Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[mrsterryn]

I couldn't find the actual listing of "health compromised " however I would think husband would be on it.

 

[Pushka]

Personally I think we just have to trust that health experts entrusted with the order of vaccination know what they are doing and will have logic for the order, and if we are towards the back of the list then so be it.

And I say that as someone with 3 elderly parents all in their eighties all with health issues including my mother has had silicosis and permanent lung damage and the MIL who goes in for surgery in a fortnight to have the remaining part of her bowel removed due to colon cancer.

My parents and in laws died in their fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties. So in my world, Covid isn't much different to living a normal lifespan. Only the parent who died in the fifties led an unhealthy lifestyle. The other three just had very bad luck. All were teetotallers and never smoked.

 

[N860CR]

Well the survival rate is over 99% so I guess 99%+ of us will find that out in your scenario!

I guess if the survival rate increases to 99.5% then it’s a great vaccine success? As one saving grace, the survival rate is massively high so it won’t be hard to shift the focus onto how successful it is.

That does show the “alternative” however. If the vaccine fails, then we’ll just need to let the virus run its course and not overwhelm the health system, sadly resulting in a death rate of probably 0.5-1%. We could even market it using a phrase like “flatten the curve”.

A look at COVID figures from developed countries with managed infection rates actually shows a mortality rate of well under 1%.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Well the survival rate is over 99% so I guess 99%+ of us will find that out in your scenario!

You need to factor in the deaths that will be due to us (me included) being unable to offer care to others with treatable conditions due to being overwhelmed with COVID-19 if there is a vaccine failure and everything goes back to business as usual.
Sadly it isn’t simple

 

[drron]

Though it sometimes doesn't need Covid to be overwhelmed.One tassie hospital yesterday had an ED capacity of minus 20 beds.

 

[RooFlyer]

I've largely tuned out the latest outbreaks in NSW and Victoria, but was shocked to read this morning that Victorian DHHS took 16 hours for contact tracers to contact an 'exposed' business - after a prior e-mail was sent to a miss-spelled address.


A call from local state Labor MP Matt Fregon about 7:30pm last Wednesday first alerted business partners Lisa Slaughter and Christo Christophidis that Mocha Jo’s had been listed on the DHHS website as having been visited by someone with COVID-19 between 1pm and 5pm on December 28.

A flood of calls and emails then came rushing in from concerned regulars of the business, which employs 40 staff and usually has 2500 customers a week, as well as from suppliers and other locals all worried they may have been exposed.

During the course of the evening, Mr Fregon and the CEO of local Monash council Andi Diamond called to offer support and assistance, and Ms Slaughter says both were “flabbergasted” and tried to make inquiries through their own networks when they learned Mocha Jo’s was yet to receive a call from DHHS.

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Mr Christophidis tried to call the DHHS hotline on Thursday morning, but it was not until 11:30am — after Victorian Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar had listed Mocha Jo’s as an exposure site during his 10:30 media briefing — that the business received a call from a contact tracer.

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Ms Slaughter said she and Mr Christophidis had assumed the customer had dined in, due to the four-hour exposure period listed on the DHHS website, but it turned out the positive case had been there during a 15-minute window, with her husband; both were wearing masks and only the husband had ordered a coffee.

“She told me our staff didn’t need to be tested unless they had symptoms, even though most had already had tests by then,” Ms Slaughter said. “They also said they didn’t need details of customers who were there at the time, even though we’d worked hard to do the right thing and collect all that information.”


I'm only shocked because so much has ben said about how the Vic system was so improved. What's really alarming though is to think how an untested state such as mine will perform when the inevitable outbreak comes ....

 

[hydrabyss]

I've largely tuned out the latest outbreaks in NSW and Victoria, but was shocked to read this morning that Victorian DHHS took 16 hours for contact tracers to contact an 'exposed' business - after a prior e-mail was sent to a miss-spelled address.


A call from local state Labor MP Matt Fregon about 7:30pm last Wednesday first alerted business partners Lisa Slaughter and Christo Christophidis that Mocha Jo’s had been listed on the DHHS website as having been visited by someone with COVID-19 between 1pm and 5pm on December 28.

A flood of calls and emails then came rushing in from concerned regulars of the business, which employs 40 staff and usually has 2500 customers a week, as well as from suppliers and other locals all worried they may have been exposed.

During the course of the evening, Mr Fregon and the CEO of local Monash council Andi Diamond called to offer support and assistance, and Ms Slaughter says both were “flabbergasted” and tried to make inquiries through their own networks when they learned Mocha Jo’s was yet to receive a call from DHHS.

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Mr Christophidis tried to call the DHHS hotline on Thursday morning, but it was not until 11:30am — after Victorian Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar had listed Mocha Jo’s as an exposure site during his 10:30 media briefing — that the business received a call from a contact tracer.

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Ms Slaughter said she and Mr Christophidis had assumed the customer had dined in, due to the four-hour exposure period listed on the DHHS website, but it turned out the positive case had been there during a 15-minute window, with her husband; both were wearing masks and only the husband had ordered a coffee.

