Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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He'd done the 14 day quarantine.

Then had recorded 5 straight negative tests (all AFL players are tested 2-3 times a week under their protocol). Then an anomaly (low level), then positive.
AFL CEO basically said today it was likely picked up locally.


Out of curiousity why did you cut the second part of my post and then just state pretty much what I had said in those words, but in a different way?

He had however tested negative 5 times since returning from Ireland. Then had a very low grade positive result. So this would suggest he was infected here in Australia.

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Then had recorded 5 straight negative tests (all AFL players are tested 2-3 times a week under their protocol). Then an anomaly (low level), then positive.
AFL CEO basically said today it was likely picked up locally.


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And lovetravellingoz has now confirmed we do need to know how many asymptomatic cases there are.
"The Dr who was asymptomatic and who caught it from a patient has turned into a super-spreader infecting several families that he was related to directly, and the those families have infected other families that they were in contact with (presumably all through adults). Due to this for example Pakenham has gone from zero cases into a cluster."


Though the main problem was not so much the asymtomatic spreader as they can happen, but all the related families/contacts who felt no need to socially distance once it was known that there was a postive result. Too many people seem to have failed to understand that gatherings is a maximum limit on numbers, and is not a waiver of the need to socially distance. That has led to main growth. Contact tracing can shut down new cases from becoming clusters, but only if the close contacts then self-isolate. It may well be that quarantine is required as self-isolation has never been 100% followed by all.

Even with symptomatic cases, people become infectious before the symptoms shows.

The virus has been bubbling along primarily in the northern suburbs of Melbourne. The Pakenham cluster has come from the north. Remember too the McDonalds and Cedar Meats clusters. It was confirmed today and yesterday that part of the reason is that people still decided to mix when they knew that there was a good chance that they would be infectious and that also that social distancing was not being followed with some family groups.

The $1500 payment to those that need to be isolated is a good move.
As part of a Hardship Fund, $1,500 payments will be delivered to confirmed cases and those who are close contacts who can’t rely on sick leave.

However while the fund helps to address those feel that they need the money when there is no income if thy do not work, it will not help the minimise the family mixing problem by those that should be isolating.
 
No, not concerned.

I think the Victorian’s are being over cautious and let’s be clear they are only adding one restriction - the gathering of 5 people to a household / outdoor area which is a clearly targeted smack on the wrist for certain people in certain suburbs...

If the donkeys running our show want to ban anyone, just ban people from those hot spot suburbs only - that was in the roadmap.
They did mention that that area specific lockdowns were probably on the agenda as a next move.
 
I think the Victorian’s are being over cautious and let’s be clear they are only adding one restriction - the gathering of 5 people to a household / outdoor area which is a clearly targeted smack on the wrist for certain people in certain suburbs...

If the donkeys running our show want to ban anyone, just ban people from those hot spot suburbs only - that was in the roadmap

Correct. Roadmap also said we were “flattening the curve” and stopping the hospitals from being overrun. Sounds like a small handful of identified daily cases is a great result, yet the media are reporting a “second wave”. The general public has fallen so hard for all the catch-phrases, I’m quite sure they’ve forgotten what the point of the last three months was.
 
Correct. Roadmap also said we were “flattening the curve” and stopping the hospitals from being overrun. Sounds like a small handful of identified daily cases is a great result, yet the media are reporting a “second wave”. The general public has fallen so hard for all the catch-phrases, I’m quite sure they’ve forgotten what the point of the last three months was.
It won't be a "second wave" in Australia unless it gets back to 300+ new cases/day.
The media is claiming second wave in the US as well, even though their first wave hasn't even finished.
 
And the US continues to make mistakes.


"Over the two last weeks, Mayor Bill de Blasio and others have voiced concerns that packed police brutality protests across the city could trigger a new wave of COVID-19 infections.


Whether or not that’s the case, however, remains unknown — and de Blasio’s team won’t be directly trying to find out.


The hundreds of contact tracing workers hired by the city under de Blasio’s new “test and trace” campaign have been instructed not to ask anyone who’s tested positive for COVID-19 whether they recently attended a demonstration, City Hall confirmed to THE CITY.


“No person will be asked proactively if they attended a protest,” Avery Cohen, a spokesperson for de Blasio, wrote in an emailed response to questions by THE CITY."
 
Overcoming the virus was always indicated to be from the public doing the right thing. A large part of why these cases are now still happening is as people have chosen to do the wrong thing and particularly those that knew that they should have been self-isolating.
 
