Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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All the CHO's freely make available the genomic results to each other. Indeed I think they there is now a national database that they all access.

Yes but that isnt public. I havent seen any other state asked about the new UK strain and provide details.

A reporter did just ask ScoMo and ScoMo also said no plans to cancel flights from UK due to new strain.

As Prof Kelly has now formally been appointed CHO, it was good to see him contradict Norman Swan and say there is at this stage no need for Sydney to lock down outsode the Northern Beaches.
 
We had a night booked at the Sydney Novotel International Airport Hotel on Christmas Eve before our SYD-WGA flight on Christmas Day. Obviously we were going to cancel but the hotel just called and said they have canceled for us as the NSW government has closed the hotel as its being used for International air crew quarantine
 
It is good to see confirmation that the air crew hotel is an airport one and not a city one!
 
It is good to see confirmation that the air crew hotel is an airport one and not a city one!
I wonder what complaining we will hear about the "quality" of the Novohell? perhaps the common facilities such as gym, pool and bars are inferior (noting that the crew should not see anything other than reception, lift, corridor and room, and reverse when departing).

The best attribute of this new property is the police car at the front.
 
Dr Norman Swan has told RN Breakfast there is no question NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian should put Sydney into lockdown and make masks mandatory.
Well, that provided this morning's dose of levity for me ( given Swan's history of'getting it wrong' during the pandemic).
 
I havent seen any other state asked about the new UK strain and provide details.


I can assure you that throughout the pandemic in Victoria that the source of strains was a regular question at many of the daily pressers, and including when the quarantine hotels were reduced to mainly use for interstate and Victorians..

The difference is when you do not have an active outbreak being created from a new international strain, that the journos do not bother asking. When you do they start to focus on it.

At times there were quite detailed breakdowns on which strain from which country/region was arriving in Victoria.
 
We had a night booked at the Sydney Novotel International Airport Hotel on Christmas Eve before our SYD-WGA flight on Christmas Day. Obviously we were going to cancel but the hotel just called and said they have canceled for us as the NSW government has closed the hotel as its being used for International air crew quarantine
Rerouting yourself back via Canberra? (as big a headache as it maybe!).
 
Rerouting yourself back via Canberra? (as big a headache as it maybe!).
Nope, cancelling whole trip.
As we are visiting regional NSW we would need to test on arrival in ADL and await results. We wouldn’t be coming back until Monday and having Tuesday off work is a non negotiable
 
3-6 months I would estimate. That would see front-line staff and vulnerable groups having had, or shortly be due for, vaccinations.

Fair enough. So in 3-6 months, you’re happy to see multiple daily cases of the virus (should we even still be reporting). Not having a go or being difficult, just genuinely curious to know how the more virus conservative see the way out of this.
 
Although how long it has been in Avalon is known from Sweage testing, as no traces on 10th Dec, and the spread event was on the 11th. So we know infections in Northern Beaches started on 11th Dec.

But I think the most likely passenger source from the US (that they've identified so far by the genomics) arrived 1st Dec.

Which suggests it's jumped while the person is still in HQ.
 
But I think the most likely passenger source from the US (that they've identified so far by the genomics) arrived 1st Dec.

Which suggests it's jumped while the person is still in HQ.
I think there's a conclusion being drawn that may not be valid here. Someone in HQ was tested as required, found positive and that test was sequenced.

A number of days later, someone tested positive in the community with a "closely" matching sequence.

The first case should still have been in hotel quarantine at that point and no chain of transmission has been found such as hotel staff, bus drivers, security guards etc.

However, an alternative possibility:

  • someone exempt from full scale hotel quarantine such as aircrew may have caught it or had it whilst on board the ex-USA flight,
  • that crew member failed to isolate or had a aircrew quarantine breach
  • its ended up in the community
  • then that person has departed for the USA again unaware of the situation that has been caused in Australia and have never been tested.
I'd be interested to know if NSW Health is going through CCTV of crew hotels in Sydney used by UA/DL/AA to check this hypothesis. It would also be worthwhile asking the airlines if any crew have become sick since being in Australia.

The confinement of aircrew to supervised hotels can't come soon enough..

PS: The other Crew Hotel is the Pullman Mascot (confirmed by SMH). QF crew can isolate at home but must swab before departure or transit to another domestic flight.
 
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Fair enough. So in 3-6 months, you’re happy to see multiple daily cases of the virus (should we even still be reporting). Not having a go or being difficult, just genuinely curious to know how the more virus conservative see the way out of this.

The issue at the moment is the impact the virus has in terms of (a) the elderly or those with co-morbidities and (b) the impact on hospital and other front-line staff.

If the vaccines do as purported - few or zero deaths even if people get infected - that takes away that danger.

Perhaps we'll get to something similar to the flu and the flu vaccine. We'll have done everything that is reasonable to be done. Life then has to go on as normal.

