Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Pushka]

Snow season. Party time. How on earth is that going to work?

 

[Melburnian1]

Snow season. Party time. How on earth is that going to work?

Thredbo and other NSW/Vic resorts are operating at 50 per cent capacity in admissions, and apparently just two per chairlift. However you're probably rightly concerned about apres ski activities. Of all human endeavours, one might struggle to think of any that exceeded this in terms of close contact. Snow bunnies!

 

[p--and--t]

Snow bunnies!

Certainly from many accounts of young people and snow holidays - rabbits do readily come to mind.

 

[Pushka]

Thredbo and other NSW/Vic resorts are operating at 50 per cent capacity in admissions, and apparently just two per chairlift. However you're probably rightly concerned about apres ski activities. Of all human endeavours, one might struggle to think of any that exceeded this in terms of close contact. Snow bunnies!

And outside activities havent been shown to be the risk behaviours. And the Aspen resort bunnies took Covid around the world.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

One can't imagine too many in the hospitality sector being happy with the Victorian spike in cases, not that it's led thus far to any deaths.

Yes all the cafes, restaurants, pubs etc both owners and staff will all be rightly pissed off, as well as many others.



There have been significant failures that have led to this:

1/ Individuals failing to isolate when they know they should have been. That they were willing to risk the health of their own relatives is quite amazing.

2/ Individuals failing to practice adequate social distancing when gathering (I suspect this is common Australia wide)

3/ The state government and health department failing to understand and act on that the northern suburbs were bubbling along with community transmission despite it having been clear for over a month that it was so. The easy of rules just fanned the flames, but it was obvious that there was ongoing problems in the northern suburbs.

• Speed to act has always been the most important thing to combat Covid 19. With the northen suburbs the Vic Authorities have been moving at glacial speed and seemed to be just hoping that they would come good. Hotspot management was always said to be a control measure if required. Well it was obvious that it has been required for sometime in the northern suburbs, but it is only now starting in a mild way this week. Plus the whole state is being clubbed, when what is required is more focused action.
• About the only thing that was done was a pop up testing station was in Keilor briefly.

4/ Not ensuring that staff in the hotel quarantines were adequately trained and supervised. Particularly the security guards.

• Does it really surprise anyone that lowly skilled contractor security guards largely left to their own devices have been so prone to becoming infected. The health department really dropped the ball here.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Snow season. Party time. How on earth is that going to work?

It is not the skiers and particularly if they are not mixing between groups that you need to be really worried about (especially as in Vic the bars etc will not be operating), it is the families into hugging and close greetings with other embers from the clan from other households that are the main problem. Most likely all indoors. And then these same families mix with other families.

 

[jakeseven7]

Snow season. Party time. How on earth is that going to work?

Well, its going to spread that's whats going to happen. Like we have been preparing for.

Suppression, not elimination right?

Cases - but not enough to drown our hospitals and ventilator capacity right?

 

[VPS]

It is interesting that a number of my friends who were big huggers are not doing any physical contact (which is my preference) but others just don't seem to get it and look at me like I'm weird because I don't want to hug

 

[p--and--t]

It is interesting that a number of my friends who were big huggers are not doing any physical contact (which is my preference) but others just don't seem to get it and look at me like I'm weird because I don't want to hug

Yep, It feels so weird to walk into a room or run into a really close friend or relative and stand 1.5m away and nod or pretend to elbow bump. Feels uncomfortable and when I go to say good bye I feel unsatisfied/unsettled, like somethings wrong, did I forget my phone or something. Bloody virus

 

[Pushka]

Well, its going to spread that's whats going to happen. Like we have been preparing for.

Suppression, not elimination right?

Cases - but not enough to drown our hospitals and ventilator capacity right?

Yes but would prefer the spread being as the result of normal daily life resuming and not because people just go out and party.

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Yep, It feels so weird to walk into a room or run into a really close friend or relative and stand 1.5m away and nod or pretend to elbow bump. Feels uncomfortable and when I go to say good bye I feel unsatisfied/unsettled, like somethings wrong, did I forget my phone or something. Bloody virus

I can’t do that with sons and grandchild. I’ll and have, hugged them. I refuse now we are at this stage not to do that. There is no end in sight and I don’t intend to spend the next 18 months not hugging them. I don’t hug any other family member except immediate.

 

[p--and--t]

Yes but would prefer the spread being as the result of normal daily life resuming and not because people just go out and party.

