Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jakeseven7]

Well im sure those people wwnt their privacy and not to have their names splashed all over the media.

I know health do follow up with welfare checks and you would also expect their employers, friends and family to do the same.

You can bet that if they didnt recover ok we would have seen workcover claims or union action or a trashy current affair segment.

Plenty of ways to do anonymised follow up stories. Loads and loads.

Of course families and friends look out for each other.

Don’t get me wrong I’m sure most of these people have 100% recovered.

What I’m saying is that no one in the media can even be bothered following up on it, no one talks about it and that’s because it doesn’t drive clicks because people simply don’t care. Why? Because we aren’t worried about the recovery, we are worried about what stupid border / movement / restriction the next state premier will slap on for one case arising....

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I dont think its a matter of zero empathy, many are thankful for tne people who take these high risk jobs to keep the larger community safe.

But in this case it was an unecessary exposure if no AO then this guy wouldn't have been exposed, many still angry that the event is happening whilst so many other Aussies cant get home. In Perth case its frustration that simple thing like wearing an N95 mask in high risk work situation not happening.

Our health systems have plenty of capacity to cope at this time. Looking at clusters linking back to HQ breaches (excluding Melbourne's disaster in July) there have only been 3 hospitalisations for health reasons (as opposed to some states tney move extra people to hospital out of caution) - 1 from Crossroads, 1 from SA pizza cluster, 1 from Berala (guy who went to emmergency) and no deaths. The exposed HQ cleaners and drivers have not be in high risk age group, so we hope have all recovered ok.

Most of hospitalisations since Melbourne secoond wave resolved remain overseas arrivals.

If not an AO player then another worker would have been exposed eventually to a returning Aussie. We've seen that tests aren't really that useful... the AO worker tested negative, and two or three days later was positive. In that same time a passenger on a flight could have infected everyone on board.

Some might be angry at the AO going ahead, but plenty of others are welcoming it.

I don't know if our hospitals are any better equipped to handle a mass outbreak? We're just lucky that the virus hasn't made it to a vulnerable population.

 

[justinbrett]

Gosh if that is your definition of mad and panicked I hate to see you react in a real crisis

Everyone has thier own perspective based on their own life experiences I guess so if it felt that way to you - then that’s how it felt to you

It’s mad and panicked for the very fact they held it at 10.30pm. It was done to cause panic.

I never said it was rushed.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Or was just done to make people aware of the exposures sites quickly so those that had been there could isolate and get tested.

Speed is important.

The more you can chop off potential infected people from mixing with other people the lower the final case total.

Cutting off the growth of any transmission chains is vital.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It will be interesting to see how many cases appear in households or in the community from this daily/each shift testing of quarantine workers.

And then see how it compares with say Berala, which was caught early-ish but for some reason didn’t stop Berala cluster from forming.

 

[jakeseven7]

It’s mad and panicked for the very fact they held it at 10.30pm. It was done to cause panic.

Disagree it was done to cause panic, but your opinion if you think that was the primary objective....

It was done for the international audience.... and to get the exposure sites out there ASAP, announce more testing sites, increased hours of operations so people could get tested ASAP this morning.

 

[jakeseven7]

Or was just done to make people aware of the exposures sites quickly so those that had been there could isolate and get tested.

Speed is important.

The more you can chop off potential infected people from mixing with other people the lower the final case total.

Cutting off the growth of any transmission chains is vital.

Testing of the close contacts all negative so far...

 

[Lynda2475]

What I’m saying is that no one in the media can even be bothered following up on it, no one talks about it and that’s because it doesn’t drive clicks because people simply don’t care. Why? Because we aren’t worried about the recovery, we are worried about what stupid border / movement / restriction the next state premier will slap on for one case arising....

To be fair you have no idea whetehr anyone in the media followed up or not. A story staying secrity guard is fine isnt really news worthy. You can bet that if one of them isnt it will become a story.

Whereas the crazy state border restrictions impact far more people and have caused massive damage to economy and mental health.

 

[jakeseven7]

To be fair you have no idea whetehr anyone in the media followed up or not. A story staying secrity guard is fine isnt really news worthy. You can bet that if one of them isnt it will become a story.

Whereas the crazy state border restrictions impact far more people and have caused massive damage to economy and mental health.

I would bet my house that no one in the media even lifted a little finger to even try. And that is why there are no follow up stories by the media because good news about everyone recovering just fine - no one cares about that. Exactly as you say.

They care about what our crazy premiers are going to next.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Seriously, "hyper infectivity of this new strain" says Andrews

They need to tone down this rhetoric (this goes for every government here), it is just ridiculous

So hyper infectious that his family isn't (yet) positive

 

[Lynda2475]

would bet my house that no one in the media even lifted a little finger to even try.

That is not a bet i would take.

There have been follow-up stories on returned traveller and long covid The Project has done a few of these, and Dr Chant has mentioned in more than one press conference that the Cleaner/Driver have mild sysmptoms and are isolating at home.

 

[Lynda2475]

SA might be frst state to make a move they have called at presser at 9:45am.

