Australian women dies on Qatar flight, passengers accuse QR of delayed slow response

[jakeseven7]

A horrific incident in any event, but looks like there will be some questions raised as to Qatars response to this inflight incident, with passengers saying that intervention was left far too late…

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Passenger on flight from Doha to Sydney on which woman died slams Qatar Airways for not doing enough to help her​

A passenger has detailed their horrific experience when a woman died on board a Qatar Airways flight to Sydney last week.

“She looked like she was sleeping, but she was making this really loud noise.” Staff came over to check on the woman, trying to wake her up.

“They called more staff who came with an oxygen mask,” Francesca said. “But then they just left and you could see she wasn’t breathing,”

She said that only after another 20 minutes, a staff member came over, and attempted to move the woman from her seat with the help of another passenger. They moved her to another section of the plane, where she said they finally performed CPR and used a defibrillator.

Francesca told 7NEWS.com.au “it didn’t feel like they did it soon enough”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/woman-60-dies-on-qatar-airways-flight-from-doha-to-sydney/news-story/31f931fc755cad333ac09955ba5f8403?amp&nk=3fd72606879cf4ee8cbaf6ff6d819f6e-1696628997

Passenger reveals what happened after woman died on flight to Sydney

The passenger who sat in front of the woman who died on board a Qatar Airways flight on Friday has criticised the airline.

7news.com.au

 

[jakeseven7]

Apols, Herald sun isn’t open access, but its all over the free news too:

Plane passenger horrified over treatment of dead woman on Qatar flight

An Australian couple have revealed their shock at how staff allegedly responded to a passenger’s death on a Qatar Airways flight from Doha to Sydney on Friday.

www.skynews.com.au

A Woman Claims Qatar Airways Staff Waited 20 Mins Before Performing CPR On Passenger Who Died

"They just left her there," the woman alleged.

www.pedestrian.tv

A passenger DIED next to me on a 14-hour flight to Sydney

Air stewards allegedly waited 20 minutes before they attempted to perform CPR on a woman who later died on board a Qatar Airways flight to Sydney last week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[RooFlyer]

Is this the place where we usually point out some odd things in (sole) reporting pax (Francesca) accounts? From her sitting in front of the affected passenger?

“She looked like she was sleeping, but she was making this really loud noise."

She claimed other staff then brought an oxygen mask, "but then they just left".

"You could see she wasn’t breathing," the passenger added.

Seems like Francesca turned around in her seat and looked back at the distressed passenger gasping.

Francesca certainly got a good run, 4 media articles and 2 AFF posts (several of which articles are re-reporting what's in the others) . Not three like the Virgin job.

I think its funny how the Sky news version is bannered by a picture of Joyce and Husdon and the Government-denying-QR story.

 

[drron]

And Francesca said and did nothing even though she thought the woman was not breathing. Is using the call button not allowed on QR.
And despite this story being a few days old no other passengers have come forward to confirm Francesca’s story.

 

[Pushka]

I don't think any of this should be aired publically by the couple. They were not with her when she was receiving attention so how could they know what her state was. Nor do they know the expertise of the people treating her. If they were genuine about this their first line of comment would not have been via the media, which it was when the story was aired a few days ago.

 

[jakeseven7]

It’s a very interesting turn of events and in other interviews the family of the woman are pretty distraught

 

[jakeseven7]

I don't think any of this should be aired publically by the couple.

I tend to agree with you, clearly they felt really strongly to do so!

 

[luckypierre]

And Francesca said and did nothing even though she thought the woman was not breathing. Is using the call button not allowed on QR.
And despite this story being a few days old no other passengers have come forward to confirm Francesca’s story.

I’m sure very traumatic for all concerned.
I’d be surprised and disappointed if none of the surrounding passengers didn’t attempt DRABCD etc in conjunction with the QR crew.

 

[33kft]

and of course the lady’s partner

Do you mean the deceased passenger's partner?

Sharon Gordon was flying solo on flight QR908 from Doha to Sydney on Friday after visiting her daughter in London.

 

[luckypierre]

Do you mean the deceased passenger's partner?

Thanks my mistake original post corrected

 

[pauly7]

I’m sure very traumatic for all concerned.
I’d be surprised and disappointed if none of the surrounding passengers didn’t attempt DRABCD etc in conjunction with the QR crew.

