Australian state border restrictions

WA's police minister has recently come out and claimed that 'West Australians would be understanding if the reopening date is postponed'.

The fact that this is not Mark or the new health minister speaks volumes - I think this is a test of public sentiment and response. I can't remember the last time we heard from Paul Papalia.

This reasonably balanced round up emphasises that the unknowns of what restrictions will apply, once we get to Feb 5, will be extremely important to get right, including the definition of casual and close contacts, which I hope will be cleared up long before February.
 
WA's police minister has recently come out and claimed that 'West Australians would be understanding if the reopening date is postponed'.

The fact that this is not Mark or the new health minister speaks volumes - I think this is a test of public sentiment and response. I can't remember the last time we heard from Paul Papalia.

This reasonably balanced round up emphasises that the unknowns of what restrictions will apply, once we get to Feb 5, will be extremely important to get right, including the definition of casual and close contacts, which I hope will be cleared up long before February.

Should have heard from Paul Papalia when he was complaining about Cricket Australia being inflexible.

But I guess his comments indicate there may not be total agreement within the government....
 
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Its an interesting study WA Vs Tas. Both have had about zero covid for the past year and a pretty normal, mask free life.

Tas very good vax rates - highest of the states, second only to ACT. WA lowest. Both state health systems very stretched under normal conditions.

Tas decided to "open up" at 90% double vax rate. Public told covid will come in. Tas population skewed towards elderly and in poor health. Very much divergent opinions - older and the doona brigade hates the decision, those in the economy welcome it.

So, Tas has opened up. Four cases imported so far, all from NSW travellers I think. No shrieking from Premier, no hysteria, no "NSW dunnit". Just "this is what we expected ... not great but get used to it".

Summer will be ... interesting.
I don't think it's possible to draw too many comparisons between WA and Tas. The big similarity is that both have the physical ability to isolate but that's where it ends.
I've lived and operated a business in both States for over twenty years apiece so have a fairly good idea. Despite resentment at being considered a Melbourne suburb, Tasmania is much more connected to the "Eastern States" than WA. WA is self contained. With the exception of mountains and snow, anything that can be found east can be found in WA. Obviously people have family connections outside of WA, and I suspect that these numbers have increased since I left, but the majority would still be home grown and would feel little loss at being separated from the rest of Australia.
 
WA's police minister has recently come out and claimed that 'West Australians would be understanding if the reopening date is postponed'.

The fact that this is not Mark or the new health minister speaks volumes - I think this is a test of public sentiment and response. I can't remember the last time we heard from Paul Papalia.

This reasonably balanced round up emphasises that the unknowns of what restrictions will apply, once we get to Feb 5, will be extremely important to get right, including the definition of casual and close contacts, which I hope will be cleared up long before February.
Very similar to how the UK operates, leak things out via the spads to gauge public perception. Happened a lot last year, not as much (although still sometimes) this year.
 
Quote from McGowan;

"We don’t want to see the pandemonium and chaos that is occurring in states in the east occur here over this crucial period for families and small businesses"

Hmm don't see any pandemonium or chaos here in Sictoria... Off to Mornington Peninsula this weekend.
Have big few days over Xmas with family
All is fine McGowan, thanks for checking in!
Having flown from SYD to AVV yesterday I didn't see any pandemonium. Indeed, yesterday afternoon this was the scenes out of the Departures halll of Terminal 3 of SYD:
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If anything, the Australian aviation sector is still desperately trying to recover from COVID. We see SUNTAN fares everywhere for domestic travel (my trip to AVV was $66 return had I chosen the Starter fare on JQ). Travelling to AVV, it was smooth sailing. No Victorian border to cross as was the case back in November (where you had to show your papers). That being said, I am somewhat concerned about my upcoming trip to ADL in January. I'm guessing I can just get a COVID test at a community clinic and show the negative test result as proof to enter SA as is the case for QLD? The one benefit I have with my disability (immune-compromised) is I have access to priority testing centres where I don't have to mingle with the riff-raff.

