Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jase05]

Yes.

But it is actually good news if you that if have 22 cases that 19 are all from an already known cluster.

Ie 19 from multiple new sources would not be good.

2 were from overseas travellers in quarantine. So no risk there.

So just the 1 case from a new source.

The 1 in Brisbane is interesting. My recollection is that they returned from the US on April 21st and then flew home to BNE. Were they exempt from quarantine on arrival in MEL or am I missing something?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Hi Rooflyer, below was a link to a New Zealand story regarding Covid-19 I thought it was an interesting story.

It partly explained why ICU is notused in all cases, having to use a ventilator was probably a too bigger shock to some patients who were unwell.

'Goodbye, Mum. I love you': Son's diary of mother's last days with Covid-19

A son writes of his mother's last days of hope and sorrow as she is lost to Covid-19.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Yes I think the consensus seems to be that the older you are that the more likely that intubation will not prevent prevent death and will at nest only make people linger and for some would just push them over the edge.

Intubation also cuts of the patient from being able to communicate well.


As I have mentioned in other threads my daughter works in a ward where death occurs every week (I am not talking about CV19 here). Not all her patients require palliative care, but quite a number do. Some patients and their loved ones are regularly faced with a choice. Treatments that can be very invasive, intrusive or painful and where it is known that they will not lead to recovery, but which may only result in the patient lingering are then given a choice of whether to maintain or have those treatments. Many will take the palliative path. Many as I have mentioned earlier will pre-empt this on entering a nursing home to choose DNR or other medical restrictions.

Patients can choose to try and enjoy their last days as much as possible. Or they can choose to go for many small odds.

As I have also mentioned in other threads my daughter prides herself on assisting her patients, and their loved ones, to have what she terms a good death for the patient.


The eldery in aged care will often prefer to have their last days in familiar surrounds with staff that they have already long known.

 

[Pushka]

The 1 in Brisbane is interesting. My recollection is that they returned from the US on April 21st and then flew home to BNE. Were they exempt from quarantine on arrival in MEL or am I missing something?

This is the question Ive been raising a few times. That people are testing positive after their enforced iso period. At the least I would have thought that everyone being released after 14 days would have been tested before release. Otherwise they could be asymptomatic carriers so iso has been a pointless exercise.

I understand from media in SA that everyone arriving from the India flight 2 weeks ago has been tested and are now working their way back home throughout Australia too.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yes.

But it is actually good news if you that if have 22 cases that 19 are all from an already known cluster.

Ie 19 from multiple new sources would not be good.

2 were from overseas travellers in quarantine. So no risk there.

So just the 1 case from a new source.

And we are just going to have to learn with these cluster outbreaks, its going to happen and I wish the media would stop screaming in panic 'OUTBREAK!' when this occurs, it just frightens people.

The whole point of a return to normal will involve hot spots flaring up, quarantine, isolation and lockdown for those areas, while the rest of the country keeps going.

There is no other way - so we need the media to realise if they keep this hyperbole up they won't have any advertisers left to pay their bills soon.

 

[Pushka]

And we are just going to have to learn with these cluster outbreaks, its going to happen and I wish the media would stop screaming in panic 'OUTBREAK!' when this occurs, it just frightens people.

The whole point of a return to normal will involve hot spots flaring up, quarantine, isolation and lockdown for those areas, while the rest of the country keeps going.

There is no other way - so we need the media to realise if they keep this hyperbole up they won't have any advertisers left to pay their bills soon.

Oh I so hear ya! We have gone from a management strategy to an elimination strategy and its useless. We have to manage this virus so it doesnt overwhelm of course, but in the end we have to live with it!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And we are just going to have to learn with these cluster outbreaks, its going to happen and I wish the media would stop screaming in panic 'OUTBREAK!' when this occurs, it just frightens people.

The whole point of a return to normal will involve hot spots flaring up, quarantine, isolation and lockdown for those areas, while the rest of the country keeps going.

There is no other way - so we need the media to realise if they keep this hyperbole up they won't have any advertisers left to pay their bills soon.

Which is exactly why we need more people to download the app.

It is also why there are no plans to decrease the numbers of contact tracing staff as we need to be in the position to jump on any flare up.


One would imagine that after the outbreaks in USA meat processing plants as well as this one that some spot testing will be done to check on other similar facilities Australia wide. Plus one would imagine that they will also be looking at the social (physical) distancing that is being used in these facilities and what changes have been made in how they operate, and whether perhaps the Melbourne facility did not sufficiently adjust its practices.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The 1 in Brisbane is interesting. My recollection is that they returned from the US on April 21st and then flew home to BNE. Were they exempt from quarantine on arrival in MEL or am I missing something?

If so odd, as 14 day quarantine should have been till tomorrow.

 

[jakeseven7]

Which is exactly why we need more people to download the app.

Yup sure do.

I had some interesting responses from my emails to a few contacts in huge businesses about needing the app to enter their private premises....

Put it this way - it was definitely not a 'no will never do that'!....

I think someone needs to go first.... and they would be very brave, but if everyone stacked on quickly afterwards then the people (for whatever self-justified resason) who aren't downloading the app would be encouraged to I'm sure, if they saw their mates out shopping etc and they couldn't....

C'mon Westfield

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The 1 in Brisbane is interesting. My recollection is that they returned from the US on April 21st and then flew home to BNE. Were they exempt from quarantine on arrival in MEL or am I missing something?

