Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[justinbrett]

We are going to lose more people to hypertension than covid with the responses we’ve seen in the last 24 hours.

 

[drron]

Is the one case a resident? if so, hopefully moved immediately to a hospital.

Most people who live in retirement villages are living in their own unit/home.This would certainly be the case on the northern beaches of Sydney.no need to move them to hospital.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Most people who live in retirement villages are living in their own unit/home.This would certainly be the case on the northern beaches of Sydney.no need to move them to hospital.

Is this one a retirement village? I thought it was a nursing home in the vein of Newmarch etc

 

[Lynda2475]

No Mr Hunt said NO RESIDENTS in aged care (i.e. nursing homes) have tested positive. (Newmarch was an aged care facility not a retirement village. ,

As Dr Ron stated at retirement villages, people live independtly in their own homes often in a gated community with shared leisure facilities.

Dont be confused with aged care worker who was diagnosed 2 days ago, who is in home isolation now.

 

[drron]

Is this one a retirement village? I thought it was a nursing home in the vein of Newmarch etc

Retirement villages can be co located with a nursing home but are separately run.The Minister did say a retirement village I believe.

 

[Lynda2475]

The Victorian update today, confirmed what Brad Hazard said that they too will be limiting foreign air crew to a significantly more limited number of supervised quarantine hotels.

Seems airlines were quite demanding re the the class and facilities offered by the hotels. In some cases it may be because the airline owns a stake in or has a deal with particular brand, and paying to stay elsewhere may increase their costs.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Victoria just announced border closure (no entry) to Northern Beaches and other hotspot venue patrons from midnight tonight.

Start your engines ...

 

[N860CR]

Seems airlines were quite demanding re the the class and facilities offered by the hotels. In some cases it may be because the airline owns a stake in or has a deal with particular brand, and paying to stay elsewhere may increase their costs.

Airlines also have set requirements for hotel facilities etc for crews. It’s quite an elaborate process to select a crew hotel.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Retirement villages can be co located with a nursing home but are separately run.The Minister did say a retirement village I believe.

Not always separately run.

My brother owns his own unit in a retirement village, and the company that runs the village also runs the aged care facility which is also located there.

The aged care facility is actually located on one end of the retirement village's clubhouse.

The same company also provides services to those in the retirement village.

Some like maintenance and gardening is included.

Others like nursing services (such as monitoring daily medication) are optional, but the medical staff service both the village and the home.

The kitchen that supplies the Retirement Village restaurant also services the aged care facility.

 

[RAM]

No,you are misrepresenting things I think. Almost double the 14,000 who originally registered have returned to Australia. The Government has seen the repatriation of everyone numericallywho expressed interest in returning, via registration and ( not part of the quote) has seen return almost double that amount.

Incorrect.

In the article I provided the link to some posts ago, DFAT states that around 14,000 people who registered with DFAT have made it back to Australia (since June 8th).

I am sorry if this does not suit your narrative, you seem to hold the view that misrepresentation is when the factual figures don't match your narrative.

Just like Scomo, who in September, said they'd bring back all those who wanted to return by Xmas. The facts don't match his narrative either. They haven't been brought back, and will not be by Xmas.

I ask the same as before. How do you propose the government confirs " priority" on any of its citizens who don't let them know they want to return?

Which I have answered or posted without being asked 17 times since June. Very easily.

Just like the Fed Govt introduced new rules for entry into Australia in late March, the Federal Govt could introduce a new rule that only Australians registered with DFAT will be provided entry into Australia.

Or perhaps to cater for 'essential' but very limited foreign national entry - "That 90% of passengers carried by any flight into Australia must be registered with DFAT, the other 10% may be made up of additional Australians registered with DFAT wanting to return OR essential workers who are foreign nationals (not the 700 different occupations such as private dance teachers, airline attendants or dog grooming staff).

If an Australian wants to return - then they can obtain priority simply by registering. Those who have been on the list the longest get first access. Solved.

If someone cannot be bothered to register then that is on them.

Does DFAT or the government say or spin that registering confers priority? This is what your DFAT link says:

Registering your details with DFAT does not guarantee we can facilitate your return to Australia. However it does help us better understand who's seeking to return home and how we can be most effective in helping.

So, it looks like the opposite of what you say. Can you show where priority is promised to registrants, spin or no spin?