I’m in Melbourne and I’m walking down the cities bustling laneways desperately searching for the ‘Pandemonium chaos’ WA is shrieking about …. Is it a new bar or something? A speak easy? Can any Victorian tell me where it is??
Just returned from the CBD and can confirm that indeed things have returned to normal in Melbourne. Bustling streets and things mostly returning to normal. Not back 100% from where they were pre-COVID, but a heck of a lot more lively than it was 3 weeks ago.

Current pandemonium in Sydney, where I'm visiting - people going places, meeting others, getting on with life.
In other words, enjoying themselves. You know, being able to leave their homes and travel interstate be it on the road or by air. Heading to the international terminal to fly out and visit friends and relatives overseas they've been physically separated from for at least 2 years. Oh the humanity! I hope hermit kingdom enjoys their "freedom".

Double dosed percentage for Tas. is lower than ACT, NSW, and Vic. First dose percentage is higher in Tas, but until the all important second doses catch up, you can not claim to be outperforming others.
I find it surprising how little people are talking about boosters here. Even on the ABC only sometimes do they report the triple dose rate (around 4% nationally). Fortunately, I'm one of those people. All of that being said, and something Mr. McGowan needs to realize is you need to start planning for living in a world where COVID is around. That not only means getting people vaccinated, but providing people with the tools to stay safe in their community. Masks, rapid antigen tests and sound advice to stay safe. For instance, why is it the states mention cough as a symptom of COVID? The last two strains we encountered (Delta and Omicron) have that as a fairly rare symptom. The number one symptom now is headache and runny nose.

How long will their residents accept being locked in?

That is the more pertinent question than for everyone else being locked out.
It cuts both ways really. Yes WA residents literally cannot escape the hermit kingdom at the moment which makes it difficult for some WA businesses to conduct their business, but it also means families and communities will remain separated for an indefinite time, all because of a virus which in all likelihood causes the sniffles if you are fully vaccinated. The lockdowns and restrictions were great in 2020 it saved a lot of lives and kept many safe, but right now with the vaccines, treatments, and what we know about COVID (e.g., it's an airborne illness) there is a need for a recalibration in approach, something the big three (NSW, VIC and ACT) have figured out.

The other harm, and certainly something I think gets very little coverage in the media is the impact these restrictions are having on the travel and tourism business. At one point Perth was a major hub in Oceania connecting major destinations around the world. Indeed, pre-COVID QF would be flying LHR > PER regularly. This is to say nothing of the countless businesses in WA who rely heavily on tourism (e.g., zoos, tours, etc.) What is the WA government doing to help these struggling businesses who will now be entering a third year of 0 business?

What percentage of the population have never been outside WA? Ever? In the past decade? I don’t know the numbers, but I’d expect the vast majority of the easterners have never been west. Isolation doesn’t make the heart grow fonder, but it makes it much easier to simply not care.
There is nothing wrong with Perth. It makes a great connection point for international travel, especially if you are banking on redeeming Singapore points :p

-RooFlyer88
 
Quarantine requirements for vaccinated travellers in the NT have ended, replaced by strengthened testing requirements and new internal travel restrictions.

3 tests: first within 72 hours of departure, then another within 72 hours of arrival and a 3rd on day 6.

 
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I think it’s finally setting in here that all this stuff is a waste of time and resources. The nephew has been working for the last few months in country NSW and was returning home last night for holidays. He came back via Oodla Wirra and had all his paperwork ready but hadn’t received his test results from the day before (he had thought they would could through sometime into his journey)
He gets to the checkpoint and paperwork all good, explains to the bloke that he has done his test and shows proof, bloke says welcome to SA and waves him through. His test result came back about 3hrs later.
 
