Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Ric]

Well if I read the reports correctly if you are quarantining in Vic and need a CPAP or nebuliser, your accommodation will be a hospital quarantine

Only in Vic? What about NSW?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Only in Vic? What about NSW?

I’ve read no reports what NSW does for those situations

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It is not a closed system. A nebulizer can generate a higher volume of respiratory aerosols and propel them over a longer distance including through the air con.

It is not so much that that they are propelled by the nebuliser, but rather that they have the ability to float. And anything that floats then is more influenced by any forces acting on it. Though yes a nebuliser may give them a push in one direction. The ability to float can carry them much farther.

The fine droplet size is the issue.

Point One

The virus breathed out attaches to a water droplet.

The larger the droplet size the less the droplet will tend to travel. Large droplets will tend to fall as gravity dominates. Think of rain. A cough may force the droplet some distance but not out of a room.

The smaller the droplet the less gravity dominates and the more other forces can be at play. The droplet will more float. Think of fog, or smoke. Eddies and currents can move the droplet around. The fine droplet will float and can then travel much further distances.

An act like opening a door can cause a rush of air and air moving out into a corridor. There can also easily be pressure difference between different rooms, and an open door will see the pressures equalise and the air move. A door with gaps will also see air movement due to these pressure differences.

Point Two

The second factor of the smaller droplet size apart from the ability to float rather than drop, is that its much smaller size also means that masks can be less effective in keeping a wearer protected.


So the drops can travel much further by floating and can also then more easily get through the defence of a mask.


The issue of aerosolisation of CV19 droplets is why correct humidity control of HVAC is important as dry air can dry the droplet shrinking it thus making it lighter so that it floats rather than sinks. Nebulisers can produce very small droplets, but dry air can as well.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I’ve read no reports what NSW does for those situations

Only in Vic? What about NSW?

NSW does not permit the use of these devices in standard quarantine hotels.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

With what gets into the rooms, there is what is permitted and what gets in either by error, genuine ignorance/confusion or by deliberate action. ie the ADF member (luckily not infected) who had a lady guest, or the cluster in SA that was created when an isolating but infected "essential" worker also had a lady quest who caught the virus from him and then she transmitted it to others.

The nebuliser was not allowed in Vic, but did get through.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW does not permit the use of these devices in standard quarantine hotels.

I already gathered that. So what happens to the people? They go without a ‘critical’ device? Are they sent elsewhere for quarantine? In Vic from what I noted they will be apparently sent to hospital for quarantine

 

[Princess Fiona]

I already gathered that. So what happens to the people? They go without a ‘critical’ device? Are they sent elsewhere for quarantine?

Medi-hotel

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Medi-hotel

Thanks.

Not direct my next comment to you, but I believe SA used the term medi-hotel differently.

 

[Ric]

Medi-hotel

Thanks Princess Fiona
Any idea which hotels are Medi-hotels? Are these Medi-hotels where positives cases are sent to? If so, Mrs Ric and I will go without CPAPs for the 14 days quarantine!

 

[Pushka]

Thanks.

Not direct my next comment to you, but I believe SA used the term medi-hotel differently.

Yes. All travellers from overseas go to medi hotels on arrival. Those who test positive are (in the future) to be transferred to a special hotel (I don't know the name of that yet as it only starts next week). In the meantime all Covid positive cases are moved to one of two floors of another medi hotel where only Covid positive patients wait it out. I don't know what happens with people on nebulisers, Id think they may have gone to RAH but can't confirm. Hasn't been a hospital admit in months.

 

[Anna]

I don't know the name of that yet as it only starts next week

Tom's Court. The sort of name you'd expect for a backpacker hostel

 

[Pushka]

Tom's Court. The sort of name you'd expect for a backpacker hostel

. Well yes, but they will have to invent some high tech medical name for it, surely? It's not far behind the High Court, better watch out for floaties, not that it sits much.

 

[jakeseven7]

I really hope this isn’t true but the radio is reporting this morning that the knee jerk SA border arrangements may have caused the congregation of vehicles near the border including a stationary truck that has then been involved in a fatal accident....

Pretty unforgivable if this is true for SA...

