... yet didn't ask for telephone records until goaded into it by Peta Credlin's reporting.
 
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Victorian Contract Tracing has been of interest to many in this thread and so it is notable that cases under investigation dropped to zero yesterday.

It peaked on 5 August at 3569 cases under investigation.

It was last at zero way back on 26th May, though of 7&8th June it was 1.

With the exception of 26th May it has not been at zero since the pandemic started in Victoria.

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I dont think anyone in Sydney actually believes Qld will open the border come Dec even if we have zero cases every day between now and then (which we wont).

Today new Moss Vale cases are under investigation, not conisdered Mystery case yet.

Lets hope they track down the source, they have about 36 hours now... surely it can't have leapt from SW Sydney in a way that couldn't relatively easily be tracked.... W & SW Sydney is really holding everyone back (literally the whole country), if only they could just test everyone there and root it out :(

I actually think QLD will open to VIC before NSW now after today's press conference. The QLD government seems a lot 'warmer' to VIC and also reaffirmed they will be open to VIC before Xmas but there was no comment on NSW....
 
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I dont think anyone in Sydney actually believes Qld will open the border come Dec even if we have zero cases every day between now and then (which we wont).

Today new Moss Vale cases are under investigation, not conisdered Mystery case yet.
QLD Premier giggles to herself after every end of month dismissal of Sydney.
 
Tas Premier Gutwein announces a further trickle of easing:

Tasmania will further relax COVID-19 restrictions ahead of summer, [from Nov 13] allowing “vertical drinking” at outdoor venues and Christmas parties with up to 40 guests.

Premier Peter Gutwein also on Friday announced Tasmanians returning from Victoria would be able to quarantine at home, rather than in government-run hotel isolation.

He also flagged potentially bringing forward – from December 1 – the abolition of all quarantine requirements on arrivals from Victoria.


And about time:

As well, cafes, pubs and restaurants would be required by law to keep a record of patrons’ names, telephone numbers and time of visit.

Mr Gutwein said a further legal requirement would prevent venues using this information for any purpose other than to provide it to public health officials for contact tracing.
 
Lets hope they track down the source, they have about 36 hours now... surely it can't have leapt from SW Sydney in a way that couldn't relatively easily be tracked.... SW Sydney is really holding everyone back (literally the whole country), if only they could just test everyone there and root it out :(

I actually think QLD will open to VIC before NSW now after today's press conference. The QLD government seems a lot 'warmer' to VIC and also reaffirmed they will be open to VIC before Xmas but there was no comment on NSW....
I've heard there's a fair amount of frustration within NSW Health as to the lack of cut-thru with the wider population in W and SW Sydney as to getting tested. When the inevitable messages come out about making sure you test if you have ANY symptoms there's spikes in testing in areas such as North Shore and Eastern Suburbs, despite a lack of cases there, and not as much of a spike in W and SW. Of the 8 metropolitan Local Health Districts across Sydney, SW Sydney are ranked 4th for testing rates in the past 2 weeks and W Sydney is ranked 5th. The reality is, NSW don't have a tracing problem, they have a testing problem.

In comparison, I doubt that Victoria are going to have a testing problem for the rest of the pandemic so their results are going to be more robust going forward. If they are not already there, they are well on the way to elimination, whether that's their strategy or not. That leaves NSW the odd one out.
 
Cmon NSW please get W and SW Sydney under control :)


Deleting the cases that are overseas acquired or from interstate travel, NSW is still having on a regular bases an unknown source case bob up which then creates other cases. The completely unknown is the degree of other people who are infected and who either just do not get tested, or who are asymptomatic and so do not realise that they are spreaders. With few restrictions, including mask wearing, in place relying primarily on contact tracing to try and stamp out these unknown transmission chains seems to be a very slow and difficult process.

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On NZ's rule of no community transmission for 28 days - it looks as if the travel bubble may be more of a pipe dream.

Now that the Qld election has been & gone, perhaps the political battle can be paused and commonsense prevail - such as a trial of mandatory masks in states where community transmission has occured in the last 60 days (say). In other words NSW makes it mandatory in an attempt to kill off the CV in the wild.
 
Experts think VIC may have accidentally achieved ‘eradication’... or at least a level of deep suppression that is much lower than people hoped.... nation wide deep deep suppression might actually be an option if NSW got really serious about Sydney.....

I was thinking, why couldn’t NSW do a MASSIVE testing blitz in W and SW Sydney - like the VIC rapid response model.... Just descend on the suburbs and root it out.

Even pay people in W and SW Sydney to come get tested?? Make masks mandatory in indoor spaces etc. Just go for it.

Too politically unappetising for NSW? I know they’ve had problems in W and SW Sydney from the start of the second wave.... maybe they don’t think they will get community support....
 
A positive case was detected late yesterday in Vic, however it has been deemed to have been an older shedding case and so has not been included as a new daily case.

Aged care case who has previously tested positive and who was currently in hospital. It was picked up by a routine swabbing process at the hospital. It is not considered to be a new positive case, but will be treated as one (as in contagious) to err on the cautious side.
 
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Not helping SW / W Sydney’s effort to find out where these cases are. Hopefully this scares some more people into line...

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Government inspectors find 94 COVID-safe breaches across a variety of venues in Sydney's south-west, including a lack of a COVID-safe plan, no contact details being recorded and no physically distanced seating.

 
Today's new NSW case:

The new case is a household contact of a confirmed case in Moss Vale in the Southern Highlands.

There are now a total of five people associated with the Southern Highlands cluster after four new cases were identified yesterday.


 
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