Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[dajop]

And the organisers of the BLM protests are seeking further exemptions so that there can be protests in Adelaide every week. If that gets the nod it’s time for us to rise up and do as we please

Maybe an organising body can apply for a protest against excluding crowds from AFL matches, and schedule the protest for Saturday night at the Adelaide Oval.

 

[Bundy Bear]

It's incredibly frustrating the way Victoria's statistics are presented to us in SA and the numpties then bang on about uncontrolled infections in the Eastern States and demand the borders stay closed. Which of course, is exactly where the State Govt wants us, despite being the only Govt in SA to grant consent to the demonstration. Their excuse today being that if they hadn't granted permission, it would have been held anyway and likely violent. Without dismissing the validity of the demonstration at all - quite clearly the message is that unless you threaten to create havoc then restrictions are in place. Our zoos and churches are still closed due to restrictions. What a pathetic bunch we've become.

Not sure if you or anyone else watches Paul Murray Live on skynews, Paul has been harping on about opening the borders and most of the new infections are from returned travelers but the premiers don't want to break it down for anyone.
The states pay for the hospitals the Australian government is funding Jobkeeper.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I've heard this secondhand, so apologies if it's not true and I'm spreading misinformation. But what I was told is...

NZ apparently went harder earlier on their repatriation messaging and Govt support for repatriating the Kiwi diaspora. More flights earlier to get people home prior to their big lockdown. Very few options to fly back direct to NZ now in comparison to Australia (which is obviously still very limited). Of the options that do exist involving transit, most will require some quarantine along the way anyway. Eg, may not be able to get directly to AKL but can get on a flight to SYD. Will do so, sit out quarantine in Australia and then find an option home. By the time they get to NZ, even if they were infectious they aren't any more.

Well that makes sense then as I had noticed that their imported cases seemed to vanish in May.

ie About a fortnight ago 160 odd flew to Australia from South America on a special repatriation flight and about a dozen were noted to be Kiwis. Now they may or may not have been infected of course, but I have often noted that repatriation flights back into Melbourne would have X number of Kiwis on board. It makes sense too to hitch a ride on what are not always full planes and Australia and NZ often do things together.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

The states pay for the hospitals the Australian government is funding Jobkeeper.

If that was actually the rationale of any State Government Politician they should be ashamed of themselves.



So lets see, there is one case per day from community transmission (is actually averaging less than this at present). The vast majority will not need hospitalisation.

So the cost of treating this very small number of new cases is? Even when cases were higher the hospital loads were not high in Australia.

 

[N860CR]

If that was actually the rationale of any State Government Politician they should be ashamed of themselves.

Any Corona related hospital costs are being charged to the federal government.

 

[SydneySwan]

Maybe an organising body can apply for a protest against excluding crowds from AFL matches, and schedule the protest for Saturday night at the Adelaide Oval.

Looks like they heard you. 2000 demonstrators to be allowed in on Saturday night!

 

[N860CR]

As an interesting data point, when comparing “active infections” (so new infections vs recovery), the daily increase has been 0% since 20 April. We’re now approaching 2 months since the “curve” was “flattened”.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

As an interesting data point, when comparing “active infections” (so new infections vs recovery), the daily increase has been 0% since 20 April. We’re now approaching 2 months since the “curve” was “flattened”.

Have you excluded returning international travellers?

 

[N860CR]

Have you excluded returning international travellers?

I believe that includes them. Data came from a doctor I’m working with who is doing some kind of report on increasing capacity

 

[RooFlyer]

Tasmania now has no active cases. Premier to reassess restrictions again in a couple of weeks ( 2 weeks ‘early’)

 

[drron]

The last 2 cases in QLD are both returned travellers and both young.the last a 30 year old from the Sunshine coast.Had done his mandatory quarantine in Perth but on arriving on the Coast his employer insisted on a Covid test.It was positive.

Queensland records new coronavirus case - 9News

Another person has been diagnosed with the coronavirus in Queensland, a day after a two-year-old boy tested...

www.9news.com.au

The other was a 2 year old returning from Pakistan and quarantined in Melbourne.

Toddler tests positive to coronavirus in Brisbane

A two-year old boy in Brisbane tests positive to coronavirus after returning from an overseas trip to Pakistan, the only new case for Queensland today.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Pushka]

The last 2 cases in QLD are both returned travellers and both young.the last a 30 year old from the Sunshine coast.Had done his mandatory quarantine in Perth but on arriving on the Coast his employer insisted on a Covid test.It was positive.

Queensland records new coronavirus case - 9News

Another person has been diagnosed with the coronavirus in Queensland, a day after a two-year-old boy tested...

www.9news.com.au

The other was a 2 year old returning from Pakistan and quarantined in Melbourne.