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Driver killed in fiery crash involving three trucks at SA-Victoria border​

At least one person has died in a fiery crash involving three trucks in Victoria's far west, at the South Australian border where coronavirus travel restrictions were reimposed overnight.

Victoria Police said the accident happened on the Western Highway at Serviceton about 2:20am, and SA Police are also currently on scene.

It is believed a truck crashed into a stationary truck, which then collided with the truck in front of it.

All three vehicles then caught fire.

"The driver of the first truck, a yet to be identified man, died at the scene," Victoria Police said.

"Emergency crews are still on scene and an investigation into the incident has commenced."

SA Police's Bordertown coronavirus checkpoint will be closed as police investigate.

Fatal truck crash forces closure of main SA-Victoria checkpoint amid late night border rush

A 47-year-old South Australian man is identified as the victim of a fiery three-truck crash on the Victorian side of the border, after fresh travel restrictions were imposed on incoming travellers from Melbourne.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Princess Fiona]

Thanks Princess Fiona
Any idea which hotels are Medi-hotels? Are these Medi-hotels where positives cases are sent to? If so, Mrs Ric and I will go without CPAPs for the 14 days quarantine!

It’s the Meriton Zetland at present.

 

[Anna]

It's got Tom's Court written in huge letters down its north facing wall

 

[Pushka]

It's got Tom's Court written in huge letters down its north facing wall

Well yes because that was what is was called when it was built. Come on, Nicola won't stand for such a boring name.

 

[Lynda2475]

Technically in NSW we have:

1. Supervised Hotel Quarantine for non symptomatic arrivals with neagative test managed by NSW police with private security
2. Health Hotels for arrivals with symptoms, anyone who tests positive or has other needs like nebuliser (i shouldnt have typed medi-hotel) which are managed by NSW health with security provided by NSW police
3. Air Crew hotels.

Transport to/from is supervised by ADF with police escort.

 

[Pushka]

I really hope this isn’t true but the radio is reporting this morning that the knee jerk SA border arrangements may have caused the congregation of vehicles near the border including a stationary truck that has then been involved in a fatal accident....

Pretty unforgivable if this is true for SA...

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Driver killed in fiery crash involving three trucks at SA-Victoria border​

At least one person has died in a fiery crash involving three trucks in Victoria's far west, at the South Australian border where coronavirus travel restrictions were reimposed overnight.

Victoria Police said the accident happened on the Western Highway at Serviceton about 2:20am, and SA Police are also currently on scene.

It is believed a truck crashed into a stationary truck, which then collided with the truck in front of it.

All three vehicles then caught fire.

"The driver of the first truck, a yet to be identified man, died at the scene," Victoria Police said.

"Emergency crews are still on scene and an investigation into the incident has commenced."

SA Police's Bordertown coronavirus checkpoint will be closed as police investigate.

Fatal truck crash forces closure of main SA-Victoria checkpoint amid late night border rush

A 47-year-old South Australian man is identified as the victim of a fiery three-truck crash on the Victorian side of the border, after fresh travel restrictions were imposed on incoming travellers from Melbourne.

www.abc.net.au

Too soon to establish the cause. But we are just too focussed on one thing right now and everything else, including mental health, is getting the raw deal. Oh. Unless of course you play tennis, or the French bod in charge of the project at Osborne and who gets to quarantine at a private residence right now in Adelaide.

 

[Lynda2475]

Abcnews carona blog yesterday noted

NSW's most recent case won't be classed a local transmission

Another thing we learned from NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian's press conference today is that the case from the weekend won't be counted as a locally transmitted case.

"Authorities say that infection — which was found in a person who had recently returned for overseas and tested negative twice in hotel quarantine — was likely to be a historical infection," Ms Berejiklian said.

Almost 19,000 people came forward for testing in the state, a whoooole lot of them in the Wollongong area. That tally is more than double Monday's total, so it's a pretty massive jump.

 

[jakeseven7]

SA CHO fronted up on radio this AM and got flayed alive for her part in the border decision making.

I feel the attitudes towards these snap border closures have really changed now in the general population, people have run out of patience...

Also - My goodness she is such a poor speaker could barely stutter out a sentence with out a ummm/errrr/stumble and I honestly got the distinct and odd feeling she wasn’t really behind this closure... I don’t know enough about the SA emergency settings to know who is really ruling the roost there....?