The main cases of concern are those where the source is unknown. so the last 4 days are not high, but annoying. But equally you don't want them to start accelerating either. So clamping down on the main cause...family spread...is appropriate.


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Is there anything that can be done to determine asymptomatic carriers? It seems impossible to determine. I'd also like to know, of those testing positive now, how many require any treatment other than isolation. Have the numbers of hospitalisations likewise jumped?
 
Only 16 in Hospital around Australia at present according to the health stats.Slight increase on 14 a couple of days ago.

Most asymptomatic cases picked up by contact tracing.
 
Is there anything that can be done to determine asymptomatic carriers? It seems impossible to determine. I'd also like to know, of those testing positive now, how many require any treatment other than isolation. Have the numbers of hospitalisations likewise jumped?


I don't think there has been any jump in the number of asymptomatic carriers. It is just that one is notable at present as they have led to a large family cluster.

Asymptomatic carriers will normally get picked up when close contacts of a known case are tested, or when there is testing of groups going on as in for example the Essendon Footballer (tested twice weekly).

So what you need is for those with symptoms to present for testing. My guess is that a number of people in this group who have had mild symptoms have failed to present for testing, this keeping the chain of transmission going.

The odds of having a continual line of just asymptomatic carriers passing it on continually is virtually impossible. There would mainly be symptomatic (admittedly in some cases these symptoms will be very mild) to not be tested. Given that we know that some people will break isolation when they are meant to self-isolating, it is reasonable to also assume that some in the cohort would deliberately avoid being tested. Remember that the Aspen Couple refused to the tested in Aspen as they did not want to interrupt their holiday!

Have the numbers of hospitalisations likewise jumped?

No. The number in hospital has been dropping and is the lowest it has been since the early days of the virus arriving.

Case numbers are still actually low in the scheme of things and as hospitalisations are not a large % of cases then you do not really expect to see a large jump. Morseo if the age of people involved are not say 70+ So you would need a lot of elderly grandparents to be involved, and they may not have been. Hopefully they have kept clear of the elderly.
Quite a number have been young, who normally do not become ill.

Plus there would be a lag in hospitalisations jumping if they do jump, as being do not normally become seriously ill immediately.

The 2 people in ICU may have become infected weeks or even months ago.



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Thu 2 Apr346
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Overcoming the virus was always indicated to be from the public doing the right thing.

No Channel 7 news 😉 - Overcoming the virus will mean a vaccine or efficient treatment has been found and used.

Managing to live with the virus and a bubbling amount of cases, hospitalisations and yes even fatalities is what we need to focus and message on now.

Our flu fatalities this year will more than likely surpass corona shortly for some relativity of scale. They just hit 40. Don’t see this on the nightly news.
 
Current Vic cases:

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2nd last entry - Family GP tested positive.
Just shows that even amongst people who have training you can catch it
 
Pressure on Victoria on Monday 22 June 2020 as NSW/Queensland/WA and Tasmanian Premiers express concern about the continuing spike in Vic 'community transmission.'

Victoria seems to be the only state or territory with above 10 new cases each day. Tasmania has not had a case ince 6 May 2020. WA is down to three. NSW, after a disastrous start with the Ruby Princess fiasco is having very low new numbers while SA and Queensland have few or no new cases.

NSW Premier is suggesting her state's residents do not visit Melbourne. Not music to airline managements' ears.

Queensland is looking at imposing 14 day mandatory quarantine for Melbourne (and bordering) local govt areas once Qld opens its borders, possibly on 10 July 2020.
 
Shrek and I were thinking of taking the girls to MEL/ Victoria in the July school holidays. But now that Auntie Gladys has advised NSW residents against it we have shelved those plans.
Also not keen on the prospect of the girls being excluded from boarding school upon their return if things get any worse whilst we were there.
 
Shrek and I were thinking of taking the girls to MEL/ Victoria in the July school holidays. But now that Auntie Gladys has advised NSW residents against it we have shelved those plans.
Also not keen on the prospect of the girls being excluded from boarding school upon their return if things get any worse whilst we were there.

Given that (at this stage) any such decisions are made by travellers - no border closure Vic to NSW - it will be fascinating to observe to what (if any) extent these pleadings from your Premier (and warnings from her and others about Victorians travelling north) crimp demand for airline seats, hotels and camping grounds, en route motels, trains and coaches.

One can't imagine too many in the hospitality sector being happy with the Victorian spike in cases, not that it's led thus far to any deaths.
 
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