Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

. Fact is, airlines aren't flying into SA with passengers. Nothing to do with the Government.

You miss my intended point. I have no problem with South Australian's returning from overseas via a hotel quarantine in Melbourne. I just think is a joke that SA Health is trying to disown them, and moreso when you hear stupid cracks about the hotel quarantine cases in Melbourne being high. They are high as we have people residing throughout Austrlia flying in! And then other people complain about when post-quarantine that a non-infectious person due to the 14 day quarantine arrives back in their state that they rail if a positive test result happens even though it is totally irrelevant as the person is not infectious. The point of quarantine is confine people till they are no longer infectious. If they are not infectious then a positive result is just academic.

All this when people throughout Australia would just serve 14 day self-isolations when they were suspected of being positive, or had a positive test.

 

[Pushka]

hear stupid cracks about the hotel quarantine cases in Melbourne being high. They are high as we have people residing throughout Austrlia flying in! And then other people complain about when post-quarantine that a non-infectious person due to the 14 day quarantine arrives back in their state that they rail if a positive test result happens even though it is totally irrelevant as the person is not infectious

But you know I totally agree with your first point and have always said they should be excluded but politics came into it and they were weaponised. However in the last couple of days the SA Govt have finally grown up and are reporting these here separately as obviously they realize they need to open the borders.

Your second point - this was explained here on the radio this morning as well. And they stated that about 8 days after symptoms the virus could still be detected but the person was no longer infectious.

That is good and is what you’ve been saying. But then I wondered - why did they test him at the airport?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

But you know I totally agree with your first point and have always said they should be excluded but politics came into it and they were weaponised. However in the last couple of days the SA Govt have finally grown up and are reporting these here separately as obviously they realize they need to open the borders.

Your second point - this was explained here on the radio this morning as well. And they stated that about 8 days after symptoms the virus could still be detected but the person was no longer infectious.

That is good and is what you’ve been saying. But then I wondered - why did they test him at the airport?

Politics...especially as in this case from memory was positive before he entered quarantine. Mind you most of the positive one are...they are infected overseas and so by the time their 14 days are up they are well past being infectious. Some may have caught in transit, but that type of transmission is rare.

 

[drron]

Politics...especially as in this case from memory was positive before he entered quarantine. Mind you most of the positive one are...they are infected overseas and so by the time their 14 days are up they are well past being infectious. Some may have caught in transit, but that type of transmission is rare.

Though some may have caught it in quarantine as well.So likely to be infectious when released.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Though some may have caught it in quarantine as well.So likely to be infectious when released.

Why likely? I am yet to read of anyone having been infected by someone post-quarantine who has been released after serving an appropriate quarantine.

That would seem to me to make it unlikely. Now sure eventually it may happen, but even if there is the occasional rare outlier it would suggest to me that the current quarantine period is adequate. Remember too that for some the appropriate period is longer than 14 days if they show symptoms.

 

[drron]

I am saying that if a person is infected whilst in Quarantine and developes symptoms say on the 13th and 14th day-inside the known incubation period-they will likely be infectious as most people are infectious for a few days after symptoms appear.Whether you have heard of anyone being infected by someone released from quarantine is irrelevant as new cases are usually reported as a known contact of a case and likely as a contact of a case caught OS.

 

[dajop]

It is really quite pathetic that it's got down to bickering about which state specific cases are assigned to, for imported cases. We are all Australians by if not by nationality, by where we call home) are we not? I guess it's a funding issue, but for quarantined imported cases, surely the state of arrival or state of residence is not so relevant from a public health perspective. It's the community transmitted cases that are much more important to track.

I guess it's just the political equivalent of a urinating contest.

 

[jakeseven7]

It is really quite pathetic that it's got down to bickering about which state specific cases are assigned to, for imported cases. We are all Australians by if not by nationality, by where we call home) are we not? I guess it's a funding issue, but for quarantined imported cases, surely the state of arrival or state of residence is not so relevant from a public health perspective. It's the community transmitted cases that are much more important to track.

I guess it's just the political equivalent of a urinating contest.

Totally agree I still can't believe people are even talking about this, on here as well

 

[N860CR]

Totally agree I still can't believe people are even talking about this, on here as well

I’d have thought that any case in quarantine is really good news for the government. They’ve shut down a lot of industries by closing the international borders and putting this quarantine restriction in place, so every new case they find validates these policies.

If we had hotels full of people testing negative then, in many ways, it calls the policy into question.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

While transmission via young children is meant to be exceedingly rare, transmission via adults with young children is the bane of new cases in Vic at present.


