Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[stryker]

Indeed, however the problem being that one group of "experts" is actually opinion presented as fact.

Well, perhaps this approach might be worth considering:

Pfizer vaccine second dose has ‘sweet spot’ after eight weeks, UK scientists say

Longer schedule led to more Covid antibodies and higher proportion of helper T-cells, supporting immune memory – researchers

www.theguardian.com

 

[moa999]

Is there any point in vaccinating tradies unless the people they come into contact with are also vaccinated?

Once you have vaccinated those most at risk,
It certainly seems sensible to next vaccinated those who are geographically mobile or come into contact with a high number of people.

But establishing a priority is difficult.

 

[OATEK]

Time for NSW to consider distribution of free rapid tests to every Greater Sydney household - might not be more accurate, but some detection is better than none. The main detraction from this idea is that people might do less official PCR testing

Dr Chant seems open to this but it is another of those areas where national standards clash with local need. My daughter in London has been using these home tests for months.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Well, perhaps this approach might be worth considering:

Pfizer vaccine second dose has ‘sweet spot’ after eight weeks, UK scientists say

Longer schedule led to more Covid antibodies and higher proportion of helper T-cells, supporting immune memory – researchers

www.theguardian.com

We should have been doing that months ago.

 

[OrangeRoughie]

Seems fairly relaxed in attitude unlike past hysterics.

I'd love to know what portion of people being tested are over zealous reactions etc.

Spent just shy of 6 hours in line on Tuesday with wife and kids and the police were constantly driving up and down the line. Most people I could see were on phones in car and I did not see police stop once.
We were getting tested due to being at a Tier 1 exposure site (our part now downgraded to Tier 4), the tester did say that it seemed like the whole exposure site had been through the station so would think that station was mostly by people being required to be tested, rather than over reaction - was wondering same thing myself when lining up.

 

[moa999]

Daniel Andrews: Sydney needs a 'ring of steel' to protect rest of country.

Actually very few roads out of Sydney given the geography.
And I can guarantee you there are plenty of flashing red, white and blue lights.

Andrews and the Vic media do seem very focussed on the theatrics - ring of steel, curfew.
When I don't think there is much proof they make a substantive difference.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Actually very few roads out of Sydney given the geography.
And I can guarantee you there are plenty of flashing red, white and blue lights.

Andrews and the Vic media do seem very focussed on the theatrics - ring of steel, curfew.
When I don't think there is much proof they make a substantive difference.

I know many in my community want the “ring of steel” or whatever it’s named because there is great concern that people are traveling outside greater Sydney and they are not all essential workers.

 

[Must...Fly!]

When I don't think there is much proof they make a substantive difference.

Curfew was questionable in terms of effectiveness. "Ring of steel" was incredibly damaging to the economy and mental health of many people in Melbourne but there is little doubt in my mind that it worked.

 

[N860CR]

To those advocating for “harsher lockdowns”, what do you actually want to see? We’ve become so conditioned to this “lockdown mentality” that we seem to have blurred the line between something that is required and something that is simply a form of punishment.

 

[MARTINE]

For the Norman Swans, Raina MacIntyres, Marylouise McLaws and other so called experts out there...

Unqualified and dishonest: the ‘experts’ who undermined confidence in AstraZeneca will cost Australians’ lives

A section of the medical and scientific commentariat has peddled extreme risk aversion to Australia’s detriment. The most egregious examples have amounted to anti-AstraZenecism. It’s not academic freedom. It’s academic dishonesty - and it will cost lives.

www.smh.com.au

…. as a retired medico myself the unseemly pile on between expert voices in my profession only rivals that of the colony’s premiers… I despair.
I fully support intellectual rigour and differences of view with healthy discussion ….but Nero fiddles whilst Rome burns… I can understand the science but a fearful public finds this really stressful to get their heads around.
AZ is a good vaccine for Covid.
Yes - side effects can be fatal but are thankfully rare (as with every drug and vaccine).
Getting Covid is worse IMHO.

There was a problem with:
1- supply of all vax(AZ and Pfizer although former not a problem now)
2-see 1
3-see1
4- messaging (a)that was consistent , in your face and backed up by a coordinated rollout that ensured every frontline and healthcare worker got it first (and at the same time ie if you work in aged care facility everyone got it) and then whole country
5- messaging (b). In medicine it’s all about risk benefit.All drugs have adverse side effects. Drugs for malaria are not without risk but we give them to people to prevent disease when going to an endemic country & they are effective. Malaria kills millions. We don’t give them here routinely as we don’t have the disease. I feel the populace (and pollies) got complacent ie there’s ‘no cases of Covid’ early 21 except imported …the (rare) risk of the AZ vax may be argued greater in some than the disease itself but that was flawed thinking as the virus was never gone in Australia.