Toddler tests positive to coronavirus in Brisbane

A two-year old boy in Brisbane tests positive to coronavirus after returning from an overseas trip to Pakistan, the only new case for Queensland today.

www.abc.net.au

Be nice to have everyone tested at the 13 day point hey?

 

[Lynda2475]

With quarantined overseas arrival I assumed that they would test you on day 13 (or 14) and wait for result before letting you leave. Surely for the small number of arrivals it would be feasible to fast track their test results. It seems nonsensical to allow overseas arrivals to fly onto other destinations after 14 days without chekcing if they succumbed to Covid-19 whilst in quarntine.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Be nice to have everyone tested at the 13 day point hey?

I understand that both were asymptomatic, and that both had served 14 days quarantines, and that no reports seem to imply hat they were infectious.
Given the report linked by Princess Fiona and other similar reports on when people are infectious why the concern?

ie People who test positive are not thought to be infectious beyond 14 days if they are not also showing symptoms.

Now you could quarantine everyone till they no longer test positive, but is that necessary? It would certainly stuff some of those who may wish to travel without a vaccine.

 

[Pushka]

I understand that both were asymptomatic, and that both had served 14 days quarantines, and that no reports seem to imply hat they were infectious.
Given the report linked by Princess Fiona and other similar reports on when people are infectious why the concern?

ie People who test positive are not thought to be infectious beyond 14 days if they are not also showing symptoms.

Now you could quarantine everyone till they no longer test positive, but is that necessary? It would certainly stuff some of those who may wish to travel without a vaccine.

But we don't know when they actually developed the illness if incubation can be as long as 14 days. They May only just have acquired the illness and symptoms about to start. It just seems given the extent that Australia (and the world) shut down, that to miss such an obvious and easy step is strange. It's hardly an expensive and timely thing to do. I do know all were tested twice in SA, the second just before they were released.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

What I am worried about at present is that we seem to be getting regular ongoing cases from families with young children who attend mainly religious schools, and that this often seems to become multi-family spread. I have no idea why it so. Covid 19 basically needs to be re-transmitted every week to keep going and so there must be some type of ongoing mixing going on to keep the infection going on. So it may have to do with how they socialise, practice their religion etc. Now it may not be religion at all, it may be for example that families were meeting to allow their kids to play with other kids and that allow adult transmission to keep going. Such contact was banned, but is now allowed again. Perhaps now that it is allowed is why we are seeing them presenting for testing as where perhaps they kept it secret in the past as they knew they were not following the rules.

Most seem to be in the northern suburbs, so the community spread seems to mainly clustered there. The Pakenham Family was linked to two northern suburb families and presumably got infected during the families mixing with rules relaxing.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

But we don't know when they actually developed the illness if incubation can be as long as 14 days. They May only just have acquired the illness and symptoms about to start. It just seems given the extent that Australia (and the world) shut down, that to miss such an obvious and easy step is strange. It's hardly an expensive and timely thing to do. I do know all were tested twice in SA, the second just before they were released.

I keep coming back to the point of, have people been shown to have been infected by other people pos-quarantine? At present there just seems to be occasional reports of people who have been quarantined later testing positive, but no cases of someone being linked to a hotel quarantine case through contact with a person post quarantine.

I assume all states do genomic testing of all new cases (I know they do in Vic). If they do, then they will know if any case has come from contact with a post-quarantined person. I may have missed it, but I have yet to read a report of this.

 

[Pushka]

What I am worried about at present is that we seem to be getting regular ongoing cases from families with young children who attend mainly religious schools, and that this often seems to become multi-family spread. I have no idea why it so. Covid 19 basically needs to be re-transmitted every week to keep going and so there must be some type of ongoing mixing going on to keep the infection going on. So it may have to do with how they socialise, practice their region etc.

Most seem to be in the northern suburbs, so the community spread seems to mainly clustered there. The Pakenham Family was linked to two northern suburb families and presumably got infected during the families mixing with rules relaxing.

They have mentioned large family gatherings. I wonder how large! Hopefully it can be stamped on real quick. And it does have all the risk hallmarks of large family, likely emotional gatherings, and a mix of worship.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

They have mentioned large family gatherings. I wonder how large! Hopefully it can be stamped on real quick. And it does have all the risk hallmarks of large family, likely emotional gatherings, and a mix of worship.

I just hope the contact tracers, including the genomic testing, can work out what the past links in the transmission chain has been, so they it can be broken, as there seems to be a pattern in those northern suburbs.

 

[Pushka]

I just hope the contact tracers, including the genomic testing, can work out what the past links in the transmission chain has been, so they it can be broken, as there seems to be a pattern in those northern suburbs.

Way back, seems like a lifetime ago, there was talk about sectioning off communities if there was an outbreak. In SA the Barossa Valley was sealed off after Ruby and the Swiss and US travellers. (A sad note was that the son of a local was the one who brought the infection from Europe into the Barossa Valley and his father died). It would be tricky but maybe that's a thing that might eventuate again.