Reading more I can only find:

The patient had recently returned from overseas and has been linked to a known coronavirus-hit cruise ship, Health Minister Steven Miles said.

So does anyone know what the actual timeline was and if they were actually quarantined on return or whether only self-isolation occurred, and if so did they fly back to Qld straight after quarantine?

If there was a gap then they may well have been infected after return.

 

[Pushka]

If so odd, as 14 day quarantine should have been till tomorrow.

Travellers who arrived into SA last Monday fortnight are on the way out now. I understand they have been tested though.

Post automatically merged: May 4, 2020

Reading more I can only find:

The patient had recently returned from overseas and has been linked to a known coronavirus-hit cruise ship, Health Minister Steven Miles said.

So does anyone know what the actual timeline was and if they were actually quarantined on return or whether only self-isolation occurred, and if so did they fly back to Qld straight after quarantine?

If there was a gap then they may well have been infected after return.

I think that’s the one where the husband is unwell with Covid but she was free to fly back to Qld after iso. It’s a weird timeline.

 

[Pushka]

Now 34 with the meat packing works in Melbourne. Cedar.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Yup sure do.

I had some interesting responses from my emails to a few contacts in huge businesses about needing the app to enter their private premises....

Put it this way - it was definitely not a 'no will never do that'!....

I think someone needs to go first.... and they would be very brave, but if everyone stacked on quickly afterwards then the people (for whatever self-justified resason) who aren't downloading the app would be encouraged to I'm sure, if they saw their mates out shopping etc and they couldn't....

C'mon Westfield

I thought that a good idea; ok restaurants are open but you couldn't go to a restaurant without the covid19 app was a good idea.

It doesn't track where you are just who you have come into contact with.

 

[Himeno]

I'm confused by this one...

After being declared free of covid 19 last week with no new cases for over a week and all active cases resolved, 1 new case was recorded in the ACT today which was acquired overseas. I had expected this to be a case of someone in a hotel in the required 14 day quarantine, but looking at the case details, it appears they have returned home after the quarantine and then became sick. Testing gave a "low positive result" for Covid-19 as well as another "common respiratory virus" and aren't considered to have been infectious for SARS-CoV-2 since during their quarantine.

It would seem that they had Covid-19, have recovered from it, completed the 14 day Australian entry required quarantine, then returned home and was then infected by some other virus. Testing then detected both viruses.
If so, and they are now sick because of another different virus, why are they being counted as an active Covid-19 case?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Now 34 with the meat packing works in Melbourne. Cedar.

The total of 34 for the cluster was the total reported this morning.

The 19 reported this morning took the coughulative total for the cluster to 34.

This may well grow when they release the next batch of daily reports tomorrow morning.

 

[Pushka]

The total of 34 for the cluster was the total reported this morning.

The 19 reported this morning took the coughulative total for the cluster to 34.

This may well grow when they release the next batch of daily reports tomorrow morning.

Yes. That's what I posted? Now 34 with the Meat processing cluster.

 

[MelMel]

I had a scratchy throat and sniffle on Friday so got tested at my local shopping centre on Saturday. (Melbourne) In and out in 10 minutes but still waiting for results, had to take today off work and looking like tomorrow as well.

 

[RooFlyer]

It would seem that they had Covid-19, have recovered from it, completed the 14 day Australian entry required quarantine, then returned home and was then infected by some other virus. Testing then detected both viruses.
If so, and they are now sick because of another different virus, why are they being counted as an active Covid-19 case?

I'm not sure if it was that case, but on ABC Radio this morning they reported that such tests MAY be detecting virus 'fragments' from inactive virus particles (the test detects the genetic signature - which survives in the 'bits'). The only bit of the report I didn't like is that they kept referring to 'live' virus and 'dead' virus. Of course a virus is never 'alive' - its an organic automaton.

 

[Flashback]

I had a scratchy throat and sniffle on Friday so got tested at my local shopping centre on Saturday. (Melbourne) In and out in 10 minutes but still waiting for results, had to take today off work and looking like tomorrow as well.

Not allowed to work from home? If not, hopefully you're at least getting sick pay coverage, although that would depend if you're a permie vs contractor I guess.

 

[MelMel]

Unfortunately self employed sole contractor and can’t work from home. All ok though, got some put away to cover.

 

[drron]

Maybe interesting.Tasmania's stock of PPE as of today.

An outline of our current stock is provided below for your information:

Description​	Unit of Measure​	Commonwealth Pandemic Supply​	State Pandemic Supply​	THS Stock on Hand1​	Ambulance Tasmania Stock on Hand​	Total​	Current Orders Above Normal Supply​
N95/P2 Mask	Item​	30,200​	-​	95,440​	2,480​	128,120​	2,000,000​
Surgical Masks	Item​	137,000​	21,800​	52,560​	13,244​	224,604​	11,000,000​
Hospital Grade Hand Sanitiser	Litres​	​	9,696​	11,977​	83​	21,756​	40,000​
Gowns	Item​	​	3,700​	146,157​	5,401​	155,258​	1,000,000​
Gloves	Item​	​	​	1,456,213​	120,220​	1,576,433​	5,600,000​
Eye Protection & Goggles	Item​	​	2,000​	6,244​	4,759​	13,003​	1,242,400​
Face Shields	Item​	​	144​	1,132​	191​	1,467​	15,000​