Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[DC3]

.. Though I am still puzzled why the use of emjoi's is acceptable though ...

Oh. I just used an emoji as a reaction to your post. . Although, maybe there’s some leg-pulling going on here.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Problem is that they have either explicitly or implicitly argued for elimination. The vaccine won't necessarily help that, so I suspect they are going to have a bit of a problem walking back on much of the fear mongering they have done.

Yes.

Noting no everyone will be vaccinated either through choice, or medical reasons, if vaccines are deployed and then when the Austarlian international border is reopened and international travel is resumed that it would seem that the most likely scenario based on how they believe the current vaccines will work is that there will be more Covid 19 cases in Australia, but that the symptoms will be less in severity and the fatality rate less. Though deaths may still occur and could even be more per annum than we currently have had in 2020.

However the risk of deaths being many multiple of that will be gone, and also that many people will not have severe medical conditions from it.

It may well be more like the flu (Ooops! Influenza. Flu must be a young and cool word as is has been shortened to a single syllable). Maybe less impact, may more impact as the actual performance of each of the vaccines is still unknown, as is the eventual vaccination rate both here in Australia and internationally.

It will then become the Covid normal reality. Just as in most years we are in the Flu normal reality. Ironically though Covid 19 provided us with one of our best Flu Seasons ever.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Oh. I just used an emoji as a reaction to your post. . Although, maybe there’s some leg-pulling going on here.

No evidently it is official. Monosyllables are evidently only for the cretinous and with a lazy approach to language.

So if for example you shorten kangaroo to just roo one evidently is cretinous with a lazy approach to language.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I have been out enjoying the sunshine.

For anyone that has actually watched Dr Yong and other in Queensland talk in depth about the positive quarantine worker with respect to the movements of the case, and their close contacts, and all their likely movements?

I believe from one news report that I hear that there are 90 close contacts in isolation.


Contact tracing — coronavirus (COVID-19) still has very few exposure sites on it. Last updated 09 Jan 2021 2:29pm.

Is it just a case of lack of information, or is it really that the case and the ninety close contacts all hardly went out before being all isolated? Such little exposure as per the website would be most welcome news. But if so one has to wonder about the present hunkering down that has been imposed. Though I guess the public transport usage is possibly driving the caution.


Also at this number of hours afterwards 90 people in isolation is not a large number for case, close contacts, and close contacts of close contacts and so also suggests that not much mixing has occurred. Presumably too, most, if not all of that 90 should have had test results back. All negative if so.

 

[Lynda2475]

Good mask compliance on this afternoon's flight, even most of the under 12's were wearing them.

Two numpty selfish adults needed a talking to. One woman kept taking her mask off everytime she wanted to talk to someone (and no it wasnt so a deaf companion could lip read), she did it to the flight attendant who thankfully said she wouldnt serve her until she put mask on. The other was guy one row in front of me across the aisle, who seemed to think that it was more important to cover his chin than his nose and mouth (no food or drink in sight), I asked him if he wanted a fine and he rolled his eyes just in time for the crew manager to tell him he could wear the mask properly or there was still time to offload him before take-off - that got applause from everyone who heard the exchange.

 

[RooFlyer]

So if for example you shorten kangaroo to just roo one evidently is cretinous with a lazy approach to language.

A witty repost is, well, witty and everyone can enjoy it. The tenth or so time is tedious and unimaginative, especially when they all miss the point.

 

[N860CR]

We have become very needy haven’t we? Not a patch on the fortitude of our grandparents.

Perhaps. But I’d hazard a guess that our grandparents wouldn’t have allowed this mass panic to occur. They were hardier, remember.

 

[TheRealTMA]

A witty repost is, well, witty and everyone can enjoy it. The tenth or so time is tedious and unimaginative, especially when they all miss the point.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=556400474892927

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1130794547377919&id=114339501954302

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Perhaps. But I’d hazard a guess that our grandparents wouldn’t have allowed this mass panic to occur. They were hardier, remember.

My parent's (who are great grandparents) memories of the horrors of polio are of a time full of fear. As children at school, some days school friends would not arrive and were often not ever seen again.


During the height of the polio epidemic in parts of Australia, state borders, schools, pools, and theatres closed, and travel restrictions and quarantine measures were introduced.

Newspapers published daily case numbers and deaths.