Ah but showing our age. For some younger members of the populations that is their normal life. Clubbing and boozing Thursday Friday Saturday night. Gym Mon- Friday. Smashed avo Sat/Sun

 

[Pushka]

i have just read the harrowing details of Newmarch "disaster" and I just don't understand.

We shut Australia down to protect the most vulnerable from Covid, and quite clearly the Aged are smack in that group, amongst others. I also know from personal experience that many residents have a DNR on entry. I am not sure I would actually regard a pandemic as being the reason why a DNR is relevant.

But why the hell were residents who wanted to seek external treatment not provided with it when they and their relatives wanted to get help? I think only one resident was placed in hospital but it was too late.

If we were not prepared to give this group of people the treatment they desperately needed then well, what is the point of it all? There was certainly an abundance of advanced facilities available for them.

 

[andye]

i have just read the harrowing details of Newmarch "disaster" and I just don't understand.

We shut Australia down to protect the most vulnerable from Covid, and quite clearly the Aged are smack in that group, amongst others. I also know from personal experience that many residents have a DNR on entry. I am not sure I would actually regard a pandemic as being the reason why a DNR is relevant.

But why the hell were residents who wanted to seek external treatment not provided with it when they and their relatives wanted to get help? I think only one resident was placed in hospital but it was too late.

If we were not prepared to give this group of people the treatment they desperately needed then well, what is the point of it all? There was certainly an abundance of advanced facilities available for them.

I suspect that those residents were too frail to withstand the rigors of artificial ventilation (which until very recently was the only intervention that changes outcome for CoViD either therapeutically or supportively).

Ps: I haven't read the report but presume they would have access to oxygen and intravenous fluids if these were felt to be appropriate treatments

 

[Pushka]

I suspect that those residents were too frail to withstand the rigors of artificial ventilation (which until very recently was the only intervention that changes outcome for CoViD either therapeutically or supportively).

Yes, that is likely a medical consideration but it seems that no one received any additional medical support. Not everyone in residential care is that frail. And I wonder who gave them the assessment that they were too frail? If it was kept in house then I don't think that's enough. It all seems very secretive and those people never stood a chance.

 

[drron]

Hopefully we learn from this experience but i doubt we will.Nursing homes should have learnt from the Swine flu epidemic when many did go into lockdown.but they failed to realise that it is not just visitors that may be infected but staff as well.In fact it seems from the press reports that most aged care clusters were started by infected staff members.
So for the future in any epidemic staff members should have their temperatures measured plus asked about any symptoms of concern before commencing duty.As well all staff members should wear a mask whilst on duty-it is they who may be infective.
I certainly had to do the first part in my time working in Tassie.

Then to restricting outbreaks.It has been shown that a few people will not comply with self isolation so management of this needs to be beefed up.At the very least measures such as described by nutwood in Tassie with frequent visits from the authorities.I would then go further and if it was found that you were not at home the household would then undergo mandatory quarantine.
Quite frankly I would go further such as the practice in Taiwan.use the tracing capability of the mobile phone and if the phone moves outside the house or tracing capability turned off it is off to quarantine.Though in Taiwan it is off to jail and a very big fine.

A few reports of people being sent into mandatory quarantine +/- a fine should result in much better compliance.Though having to pay for the quarantine rather than a fine should be adequate.
For people who have been found to lie such as the fruit picker who went to QLD a big fine is in order.

 

[tgh]

Clearly the majority of the populace were/are diligent with covid precautions.
There will always be the wgaf element in society, here in au it's not large and it should receive the treatment it invites.
Compulsory tracking , heavy fines and non salubrious quarantine options.

 

[blackcat20]

I wonder if the other guests at that family gathering knew that one of their own had tested positive.

 

[Pushka]

Clearly the majority of the populace were/are diligent with covid precautions.
There will always be the wgaf element in society, here in au it's not large and it should receive the treatment it invites.
Compulsory tracking , heavy fines and non salubrious quarantine options.

But as I said earlier, approval for the marches gave consent for those less concerned to throw away the Covid handbook.

 

[andye]

Yes, that is likely a medical consideration but it seems that no one received any additional medical support. Not everyone in residential care is that frail. And I wonder who gave them the assessment that they were too frail? If it was kept in house then I don't think that's enough. It all seems very secretive and those people never stood a chance.

I agree they should have had medical (ideally specialist even if remotely) assessment. Our contingency plans would have done so for our District

 

[drron]

So already 13 Victorians who need to be locked up as not home when police visited.

"13 people who were meant to be self-isolating at home weren't there when police knocked on 174 doors yesterday.
One fine issued so far - other 12 having their excuses checked. "

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