I think that’s a little bit mean and an old fashioned view of WA residents…. All of my family, immediate and extended in Perth travel frequently outside the state to Melbourne, Sydney etc The old hillbilly stereotype is well ingrained but I personally find it less relevant every year.
You’ll note that if you look at my comment that I asked how many from WA had been east, but also commented the most easterners have not been west. Ease of not caring applies in both directions. Obviously, I’ve been there many times, but if you remove work related trips, then only three times in 66 years. Tasmania only gets one visit. It doesn’t take much to get from those low numbers to zero.
 

Not surprising given how difficult it can be to get a test in Qld given how few centres open on weekends and complete lack of any testing facilities in some of the most popular tourist towns.

Border opened on 15th, today is day 5 (if you count arrival day as day 1) or tomorrow (if you count arrival day as day 0) so next few days should see a huge jump in test numbers if people are complying.

Of course if they want people to comply they need to make it easier to do so, by having walk in test sites in all the main tourist spots.
 
Not surprising given how difficult it can be to get a test in Qld given how few centres open on weekends and complete lack of any testing facilities in some of the most popular tourist towns.

Border opened on 15th, today is day 5 (if you count arrival day as day 1) or tomorrow (if you count arrival day as day 0) so next few days should see a huge jump in test numbers if people are complying.

Of course if they want people to comply they need to make it easier to do so, by having walk in test sites in all the main tourist spots.

Border actually opened on the 13th, so we should have already seen a huge spike. It has doubled from 9k to 18k, but nowhere near the number that we should have seen.
 
Border actually opened on the 13th, so we should have already seen a huge spike. It has doubled from 9k to 18k, but nowhere near the number that we should have seen.

Comes back to the weekend test site available 13+5 = 18th = Saturday.
 
Quarantine requirements for vaccinated travellers in the NT have ended, replaced by strengthened testing requirements and new internal travel restrictions.

3 tests: first within 72 hours of departure, then another within 72 hours of arrival and a 3rd on day 6.

Crikey that's a lot of tests just to enter the territory. Are we travelling or playing cricket? 😂
I think it’s finally setting in here that all this stuff is a waste of time and resources. The nephew has been working for the last few months in country NSW and was returning home last night for holidays. He came back via Oodla Wirra and had all his paperwork ready but hadn’t received his test results from the day before (he had thought they would could through sometime into his journey)
He gets to the checkpoint and paperwork all good, explains to the bloke that he has done his test and shows proof, bloke says welcome to SA and waves him through. His test result came back about 3hrs later.
We're all sick and tired of COVID until COVID makes us sick and tired. A lot will depend on what the hospitalization and death figures work out to. If it ends up being nothing more a serious cold, this pandemic may be over. Otherwise, I predict the groundhog will see its shadow and we'll have another 6 months of lockdowns! 😂

-RooFlyer88
 
Border opened on 15th, today is day 5 (if you count arrival day as day 1) or tomorrow (if you count arrival day as day 0) so next few days should see a huge jump in test numbers if people are complying.

I think our maths differ - I got my 5 day test today and I arrived on the 16th. I counted 16th as day one.

There was no queue at all.
 
It seems like I've identified where the pandemonium remark came from:

Meanwhile, a survey commissioned by the Tourism & Transport Forum has found four out of five Australians have now either cancelled or are undecided over their summer holiday travel plans, while one in two have no confidence in travelling interstate.

Chief executive Margy Osmond said the national survey of 1500 people revealed the concerns of three in 10 Australians had increased following the emergence of Omicron with the same number either cancelling or postponing their travel plans.

I don't know what everyone else's holidays plans are but they remain unchanged given I've got my third dose back in November, am taking a number of precautions to minimize exposure to the 'Rona, and have a number of Starter Max fares on JQ to take advantage of. Here's to hoping the SUNTANS promotion at JQ/QF/VA continues for travel from March to June. I for one could use the status credit bump that comes from a 50% discount on JQ fares 😛

-RooFlyer88
 

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