Coronavirus fears remind polio survivors of another frightening time

Polio Australia chief Gillian Thomas says the struggle with COVID-19 has poliomyelitis survivors noting similarities between the two very infectious diseases.

www.abc.net.au

 

[N860CR]

My parent's (who are great grandparents) memories of the horrors of polio are of a time full of fear. As children at school, some days school friends would not arrive and were often not ever seen again.

This isn’t polio. Not even close.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Problem is that they have either explicitly or implicitly argued for elimination. The vaccine won't necessarily help that, so I suspect they are going to have a bit of a problem walking back on much of the fear mongering they have done.

My parents, in their 80s, are ok moving from elimination once a vaccine is rolled out. If they're ok, I suspect a large number of other people will also be accepting.

I think the danger and some of the attitudes that scared old people were real. Hundreds in aged care died. Some ethicists and doctors were telling old people they would be left to die if hospital resources had to be rationed. That's pretty rough

 

[lovetravellingoz]

My wife tends to read more of the comments made in the tweeted daily update of case numbers than I do.

She just pointed out to the comments from a USA based Nurse Practitioner who read the VicDHHS Daily update today, and it is a reminder of how well off we are here in Australia. We have it easy.






And it gets sadder. At almost a year in, she is still only issued 1 mask and one gown for an entire shift








And prior to today:

 

[N860CR]

Hundreds in aged care died. Some ethicists and doctors were telling old people they would be left to die if hospital resources had to be rationed. That's pretty rough

You do understand that this is normal, don’t you? On a daily basis, the decision to operate or palliate is often made purely on the availability of ICU space. The surgeon won’t be given the opportunity to operate if the ICU in charge won’t take them post-op.

 

[Pushka]

My parent's (who are great grandparents) memories of the horrors of polio are of a time full of fear. As children at school, some days school friends would not arrive and were often not ever seen again.


During the height of the polio epidemic in parts of Australia, state borders, schools, pools, and theatres closed, and travel restrictions and quarantine measures were introduced.

Newspapers published daily case numbers and deaths.

Coronavirus fears remind polio survivors of another frightening time

Polio Australia chief Gillian Thomas says the struggle with COVID-19 has poliomyelitis survivors noting similarities between the two very infectious diseases.

www.abc.net.au

My Auntie developed Diptheria as a young child and had to spend a lot of time separated from the family at an infectious diseases hospital. My friends mother developed polio (she passed away 2 years ago) and had the consequences of that disease all her life.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You do understand that this is normal, don’t you? On a daily basis, the decision to operate or palliate is often made purely on the availability of ICU space. The surgeon won’t be given the opportunity to operate if the ICU in charge won’t take them post-op.

I think this was a different scenario however. It was saying a bed was available but it would go to the young person first, by reason of nothing else but age.

Australia has 2229 intensive care beds. Very easy to see those being overwhelmed if the virus gets out before those most at risk are vaccinated.

 

[andye]

You do understand that this is normal, don’t you? On a daily basis, the decision to operate or palliate is often made purely on the availability of ICU space. The surgeon won’t be given the opportunity to operate if the ICU in charge won’t take them post-op.

This isn't (or shouldn't be) true in Australia.
Many patients are either not offered or are declined ICU treatment as they are too frail to withstand the interventions on ICU or, their illnesses (acute or chronic) are too advanced for ICU interventions to make a meaningful difference.
There are of course many treatment options below ICU, though sometimes good palliative care is the most appropriate. Doing nothing is never right

Edit: the situation does change if we are overwhelmed. Difficult decisions then need to be made. For those who feel covid only kills old people, even if that were true, the ICU beds are still needed for the road accidents, strokes and major surgeries

 

[Bundy Bear]

Did the person now in Qld only spend 10 days in quarantine in Victoria or 14.
I thought the standard was test day 2 and then day 11 or 12.

 

[drron]

Mask wearing may reduce infection but the evidence is very weak.The strongest results from trials very rarely reach significance and often when things like social distancing and hand washing are taken into account there is often no difference.
More evidence if you wear the N95 mask all the time.
A summary of the evidence in one Medical journal.

Update Alert: Masks for Prevention of Respiratory Virus Infections, Including SARS-CoV-2, in Health Care and Community Settings | Annals of Internal Medicine

www.acpjournals.org

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[MelMel]

Did the person now in Qld only spend 10 days in quarantine in Victoria or 14.
I thought the standard was test day 2 and then day 11 or 12.

 

[N860CR]

This isn't (or shouldn't be) true in Australia.

Right or wrong, it is the case.