My parents are ok to accept the risks if they have been vaccinated. They're not happy to accept the risk of someone decides they're going to go out into the community when they don't feel well, or have symptoms.
 
I think some people commenting here may not have realized that MEL never shut to airfreight and multiple international airlines were still operating services daily. Also, the decision to stop taking pax arrivals was made in consultation between the Premier and the Prime Minister.

I fully expect that NSW will get/are on top of this outbreak, but you can't blame DA for taking a mildly cautious approach given the year we've had here. Even with a completely revamped contact tracing system and a populous that's far more covid safe than what I experienced in NSW & QLD a couple weeks ago he would get run out of town if it got loose again this quickly
 
I think some people commenting here may not have realized that MEL never shut to airfreight and multiple international airlines were still operating services daily. Also, the decision to stop taking pax arrivals was made in consultation between the Premier and the Prime Minister.

I fully expect that NSW will get/are on top of this outbreak, but you can't blame DA for taking a mildly cautious approach given the year we've had here. Even with a completely revamped contact tracing system and a populous that's far more covid safe than what I experienced in NSW & QLD a couple weeks ago he would get run out of town if it got loose again this quickly
Airfreight tech crew numbers are probably capped at 3-4 per flight. Different story to a pax flight which is north of 20 per flight on a widebody, even with few passengers as you need to crew all doors. You also didnt have to deal with the passengers on those flights.

Crew love to sightsee, just spend time with any of them and you'll know what I mean. Technical crew have "homework" such as route planning to do when downroute and need to actually rest, compared to 20+ crew on a very lightly loaded 777 that have had 30 passengers to look after.
 
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Airfreight tech crew numbers are probably capped at 3-4 per flight. Different story to a pax flight which is north of 20 per flight on a widebody, even with few passengers as you need to crew all doors. You also didnt have to deal with the passengers on those flights.

Crew love to sightsee, just spend time with any of them and you'll know what I mean. Technical crew have "homework" such as route planning to do when downroute and need to actually rest, compared to 20+ crew on a 777 that have had 30 passengers to look after.

So all the SQ, QR and other pax flights didn't happen then? They were still operating outbound (and with the odd pax with an exemption inbound) so need to carry crew.

This isn't a shot at NSW. They have well and truly carried the load, and if they see the need to stop pax arrivals for a few days if they can't handle this outbreak, then absolutely do it. But don't claim that you should shut down airfreight because MEL did, because that's just not true.
 
So all the SQ, QR and other pax flights didn't happen then? They were still operating outbound (and with the odd pax with an exemption inbound) so need to carry crew.

This isn't a shot at NSW. They have well and truly carried the load, and if they see the need to stop pax arrivals for a few days if they can't handle this outbreak, then absolutely do it. But don't claim that you should shut down airfreight because MEL did, because that's just not true.
I Never said to stop airfreight but I can assure you that not all incoming flights into Sydney are crewed as if they are passenger flights even using passenger configured aircraft. There are 3 x CI aircraft departing most nights of the week for example.

The two issues appear to be (a) exemptions and (b) crew failing to quarantine. (b) is being fixed tomorrow whether the airlines like it or not. (a) had better be fixed or else Hazzard will have his head on a pike on Pittwater road.
 
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I'd be interested to know if NSW Health is going through CCTV of crew hotels in Sydney used by UA/DL/AA to check this hypothesis. It would also be worthwhile asking the airlines if any crew have become sick since being in Australia.

At this mornings pressure Dr CHant they had scoured the CCTV footage from the Quarantine Hotel where the US passenger with simialr strain was orginally staying, the medihotel they were transferred to (note they were as at Friday still in that Medi-Hotel not the community), the vehicles used to transfer the passenger. She also mentioned investigating the crew fromt hat flight - not sure if that was on CCTV as well.

I trust that NSW tracers are looking at every avenue, they have always been thorough and have been updating exposure venues in real time, not waiting for a presser. When Vic was struggling with simiilar numbers they werent doign real time venue updates.
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On Friday, Brad Hazard mentioned up to 90 airlines (passenger and freight) arriving in Sydney each week, I doubt any other airport has had anywhere near this number of airlines coming and going through out this pandemic.
 
How sad for the families of those who needlessly died as a result of Melbourne Hotel Quarantine failures that the inquiry has not been able to attribute blame for the decisions to solely use provate security.
 
Media seems to be reporting QLD has gone to a hard border but that doesn’t seem to be the case
It's an interpretation thing - hard by Queensland standards means a police checkpoint rather than a trust system. Have your papers ready, and if you're from metro Sydney expect to be turned around or sent to prop up the SE Queensland hotel industry for 14 days.

Hard by WA standards means no admittance unless you have an exemption from HM the Queen of Westralia, approved by the Privy Council, printed on parchment and shipped on a sailing barque to Perth.
 
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