 

[justinbrett]

Or was just done to make people aware of the exposures sites quickly so those that had been there could isolate and get tested.

Speed is important.

The more you can chop off potential infected people from mixing with other people the lower the final case total.

Cutting off the growth of any transmission chains is vital.

It’s not the speed, it’s the lateness. They knew of the case in the afternoon.

Disagree it was done to cause panic, but your opinion if you think that was the primary objective....

It was done for the international audience.... and to get the exposure sites out there ASAP, announce more testing sites, increased hours of operations so people could get tested ASAP this morning.

And this couldn’t be achieved by a written statement of the contact tracing locations followed up by a morning press conference?

Are we now going to call press conferences for every subsequent positive case 24/7 to update contact tracing locations?

Most people including the media predicted lockdown. It caused panic whether you agree or not.

 

[Must...Fly!]

SA might be frst state to make a move they have called at presser at 9:45am.

Is it too much to ask or not from a knee-jerk perspective that actual community transmission occur for borders to be slammed shut

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Maybe a Premier, but with the BlackRock Cluster one saw measures rolled out and the DHHS made an official detailed announcement early evening on the same day that the positive results were returned. ie Test results back in the afternoon of the 30th and announcement out with an initial risk lit of locations published. Plus we know the second ring was swiftly enacted then. By the time the 3 cases were reported in the official numbers on the 31st scores of people were already isolating and that soon ramped up to 1000 odd.
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With over 600 already isolating, there could well be a over 1000 in isolation by the time the case is logged in the official report tomorrow morning.


Cases generated from quarantine are going to keep happening. Yes important to keep improving quarantine, but it is also most crucial that speed such as this is used to jump on any outbreak when they do occur, and for states to not freak out with border restrictions when there are only a small number, or even one case.

Being quick to act comprehensively should mean that the blunt axe of state border restrictions is not required. Though states may well panic yet again.

We keep learning. The lesson this time may well be that quarantine workers should possibly retain daily testing or another increment after their last shift. However more difficult as that will mean extra travel and time compared to be testing during a quarnatine shift.

Announced at the Vic Presser that it will now be protocol in Vic to test daily all hq workers when they are off shift.

Pretty sure that this will be the first such practice of this anywhere in Australia.

 

[Lynda2475]

Announced at the Vic Presser that it will now be protocol in Vic to test daily all hq workers when they are off shift.

Makes sense particulary as many security gurds tend to work random shifts and may go days in between.

This is a case where the at home tests (developed in Australia and being used int he USA) could be used, so that the worker can take the test at a standard time each day, and HQ can have some one collect samples. If they get a positive come in for a nasal swab, and continue to use a mix of Rapdi Saliva and nasal swab testings when on shift.

But what makes more sense given they again dont have an obvious transmission event *just a location) is to make all HQ workers wear decent PPE i.e. N95 masks and eye prptection each shift.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It’s not the speed, it’s the lateness. They knew of the case in the afternoon.


And this couldn’t be achieved by a written statement of the contact tracing locations followed up by a morning press conference?

Are we now going to call press conferences for every subsequent positive case 24/7 to update contact tracing locations?

Most people including the media predicted lockdown. It caused panic whether you agree or not.

Yes you get the test result at time X. But that does not come with detailed information.

You then have physically find the person.

You then have to interview the person to establish the exposure sites and close contacts lists.

Equally remember the Pizza Guy in Adelaide....and so it is important cross check a little before just releasing information. Wrong information can do a lot of harm.

All that takes a little time to assemble an information release that is meaningful and accurate.

The presser gains a lot more attention than an issued statement. It provides video grabs that social media and people pick up more than just an issued statement.


Remember too that this time that a high viral load was detected and so the threat is higher. So to beat the drum louder is required.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It’s not the speed, it’s the lateness. They knew of the case in the afternoon.


And this couldn’t be achieved by a written statement of the contact tracing locations followed up by a morning press conference?

Are we now going to call press conferences for every subsequent positive case 24/7 to update contact tracing locations?

Most people including the media predicted lockdown. It caused panic whether you agree or not.

I guess the thing is that everyone was aware of the outbreak this morning in Victoria and we had time to plan last night. Events have been postponed. People are leaving their house with a mask. I think I am better prepared than only finding out at 1030 this morning or whatever.

People that have been to exposure sites are off to get tested this morning, not taking public transport to work and finding out once they get there.

 

[dk4]

Seriously, "hyper infectivity of this new strain" says Andrews

They need to tone down this rhetoric (this goes for every government here), it is just ridiculous

I think we might be looking at the social distancing and cleaning protocols suggested to combat the 2020 virus, not being sufficient for the 2021 emerging variants?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Announced at the Vic Presser that it will now be protocol in Vic to test daily all hq workers when they are off shift.

Pretty sure that this will be the first such practice of this anywhere in Australia.

So Victoria weren’t doing what they publicly said they were doing (ie daily) presumably because guards are off-shift so they now intend to do daily.......so much BS spin....then getting others States to follow their standard via lobbying at AHPPC.

And for not much net gain ....