“She told me our staff didn’t need to be tested unless they had symptoms, even though most had already had tests by then,” Ms Slaughter said. “They also said they didn’t need details of customers who were there at the time, even though we’d worked hard to do the right thing and collect all that information.”


I'm only shocked because so much has ben said about how the Vic system was so improved. What's really alarming though is to think how an untested state such as mine will perform when the inevitable outbreak comes ....

I feel a lot of states are pointing the finger at NSW and any issues they are having to keep the focus off their own states short comings. End of the day everyone is learning and as long as they improve each time than everyone will be happy.

 

[jakeseven7]

I've largely tuned out the latest outbreaks in NSW and Victoria, but was shocked to read this morning that Victorian DHHS took 16 hours for contact tracers to contact an 'exposed' business - after a prior e-mail was sent to a miss-spelled address.


A call from local state Labor MP Matt Fregon about 7:30pm last Wednesday first alerted business partners Lisa Slaughter and Christo Christophidis that Mocha Jo’s had been listed on the DHHS website as having been visited by someone with COVID-19 between 1pm and 5pm on December 28.

A flood of calls and emails then came rushing in from concerned regulars of the business, which employs 40 staff and usually has 2500 customers a week, as well as from suppliers and other locals all worried they may have been exposed.

During the course of the evening, Mr Fregon and the CEO of local Monash council Andi Diamond called to offer support and assistance, and Ms Slaughter says both were “flabbergasted” and tried to make inquiries through their own networks when they learned Mocha Jo’s was yet to receive a call from DHHS.

...


Mr Christophidis tried to call the DHHS hotline on Thursday morning, but it was not until 11:30am — after Victorian Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar had listed Mocha Jo’s as an exposure site during his 10:30 media briefing — that the business received a call from a contact tracer.

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Ms Slaughter said she and Mr Christophidis had assumed the customer had dined in, due to the four-hour exposure period listed on the DHHS website, but it turned out the positive case had been there during a 15-minute window, with her husband; both were wearing masks and only the husband had ordered a coffee.

“She told me our staff didn’t need to be tested unless they had symptoms, even though most had already had tests by then,” Ms Slaughter said. “They also said they didn’t need details of customers who were there at the time, even though we’d worked hard to do the right thing and collect all that information.”


I'm only shocked because so much has ben said about how the Vic system was so improved. What's really alarming though is to think how an untested state such as mine will perform when the inevitable outbreak comes ....

Same story surfaced in Sydney for a restaurant that had an infected staff member work there....

I think these failures are the exception not the rule though. And I wonder how accurate the reporting really is on these events too....

VIC and NSW have proven they can bust up clusters and break chains of transmission we just need to give them some time.

It’s not VIC and NSW I worry about actually!

 

[drron]

Don't worry RooFlyer they will probably get retired doctors to come back to deliver vaccines whilst those already working are looking after the Covid patients.However with Tasmania's record they will probably require extra training as in the UK.That is "diversity training".

NHS Requires Recently Retired Doctors to Have “Diversity Training” Before They’re Allowed to Administer Vaccines

Clown world strikes again.

summit.news

 

[jakeseven7]

Massive testing numbers in VIC again and good to see very low case numbers again. Hopefully this slowly ebbs out as they work through all the close contacts from the leaked Sydney cluster.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Don't worry RooFlyer they will probably get retired doctors to come back to deliver vaccines whilst those already working are looking after the Covid patients.However with Tasmania's record they will probably require extra training as in the UK.That is "diversity training".

NHS Requires Recently Retired Doctors to Have “Diversity Training” Before They’re Allowed to Administer Vaccines

Clown world strikes again.

summit.news

Might need to get a verification on that : Summit News - Media Bias Fact Check

 

[tgh]

In places like the UK an US where there is a real emergency situation , they could also use vets and vet nurses .
There are professional demarcation and PL issues that could be set aside.

 

[Flashback]

They're actually training non medical staff / volunteers right now to help administer the vaccine here in the UK.

 

[Lynda2475]

Just came back from a late breaky and all the staff at the cafe were buzzing about this bogan beautician from Cronulla who is staying at Elements and was notified on 31st Dec she was a close contact and told to get a test and isolate for full 14days, but has already been fined twice for breaching this when police have gone to check on her.

Surely if you are caught breaching isolation a second time police can lock you up for remainder of iso period, clearly this women doesnt give a cough about anyone else.

 

[jakeseven7]

Just came back from a late breaky and all the staff at the cafe were buzzing about this bogan beautician from Cronulla who is staying at Elements and was notified on 31st Dec she was a close contact and told to get a test and isolate for full 14days, but has already been fined twice for breaching this when police have gone to check on her.

Surely if you are caught breaching isolation a second time police can lock you up for remainder of iso period, clearly this women doesnt give a cough about anyone else.

This would be the one I suspect....

Woman’s excuse for repeated virus fines​

A Sydney woman who repeatedly breached virus rules after going to holiday in Byron Bay and allegedly failing to self-isolate says she wasn’t putting anyone’s health at risk because she was “double negative”.

