Australian state border restrictions

[Pushka]

I took a deep dive through McGowan's Facebook and Twitter and I would say its around 70 - 75 percent support of his decision.

The simple fact is the majority of people of WA are strongly behind him and support the border remaining closed " to keep them safe "

I think the people of WA are mostly good people but where I feel sorry for them is they don't understand that for the rest of the country (and much of the world) we are battered and bruised but we realized had to put our big boy pants on eventually and face covid head on and that's what we did

The end is in sight or at least a covid normal has been reached

Mark's speeches to the people of his state are of chaos, turmoil, misery and depression over in the bad east, really? mostly I see happy people going about their life, going to cafes, bars, restaurants, theatres, friends and family houses for dinner.

The health system is stretched but that was always in the modeling,
Dan and Gladys both pointed out last year that the health care system was in for a world of pain on the horizon but that we had to accept that was the price of no more lockdowns, less restrictions and the ability to head to SYD or MEL and fly anywhere in the world.. and also come back if you want as well

For WA the pandemic hasn't even begun yet , they have our last 2 years to come even if their leader has convinced them otherwise.

The trouble is the media will be reporting the ugly. On the face of it, after seeing the infection rate in SA and how we are so much more restricted now, than we were before the borders open, it isn't exactly unreasonable for those who have nothing to gain and everything to lose with borders open to support him.

 

[jakeseven7]

Bold and italics - so perhaps they knew 2 weeks ago that 5 Feb wasn't happening??? I'm guessing poor choice of words - back in the box

Honestly, almost every line in what the CHO said v McGowan is contradictory, infuriating and also means one of them is directly lying about some points where they directly contradicted each other.

Even the AMA which is pretty much happy for us all to be locked up forever with the key thrown away directly called out the issue.

 

[jb747]

Ah WA, waiting for 98% quadruple boosted. Probably with extra cream.

 

[jrfsp]

Honestly, almost every line in what the CHO said v McGowan is contradictory, infuriating and also means one of them is directly lying about some points where they directly contradicted each other.

Even the AMA which is pretty much happy for us all to be locked up forever with the key thrown away directly called out the issue.

The AMA blows whichever way the wind goes. The audacity of the AMA today to criticise the decision when for the past few weeks they have been calling for a delayed opening! They got exactly what they wanted!

 

[openseat]

Will someone with deep pockets now make another s.92 attempt to lift the McGowan lunacy? After all one of the reasons Palmer failed was that the Court said there was 'no known vaccine'. This has changed and even though WA is only at 86% double jabbed, the proportionality of the hard borders has changed somewhat. Given there seems to be no clear plan to reopen would seem to be the point of failure.

 

[Port Power]

Bold and italics - so perhaps they knew 2 weeks ago that 5 Feb wasn't happening??? I'm guessing poor choice of words - back in the box

I believe the CHO and many other officials thought the state was, indeed, opening on February 5. In recent press appearances it had often been mentioned they were waiting on and wanting information on how it would happen. Disappointment and anger from many, I reckon.

 

[HS-TQE]

So when's the referendum for WA to secede from the Commonwealth of Australia occurring?

 

[jakeseven7]

I believe the CHO and many other officials thought the state was, indeed, opening on February 5.

I also believe this because they are about to pay a whopping amount of money to us for services non-rendered, we had over 100 people lined up for a project they commissioned which can't go ahead because of border restrictions and we have zero line of sight as to when it can now...

We've met with WA Health already today and they *claim* they were completely blindsided and this is relatively senior people who now have blown their budgets out of the water so I actually do believe they had no idea.

This reeks of pure politics.

 

[exceladdict]

So when's the referendum for WA to secede from the Commonwealth of Australia occurring?

Already happened.

 

[Tiki]

I actually think there is a silent majority who do not approve of this decision. They just wouldn't waste their time with McGowan's FB or Twitter. I do know quite a few who were very supportive of him in the past but that number has now dwindled to one.

I sure hope FB is only a few nutcases! Anna's FB is insane with people jumping on anyone who posts anything that is pro-vax or pro open borders. It's scary to think that if we hadn't gotten a new CHO who is logical and sensible that QLD would be in the same boat as WA.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Frustrating to see WA delaying the border reopening indefinitely but not surprising coming from them. Every other state has moved on past COVID but there they are in their continued false belief that they can keep COVID out of their communities (look at COVID numbers in WA over past few days).

