Australian state border restrictions

[jakeseven7]

They wouldn't dare now the premier isn't chummy with the only media mogul in town

Yes so sad to see that love affair end so dramatically

 

[nutwood]

Yes so sad to see that love affair end so dramatically

Also disturbing to see how much public policy is driven by such "relationships".

 

[oznflfan]

Only 70 days ago Supreme Leader of WA stated Vaccination Passports would be required to protect WA from the unvaccinated for 'years to come'.

In two weeks NZ does away with all vaccine passports and vaccine mandates for employment, along with most of Europe, these falling every day.

How long until his 'years to come' drop to maybe 1/3 of a year.

 

[drron]

I saw a different take on vaccine mandates over on Twitter. Actually made a little sense. Many studies now in the Omicron era showing very little difference in the incidence of infection in the vaccinated and unvaccinated especially after 3-4 months of the last dose. Virtually no difference in virus levels so both lots are infectious.
The big difference is the vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic with less severe disease. Therefore in fact it is the unvaccinated that are in danger from the vaccinated so unvaxed folk should steer clear of vaccinated folk. Maybe the Supreme Leader is actually standing up for the unvaxed.

 

[Lynda2475]

The big difference is the vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic with less severe disease.

And this was the point of the vaccines the entire time, to prevent serious illness and burden on the health system. If unvaccinated get seriously ill they only have themselves to blame for not bothering to get vaccinated.

 

[jakeseven7]

Only 70 days ago Supreme Leader of WA stated Vaccination Passports would be required to protect WA from the unvaccinated for 'years to come'.

In two weeks NZ does away with all vaccine passports and vaccine mandates for employment, along with most of Europe, these falling every day.

How long until his 'years to come' drop to maybe 1/3 of a year.

We should be protecting ourselves from the disease ridden covid state of WA really.

All their garbage passports G2G will be gone in a matter weeks, perhaps a month or two. Its just trying to save SOME face.

 

[Port Power]

We should be protecting ourselves from the disease ridden covid state of WA really.

That’s a bit rich! There are higher numbers of active cases in other states, with numbers still rising at times. What does it matter, anyway? People are carrying the disease from state to state all over the country.

 

[drron]

And this was the point of the vaccines the entire time, to prevent serious illness and burden on the health system. If unvaccinated get seriously ill they only have themselves to blame for not bothering to get vaccinated.

Really! Why was this statement needed? The point of my post was the next sentence.

 

[Lynda2475]

Really! Why was this statement needed? The point of my post was the next sentence.

I could ask you the same. It obvious the vaccines are working. The unvaccinated have decided not to protect themselves, so they have to accept the consequences.

To even entertain the idea that the vaccinated are a threat anyone should be worried about is just silly. Anyone suggestion that limits should be placed on the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated should not be considered by anyone.

 

[drron]

I am just tired that you take a sentence out of posts and make a motherhood statement which basically everybody accepts and is not the main point of the post you quote. Do you really believe I didn't know that? And you do it with not just my posts.

 

[Lynda2475]

So an unfunny joke suggesting the unvaccinated deserve protection was the main point? Doesn't seem worth posing.

 

[JohnM]

There are a couple of p!ss-takes above that some peeps have taken just a tad too seriously IMHO...

 

[drron]

So an unfunny joke suggesting the unvaccinated deserve protection was the main point? Doesn't seem worth posing.

When i see this sort of response I just hang my head and feel it such a pity that empathy can not be taught.

But just think of the numbers. the most likely person for an unvaxxed person to catch covid from it is someone who is fully vaccinated. There are a lot more of them walking around spreading the virus. So there is a higher chance for a vaccinated person to pass on to an unvaxed person who can go on to a severe infection and possibly die than for an unvaxed person to give it to a vaxed person with a similiar result.
Just common sense really.
And I do feel sorry for unvaxed people who get severe covid.

 

[wandering_fred]

I could ask you the same. It obvious the vaccines are working. The unvaccinated have decided not to protect themselves, so they have to accept the consequences.