Cronulla beautician Jess Barca, 27, was told she was a close contact of a positive case.

Police said she was handed two $1000 penalty infringement notices after officers visited the resort she was staying at three times between December 31 and January 3.

Woman denies putting anyone’s health at risk after failing to self-isolate

A Sydney woman who repeatedly breached virus rules after going to holiday in Byron Bay and allegedly failing to self-isolate says she wasn’t putting anyone’s health at risk because she was “double negative”.

www.news.com.au

 

[Lynda2475]

They're actually training non medical staff / volunteers right now to help administer the vaccine here in the UK.

Id be worried about getting a shot from someone who isnt a qualified nurse or doctor. At my GP they employ 2 full time nurses to give vaccinations and take blood samples, because that is what they do all day they are very proficient . Id like to get my covid vaccine there but suspect wont be an option.

Surely they could at least get student doctors and student nurses in their final year, paramedics and military health personal to helpbefore recruiting randoms. People need to have confidence.

 

[Lynda2475]

says she wasn’t putting anyone’s health at risk because she was “double negative”.

Clearly doesn't understand how to count to 14. A heap of the NB cases tested negative initially then positive on day 10 or 11. She was a close contact not a casual, so negative result means nada until day 14.

Love that she has been named and shamed, the manager at cafe said she is going to print her photo and post it at entry stating not to be admitted. Anyone who looks like her will have to show ID to prove not her.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW 4 local cases - 3 Berala, 1 Croydon.

an extra case after the reporting period from Berala who moved to Orange, Broken Hill, Nyngan as part of a camping trip.

 

[RooFlyer]

Don't worry RooFlyer they will probably get retired doctors to come back to deliver vaccines whilst those already working are looking after the Covid patients.However with Tasmania's record they will probably require extra training as in the UK.That is "diversity training".

NHS Requires Recently Retired Doctors to Have “Diversity Training” Before They’re Allowed to Administer Vaccines

Clown world strikes again.

summit.news

We shouldn’t laugh. At the Victorian Hotel Quarantine Enquiry, evidence was given by a new hotel supervisor ( recruited from Parks service) that he was given instruction on ‘diversity’ ( or similar) but not infection control .

Might need to get a verification on that : Summit News - Media Bias Fact Check

While I don’t usually regard tweets as a worthwhile source of information, I find in these stories, you can click on the tweet and they come up as regular accounts and by their other tweets you can see if they are mouth-frothers or not. This ‘media’ appears to be reflecting a real story. But then again, I’m not fully up on the use of Twitter.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Same story surfaced in Sydney for a restaurant that had an infected staff member work there....

I think these failures are the exception not the rule though. And I wonder how accurate the reporting really is on these events too....

Yes just had a read now.

Let us perhaps review the timeline from the reported information.



The original material posted seems to have omitted the part in bold below. Being The Australian which I do not have access to I have no idea whether it included the sentence in bold or not in their report.

Mr Christophidis tried to speak with health authorities by ringing the Department of Health and Human Services' hotline on Thursday morning.​

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Contact tracers eventually got in touch with the cafe after Victorian testing commander Jeroen Weimar identified the venue during his 10.30am media briefing that day.​

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DHHS had attempted to call Mocha Jo's after hours on Wednesday night.​

Cafe listed as Covid exposure site waited 16 hours for contact tracers

Mocha Jo's is Melbourne was visited by a Covid-19 patient from 1pm-5pm on December 28, but owners Lisa Slaughter and Christo Christophidis weren't told before it was added to the health alert list.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So Weds night Mocha Jos was attempted to be contacted and Thursday Morning they were.

So Weds? That would be Weds 30th December.

So what happened on Weds 30th December? Late in the afternoon, or early evening, 3 positive cases came back. Contact tracing begun. Typically main cases are re-interviewed as the first interview does not always get everything as the people being interviewed may not be able to recall everything.

Having had no cases for two months and being the Christmas New Years Holiday Period no doubt staffing would have been on the light side.

And yet contact tracing was commenced on all 3 cases who at that time were not linked. High risk close contacts were rapidly being identified and instructed that they had to isolate. As per the recent tactic close contact of close contacts were also being sought and likewise involved. The number of people to be contacted would have been mushrooming rapidly.

As part of that DHHS had attempted to call Mocha Jo's after hours on Wednesday night.. As contact tracing had only just begun on the three new cases and all the possible links from that no doubt there were a a very large number as close contacts and businesses that had to be contacts. Most likely too not all would have been immediately contactable.

You would imagine priority would be given to settings of high risk exposure. So while Mocha Jos was originally indicated as 4hrs of contact, interviews narrow that donw to a lower risk 15 minute block.

Meanwhile one would imagine that the DHHS would have been recalling staff from leave and off shift to work overnight on the new outbreak.

Is it really that remarkable that with all of what was going on, and all of a cold start, that one business which was tried to be contacted on Weds night, was not in the end spoken with till Thursday morning and which by then had been lowered in terms of risk?