One key question is what impact these restrictions will have on flights, especially for QF? In particular, SYD > LHR and SYD > FCO might be a challenge on a 777 or A380 without a stopover. I suppose they could continue with DRW as the stop-over point, but that begs the question will PER lose out on international travel in the long-term if airlines realize they can't trust a word they say when it comes to making travel plans? I suspect DRW would be more than happy to take the role of PER when it comes to an international connection point, but one has to question what happens to PER long-term? Will it become simply another domestic hub on the QF network being demoted from a top tier international connection point? Travellers and businesses need certainty and the WA government ain't providing it. I've got a trip booked to PER in early September, and it's now unclear if I'll be able to visit the country of WA then.

-RooFlyer88

 

[antycbr]

Frustrating to see WA delaying the border reopening indefinitely but not surprising coming from them. Every other state has moved on past COVID but there they are in their continued false belief that they can keep COVID out of their communities (look at COVID numbers in WA over past few days).

One key question is what impact these restrictions will have on flights, especially for QF? In particular, SYD > LHR and SYD > FCO might be a challenge on a 777 or A380 without a stopover. I suppose they could continue with DRW as the stop-over point, but that begs the question will PER lose out on international travel in the long-term if airlines realize they can't trust a word they say when it comes to making travel plans? I suspect DRW would be more than happy to take the role of PER when it comes to an international connection point, but one has to question what happens to PER long-term? Will it become simply another domestic hub on the QF network being demoted from a top tier international connection point? Travellers and businesses need certainty and the WA government ain't providing it. I've got a trip booked to PER in early September, and it's now unclear if I'll be able to visit the country of WA then.

-RooFlyer88

Sovereign risk. Governments usually try to minimise it to make sure businesses can make investment decisions.

WA has just created their own unique sovereign risk profile.

The best and most effective measure is a full boycott.

 

[exceladdict]

Frustrating to see WA delaying the border reopening indefinitely but not surprising coming from them. Every other state has moved on past COVID but there they are in their continued false belief that they can keep COVID out of their communities (look at COVID numbers in WA over past few days).

One key question is what impact these restrictions will have on flights, especially for QF? In particular, SYD > LHR and SYD > FCO might be a challenge on a 777 or A380 without a stopover. I suppose they could continue with DRW as the stop-over point, but that begs the question will PER lose out on international travel in the long-term if airlines realize they can't trust a word they say when it comes to making travel plans? I suspect DRW would be more than happy to take the role of PER when it comes to an international connection point, but one has to question what happens to PER long-term? Will it become simply another domestic hub on the QF network being demoted from a top tier international connection point? Travellers and businesses need certainty and the WA government ain't providing it. I've got a trip booked to PER in early September, and it's now unclear if I'll be able to visit the country of WA then.

-RooFlyer88

I'm now nervous for how we will use our QF amex credit before cancelling the card in September. Broome is looking more appealing when the weather's more reasonable mid-year.

 

[antycbr]

I'm now nervous for how we will use our QF amex credit before cancelling the card in September. Broome is looking more appealing when the weather's more reasonable mid-year.

You have a whole world of choice. Why would you ever want to leave?

 

[Eastwick20]

Will someone with deep pockets now make another s.92 attempt to lift the McGowan lunacy? After all one of the reasons Palmer failed was that the Court said there was 'no known vaccine'. This has changed and even though WA is only at 86% double jabbed, the proportionality of the hard borders has changed somewhat. Given there seems to be no clear plan to reopen would seem to be the point of failure.

and though behind the other Australian states 86 percent double jabbed is still phenomenally good when compared to world standards

 

[Port Power]

McGowan is just putting off the inevitable. Covid-19/Omicron WILL come. There is no point in delaying.

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I'm now nervous for how we will use our QF amex credit before cancelling the card in September. Broome is looking more appealing when the weather's more reasonable mid-year.

My co-worker cancelled her February holiday in Tasmania just a few days ago, not willing to take her chances. Booked Broome instead. Good call!

 

[wandering_fred]

So when's the referendum for WA to secede from the Commonwealth of Australia occurring?

As noted subsequently it happened in 1933.
If it happened now, it is likely the results (by state) would be the same.

Otherwise it would involve serious wandering
Fred

 

[exceladdict]

You have a whole world of choice. Why would you ever want to leave?

 

[jrfsp]

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I hope they havnt left off Cocos from that map........

Whats the bet the new date will magically happen once the federal election date gets announced....

 

[antycbr]

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Let me see now.

Broome not Berlin
Karratha not Kruger National Park
Port Hedland not Portugal
Newman not New York
Paraburdoo not Paris
Learmonth not London
Geraldton not Glasgow
Kalgoorlie not Kyoto.