To even entertain the idea that the vaccinated are a threat anyone should be worried about is just silly. Anyone suggestion that limits should be placed on the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated should not be considered by anyone.

Sorry but the vaccines (under the TRADITIONAL definition) are NOT working as those who have received these new medications are still able to transmit the disease to others (those who have or have not received variations of the new medication).
And those people with immune systems which have been suppressed (by genetics or or illness or intentionally by medications) would not take kindly to your opinion.
Now that protein sub unit vaccines are readily available, there is a reduced set of reasons why a person would chose to remain "un jabbed", but those reasons are still valid.
without wandering
Fred

 

[Lynda2475]

When i see this sort of response I just hang my head and feel it such a pity that empathy can not be taught.

But just think of the numbers. the most likely person for an unvaxxed person to catch covid from it is someone who is fully vaccinated. There are a lot more of them walking around spreading the virus. So there is a higher chance for a vaccinated person to pass on to an unvaxed person who can go on to a severe infection and possibly die than for an unvaxed person to give it to a vaxed person with a similiar result.
Just common sense really.
And I do feel sorry for unvaxed people who get severe covid.

I have empathy but dont waste it it on people who havent bothered to get vaccinated given vaccines are free and readily available here. Its just pure stupidity if you are 5 or over and not vaccinated at this point in time. You talk of commonsense well those chosing not to get vaccinated (or to not vacicnate their kids) clearly have zero commonsense.

Myself, all of my family, all of my friends and my coworkers have done the right thing and gotten vaccinated, we dont owe those who refuse to get vaccinated anything - if they get covid and get seriously ill or die well they have to own their poor decision making that lead to that outcome and not try blame the 95% who are vaccinated a tiny fraction of whom may have asymptomatic covid at any point in time.

There are very few people who genuinely cant be vaccinated and I do not assosciate with any of them - i dont know any kids under 5 and I stick to virtual visit with my friend who is in hopsital for a bone marrow transplant, so I do not need to worry about infecting anyone ineligible for a vaccine given I keep my distance from strangers.

If the unvaccinated are out and about in public they are rolling the dice, if their gamble ends badly only themselves to blame.

 

[Lynda2475]

Sorry but the vaccines (under the TRADITIONAL definition) are NOT working as those who have received these new medications are still able to transmit the disease to others (those who have or have not received variations of the new medication).

That is incorrect, the goal well publicised from the start was to prevent serious illness not to prevent all transmission. The traditional vaccines you love so much also do not always prevent transmission either. The annual flu vax is a pefect example, getting the flu vax doesnt mean you wont get the flu or wont tranmit the flu but usually means you dont end up bed ridden or in hopsital.

those reasons are still valid

Only for a teeny proportion of the 5% who arent jabbed, most have no medical reason whasover not to get vaccinated, they are choosing not to or being lazy.

You cant punish and restrict the 95% because of 5%, the onus for extra precautions and restrictions needs to be on the minority, the world cant keep pausing life due to covid, we dont take such actions for any other disease with a CFR well below 1%.

 

[drron]

True empathy is never wasted,

 

[Lynda2475]

True empathy is never wasted

Obviosuly i disagree I can think of a myriad of sitiatuions where empthy is not warranted and I very comfortable with my position.

 

[oznflfan]

That’s a bit rich! There are higher numbers of active cases in other states, with numbers still rising at times. What does it matter, anyway? People are carrying the disease from state to state all over the country.

Sad part Port, being a Western Australian, you will be the ones who suffer, as he will burn the state to the ground before eating humble pie.

 

[Brissy1]

That is incorrect, the goal well publicised from the start was to prevent serious illness not to prevent all transmission.

Really? No.
Don't you remember the "well publicized" push to get to 85% to get to "herd immunity"?

In my admittedly non medical (but scientific) opinion, these preventative treatments are not "vaccines" since they appear to do little to prevent one contracting nor then transmitting covid, but of course are very effective at reducing the symptoms.