On the account of the pasengers it seems they called for a Dr over the PA but then the deceased passenger was left alone for some time before CPR and other attention was administered.

It appears the thing that’s getting the media attention was that the deceased passenger was left unattended for a period of time when others thought they needed assistance immediately…

 

[RooFlyer]

It’s a very interesting turn of events and in other interviews the family of the woman are pretty distraught

Well, I dare say. The decease of a family member is always a case for distress, no matter what the circumstances. A horrible thing to happen when you are travelling by yourself (as I usually do). I've no doubt Francesca was genuinely distressed; but read what's reported (and there isn't much in toto) and think why this hasn't caught on. I mean, QR & their lot are these nasty foreigners who abuse women - yet at least one story has Qantas influence as the banner!

 

[drron]

And it was many years ago I had a friend and cricket team mate die on a QF flight from LAX from asthma. and he was only in his late 20s. Never even made the local newspaper.

 

[Forg]

It would be unfairly harsh to the QR crew to imply they had the same lack of f*cks to give about women’s lives as the ruling regime in Qatar Does.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Its hard for the crew, they did their best.
They had done CPR and defib, maybe its expected too much of them, to do a lot more.
But in the confines of Y, with nearly a full set of pax, and they also did ask if there were any doctors on board, to commit as TOD...
Its hard.
They would have been trained for certain things, but if they went over that, they would have been in trouble.
The lady probably already had heart problems, but we will not know/never know, unless the coroners final notes are disclosed publicly.

 

[Pushka]

It’s a very interesting turn of events and in other interviews the family of the woman are pretty distraught

Yes and maybe even some feeling of guilt as they didn't travel with her. We are not privy to either her health prior or family circumstance. It's part of the normal grief cycle. Which should have been able to evolve first before this couple put their face into the media. Given that it will be an Australian investigation, they could have waited before coming out as there is little risk of a faulty examination of the facts. And not gone to the media at all but the police. And let them proceed it further.

 

[Quickstatus]

In Jindabyne there are a few people who advocate for AED defibrillators to be installed around the LGA. Apparently they save lives.

Despite my encourage for people to at least do a CPR course because CPR and AED are not mutually exclusive, very few have done it including people asking for defibs to be installed.

Rather than wait for someone to be the First responder, BE that first responder and commence rescue manouvers.

What are "rescue manoeuvres" you might ask?. It's in the CPR course

 

[Pushka]

In Jindabyne there are a few people who advocate for AED defibrillators to be installed around the LGA. Apparently they save lives.

Despite my encourage for people to at least do a CPR course because CPR and AED are not mutually exclusive, very few have done it including people asking for defibs to be installed.

Rather than wait for someone to be the First responder, BE that first responder and commence rescue manouvers.

What are "rescue manoeuvres" you might ask?. It's in the CPR course

I'm not sure that the average passenger would be in any way confident nor prepared to do this on a plane. I have done it on land - not cpr as it wasn't needed but observation and positional change due to lack of consciousness , on a plane? I don't think so.

 

[drron]

I am up to 4 medical incidents on a plane. on one occasion there was one other doctor. The passenger had a heart problem The other doc was a psychiatrist who decided to let me continue.
On Land I happened to be driving in the early morning in Marrickville, Sydney when an accident occurred 100 metres in front of me. The driver was fortunate as it was obvious she had a tension pneumothorax. I stuck an IV cannula into her chest cavity with immediate relief. Just as I had done that a woman aggressively shoved me out of the way. Shouting get out of here I am a nurse. The driver's mother was in the passenger seat and shouted back no you get out of here, this doctor has just saved my daughter's life.
Have been told to move on 2 other occasions once again by a nurse and once by an intensive care paramedic. On that occasion I was happy to go as it was an MVA and trauma. Physicians are not so good with that.

 

[Quickstatus]

on a plane? I don't think so.

A CPR course helps to allay that. CPR and associated manoeuvres is actually about a process irrespective of situation. Someone with CPR trainingis also more confident.

It's quite natural to baulk at being a first responder. But imagine what can be achieved.

There are AED in lots of places. They are useless/less effective without CPR. An AED will not activate if the heart electrical activity is a flatline. Attaching an AED does not mean it will give a shock everytime.