Oh, and if you quote me, please don't modify the quote unless you note the modification.

Please do not continually attempt to twist what I have posted. The Government has repeatedly stated that Australia's international border is closed to foreign nationals. They do not then go on to say (in the same media briefings) that there are over 700 exceptions to this rule - foreign nationals who are allowed access to Australia.

It is the Prime Minister who promised Australians, wanting to come back home, priority. Just another one of those broken promises.

The 'official statement' by Scott Morrison back in March was that '...only Australian citizens will be permitted entry into Australia.' That has been shown to be patently false. Does that not mean that Australians get 100% priority over foreign nationals et al?

Since the media took up the issue in July, the Federal Govt has made a number of similarly 'spin without substance statements' - such as Scomo's September 'we will bring them all home by Xmas.'

Initially the Federal Govt tried to blame the foreign airlines for cancelling flights/seats. Then the truth emerged but not with blanket media coverage - that the foreign airlines were only provided notice of how many passengers they could bring in on the flight regularly with under 2 hours prior to departure. Two airlines stopped flying passengers into Australia as a result - still operating flights in/out but only carrying outbound passengers as well as freight both ways.

Fed Gov actions have never matched the spin.

Much like Q's actions. Q has repeatedly claimed since late June of operating over 100 repatriation flights. The trouble is that DFAT lists Q as having provided fewer than 20 for the same time frame.

Q's definition of repatriation flight is any international flight operated by Q since March 27th either on a fully commercial basis or on a flight organised/assisted by DFAT. Q counted all their regular scheduled flights through until they ceased flying on June 8th. VA on the other hand did not count their commercial flights that way.

Using Q's spin definition would mean that Qatar Airlines has operated over 1,000 repatriation flights for Australia and there have been over 10,000 repatriation flights.

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More recently the Federal Govt tried to deflect criticism of why ex-Liberal MPs had been able to repeatedly leave & return to Australia sonce March 27th, sometimes as the only passenger on a jet. Scomo responded by saying that Kevin Rudd had done the same - so 'nothing to see here'.

Later he was forced to admit that he made it up about Kevin Rudd - who has not left/entered Australia this year. Still not answered the original question though.

 

[Lynda2475]

And there are also many retirement villages and over 55 communities that have no aged care / nursing facility at all. Although some residents may have an independent home care arrangement.

My grandmother lived in a council owned retirement village, other than a care taker who worked onsite when things needed fixing there was no onsite nursing staff and no nursing home component. If a resident coudl no longer care for themselves they needed to give up their lease and move to a nursing home.

 

[james4321]

It was raised last Friday as per above but dismissed.

With hindsight - incompetence?

 

[RAM]

Not correct. The Tasmanian overseas workers program is organised by the Tasmanian government and its not part of the Australian government repatriation scheme. No one is being displaced by the Timor Leste and Tongan flights. The Tas govt only agreed to any international flights about as month ago if foreign workers were to the fore. No foreigners, no Australians to Tas.

There are many more Australians wanting repatriation from India than any other country. So why would you characterise the flight as a PR exercise?? ?

Spin and twisting again.

The Federal Govt controls the international borders & approved foreign workers being brought in ahead of 'vulnerable Australians' = FACT.

That it does not suit your narrative is also a fact.

The Tasmanian hotel quarantine capacity for international arrivals is 100% used up by the foreign workers' flights.

There are many more Australians wanting repatriation from India than any other country. So why would you characterise the flight as a PR exercise?? ?

The media only turned out to cover the first international arrivals' flight.

I don't think the media articles would have been quite so positive for either the Federal Govt or the Tasmanian Govt if 150 fruit/veg pickers from Tonga were on it.

"Hollow promise to bring vulnerable Australians home come distant second to fruit picking foreign workers"
"Tens of thousands of stranded Australians left behind in rush for foreign farm workers."

Complete with cuts to mother with 4 young children crying in London.

Of course neither the Federal nor Tasmanian Govt would entertain such a 'PR exercise'. How could I be so wrong

 

[justinbrett]

WA not implementing a hard border with NSW. SA had fewer cases they did it to them.