As another aside 3 BLM protesters from Melbourne have now tested positive. Now they are all thought to most likely to have caught it prior. However 3 out of 10,000 (the BLM cohort size for this rally) being positive is a very high positive rate. If that was scaled up to say the population of central Melbourne of say a million odd people then that would be 300 odd cases All of Vic would be 1900 odd cases.

So are the 3 just a statistical aberration, or is there something in their general behaviours that make them more likely to catch Covid 19?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

While transmission via young children is meant to be exceedingly rare, transmission via adults with young children is the bane of new cases in Vic at present.

Well the Vic Government today confirmed what has been evident and that I have been saying for a while now. Families are the main spreaders. Too many just do not understand that while they could gather, that they were still meant to practice social distancing. Mixing any where with close contact is not a good idea.

One of the key problems with many family gatherings is that people just do not practice social distance with hugs, kisses etc all happening.

My only surprise is that the government did not act sooner on curtailing family gatherings.

The Dr who was asymptomatic and who caught it from a patient has turned into a super-spreader infecting several families that he was related to directly, and the those families have infected other families that they were in contact with (presumably all through adults). Due to this for example Pakenham has gone from zero cases into a cluster.


Mr Andrews claimed there had been cases of people attending large at-home gatherings even after being told to isolate or even testing positive.
Others had gone to work, or visited loved ones despite the same instructions from doctors.

I mean seriously how can people be so selfish and stupid.

 

[jase05]

25 cases in Victoria today, 1 of them AFL player Connor McKenna. Victoria looking at bringing back harsher restrictions

 

[lovetravellingoz]

1 of them AFL player Connor McKenna.

It is worth noting that he is an Irish player not long back from Ireland .

He had done a 14 day quarantine and so he may possibly have been infected in Ireland where Covid 19 is high. So while he is positive, he may well not have been infectious. Evidently all EFC players have been tested since and results have all been negative.

He had however tested negative 5 times since returning from Ireland. Then had a very low grade positive result. So this would suggest he was infected here in Australia.

 

[Gremlin]

Others had gone to work

One of the points that Andrews made today was that those who had done this were not entitled to paid sick leave from their employer. I think the Vics are introducing hardship payments for those who test positive as a result.

I'm grateful I'm not in a position where I'd have to make that choice, but gee if I was supporting my family, living paycheque to paycheque and not entitled to sick leave, I'm not sure I'd choose differently.

If, as a society, it's in society's best interest to have them not at work, then they should have appropriate levels of sick leave to enable them to make that decision.

 

[james4321]

25 cases in Victoria today, 1 of them AFL player Connor McKenna. Victoria looking at bringing back harsher restrictions

Cant see QLD opening the borders to VIC residents now.

 

[jakeseven7]

Cant see QLD opening the borders to VIC residents now.

Nah we love keeping all our tourism industry out of work too much sorry.

 

[jase05]

Nah we love keeping all our tourism industry out of work too much sorry.

So you aren’t concerned about Victoria?
Seeing as though their own government is about to raise restrictions agains I think it’s only natural that other states are concerned

 

[jakeseven7]

So you aren’t concerned about Victoria?
Seeing as though their own government is about to raise restrictions agains I think it’s only natural that other states are concerned

No, not concerned.

I think the Victorian’s are being over cautious and let’s be clear they are only adding one restriction - the gathering of 5 people to a household / outdoor area which is a clearly targeted smack on the wrist for certain people in certain suburbs...

If the donkeys running our show want to ban anyone, just ban people from those hot spot suburbs only - that was in the roadmap.

 

[moa999]

He had done a 14 day quarantine and so he may possibly have been infected in Ireland where Covid 19 is high. So while he is positive, he may well not have been infectious.

He'd done the 14 day quarantine.

Then had recorded 5 straight negative tests (all AFL players are tested 2-3 times a week under their protocol). Then an anomaly (low level), then positive.
AFL CEO basically said today it was likely picked up locally.

 

[drron]

The likely reason for the AFL player's positive test sounds like a false positive-only a low positive following 5 negative tests after quarantine.

And lovetravellingoz has now confirmed we do need to know how many asymptomatic cases there are.
"The Dr who was asymptomatic and who caught it from a patient has turned into a super-spreader infecting several families that he was related to directly, and the those families have infected other families that they were in contact with (presumably all through adults). Due to this for example Pakenham has gone from zero cases into a cluster."