So now we have the appalling situation where there’s tons of AZ VAX with fewer takers (I don’t include anti-vaxxers here) … to turn this around the message in Coatsworth’s article needs to be distilled quickly in a campaign and jabs ready with AZ everywhere (and obviously Pfizer) to go into arms… and how about some leadership ie Qld around this. AP ‘needed’ Pfizer not AZ?????
… and get vaccinated .. your doctor can help discuss the risk messaging here..

Ready for pile on
Above is my humble opinion only…
Stay safe .. be positive..test negative.

 

[moa999]

I know many in my community want the “ring of steel” or whatever it’s named because there is great concern that people are traveling outside greater Sydney and they are not all essential workers.

As I understand the NSW Highway Patrol can lookup the registration postcode immediately from their scans and are pretty much pulling over anyone from within Sydney that isn't obviously an essential worker (eg. Freight transport etc)

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We should have been doing that months ago.

Certainly having both AZ and Pfizer at 8wks would reduce one of the reasons for those waiting.

 

[Princess Fiona]

As I understand the NSW Highway Patrol can lookup the registration postcode immediately from their scans and are pretty much pulling over anyone from within Sydney that isn't obviously an essential worker (eg. Freight transport etc)

Yes they certainly can and so scan the registrations. But they are missing some.

 

[MARTINE]

The more I learn about people’s behaviour during Covid the more I believe Lord of the Flies was actually prescient non-fiction ….

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Curfew was questionable in terms of effectiveness. "Ring of steel" was incredibly damaging to the economy and mental health of many people in Melbourne but there is little doubt in my mind that it worked.

I'm not well versed, but uncertain how much different ring of steel is to the current Greater Sydney restrictions

I think part of the practical problem of any further 'solidifying' on the outer limits of Greater Sydney is that critical workers will still be able to cross that line. ....and critical workers are currently getting positive. So unless there is a blanket ban on crossing the line (impractical), any further solidifying is unlikely to have any real impact.

 

[bcworld]

Andrews and the Vic media do seem very focussed on the theatrics - ring of steel, curfew.

Transmission between (not in) households was mentioned in the NSW press conference today.

If curfew assists police in identifying people who are going to/from other households this weekend, or deters them from doing so, is it just theatrics?

 

[hydrabyss]

I know many in my community want the “ring of steel” or whatever it’s named because there is great concern that people are traveling outside greater Sydney and they are not all essential workers.

Where is the ring of steel needed. I am not aware of any spreading out to the regional areas by anyone other than essential workers.

 

[burmans]

Actually very few roads out of Sydney given the geography.
And I can guarantee you there are plenty of flashing red, white and blue lights.

Andrews and the Vic media do seem very focussed on the theatrics - ring of steel, curfew.
When I don't think there is much proof they make a substantive difference.

Yes, I know of someone in what's not a major road out of Sydney (St Albans) and yet there is a high police presence already.

 

[hydrabyss]

Vic Police where against the ring of steel approach.
NoCookies | The Australian

 

[OATEK]

Transmission between (not in) households was mentioned in the NSW press conference today.

If curfew assists police in identifying people who are going to/from other households this weekend, or deters them from doing so, is it just theatrics?

I am sure that if the Police think it will help, then Mick Fuller is not the type of person to baulk at it. The Police will be having input to the lockdown discussions just as the medico are from Health. personally I think it is very easy to police people moving around after dark, as long as they keep the headlights on. Not as easy during the day to find all the back street movements between households.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Transmission between (not in) households was mentioned in the NSW press conference today.

If curfew assists police in identifying people who are going to/from other households this weekend, or deters them from doing so, is it just theatrics?

I don't get the sense that transmission between households is as big a factor right now in Sydney.

It sound more like its endemic in the critical workplaces, quite significantly.

Part of NSW's solution is problematic as it will take weeks/months for the results to reflected in case numbers/not isolating.

It sounds like NSW have placed restrictions 'close to the bone', so it sounds like no more industries will be asked to close.