 

[drron]

The repatriation flight from India operated by QF still has all it's pax in hotel quarantine in Hobart.It is also 4 of those pax that are in the medi hotel.
The Federal government wanted Tasmania to take repatriation flights.The Tasmanian government though was facing a lot of criticism over the lack of farm workers to harvest the berries and cherry crops -both substantial money earners for Tasmania.Hence the price for accepting repatriation flights was for the feds to allow foriegn worker flights.These are not paid for by the Federal government.Indirectly of course the majority of the tasmanian governments money does come from the feds.
As of course it is also the largest component of receipts in WA from the Government papers released last week by their Treasurer.

 

[RAM]

WA not implementing a hard border with NSW. SA had fewer cases they did it to them.

Perhaps the differing factor was that SA also shut down their own state due to the outbreak. Whereas the NSW response has been to 'ask' people to stay home if possible.

Shame that none of the journalists asked why if the only problem with the International Air crew was compliance - then why wouldn't that be the exact same problem faced by 'asking' Northern Beaches residents to stay home if possible?

Just like, what was broadcast as I type with Gladys saying people 'should' wear a mask on public transport - people should also not speed, drink & drive, commit murder etc etc - but a small minority do consistently.

Why would CV compliance be any different? After all, in Sydney it hasn't been to date.

 

[jase05]

13 international airline crew fined for failing to self-isolate while in Sydney​

Thirteen airline crew who arrived in Sydney aboard a flight from South America have each been fined $1000 for allegedly failing to follow orders and self-isolate.

NSW Police said they were alerted on December 5 that a crew member on the LATAM Chile flight had left his accommodation at Mascot in breach of the Public Health Order.

After police attended the hotel they discovered several other crew members had also left the accommodation and attended businesses nearby.

Thirteen crew have now been issued with the $1000 fines for failing to comply with self-isolation ministerial directions.

 

[RooFlyer]

In the article I provided the link to some posts ago, DFAT states that around 14,000 people who registered with DFAT have made it back to Australia (since June 8th).

I am sorry if this does not suit your narrative, you seem to hold the view that misrepresentation is when the factual figures don't match your narrative.

I don't have a "narrative". I'm just putting forward an opinion and correcting some views I think exaggerated or misconstrued. and, per the below, perhaps in ignorance of some important facts.

And I am agreeing re the 14,000!! How's that for a 'narrative'? Its just that in the end there were almost double that early estimate. But there you go.

As to the rest ... do you have a TL: DR version?

Spin and twisting again.

The Federal Govt controls the international borders & approved foreign workers being brought in ahead of 'vulnerable Australians' = FACT.

That it does not suit your narrative is also a fact.

The Tasmanian hotel quarantine capacity for international arrivals is 100% used up by the foreign workers' flights.

How can I put this politely?

* * * * , or nonsense.

Yes, the Fed Govt controls international borders, but the number of international arrivals is constrained by the number of quarantine beds put up by the states. You must know that? Surely? You must know that the hotel capacity mandated by the states is the cap on international arrivals, registered with DFAT, or not. But by what you have posted, it seems not. In the absence of this knowledge the entire discussion is pointless.

And NO, the Tasmanian hotel quarantine capacity is demonstrably NOT used up by foreign workers' flights. Right now there are NO foreign workers in hotel quarantine in Tasmania - NONE. The East Timorese are out and about, and the Tongans are yet to arrive. The only pax in hotel quarantine are those arrived on the repatriation flight from India. How's that for a 'narrative'?

The media only turned out to cover the first international arrivals' flight.
I don't think the media articles would have been quite so positive for either the Federal Govt or the Tasmanian Govt if 150 fruit/veg pickers from Tonga were on it.

Huh? Of course it would. The foreign workers are desperately needed in Tas, and elsewhere. We love out cherries for Christmas. Hundreds of farmers are relying on the East Timorese, Tongans and anyone else who want to come. No foreign workers, the crops will rot on the trees. Of course its a welcome story.

NO ONE from India or anyone else would have arrived in Tas without the foreign workers. So the arrival of foreign workers contributed to a net positive of Australians able to be repatriated.

BTW, can you name the nationalities of the FIRST international flight of foreigners that few into Tasmania recently? From Europe. How does that fit into the narrative?

 

[Lynda2475]

Both WA and Tas Premieres grilled quite a bit today as to why their reaction to NSW has differed from SA.

 

[JessicaTam]

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