Building a stronger Qantas

[Alanslegal]

maybe too expensive now they actually have to have meat in them... oh wait... they aren't called 'meat pies' are they?

I wonder where all the meat is going? Maybe the indonesians are buying all the meat and the protestors are trying to stop our farmers making a daily living and prohibiting exportation of same.

 

[drewbles]

Just like Sol was brought in to Telstra for a reason, that ended well didn't it?
I'd say AJ himself is quite a nice guy (that's the impression which I've received), but I think he's in over his head. He has a bottom line focus which doesn't work well for a non price focused customer base. Although as others have said (and started to convince me that it could be the reason). The changes are more to do with getting expensive people out of QF, and cheap people in.

Having met Alan Joyce at the launch of JQ from AVV (for those not familiar with my history, I was the first revenue pax to check in for a RPT service from AVV, JQ to SYD on the 717), he seems like a nice guy. I only spoke to him for 10 minutes or so, and obviously it was a 'good day' for JQ so he was all smiles and rainbows (how bout some CL lovin' for the first pax eh? .

I think he may be in over his head, but of course that's up to the board and shareholders to decide (even though I am a shareholder, I don't count enough; I have very few shares, and have only not bothered to sell them as it would not be worth my time due to the low price of them).

 

[medhead]

After having been through all of the Qantas announcements, I am struglling to find where they said that A320's would be going to QF domestic. Lots of Jetstar and the new premium airline, but nothing about QF services. Can you point me to where this was said?

It possible arises because of the newspaper story I linked that says 24 QF aircraft are going to JQpan. If they are starting with 8xA320s why would they want any QF aircraft.

Please read my intro paragraph again. I stated it was my opinion, not substantiated with any inside knowledge or facts.

Thanks for your thoughts. This is my feeling, that capital management is only one of a vast number of considerations. We can read media releases but sometimes it is the things they don't say that are much more important.

 

[rechoboam]

Suddenly I see more J Seats SYD to LA for reward bookings - The New Spirit ?

I saw more Y seats too?

 

[drron]

I almost entirely agree, with my cynicism being the limiting factor. I think I'm more cynical than you.

Who would have thought?

 

[serfty]

Hi All,

Just out of curiosity, since there are some negative remarks on QF, which FF program will you guys go to if you didin't go with QFF? Just out of interest

Cheers,
K.

Air NZ! Already Gold Elite with them. Get DJ and StarAlliance *G benefits to go with my QF based oneworld Emerald bennies.

 

[connieguy]

Air NZ! Already Gold Elite with them. Get DJ and StarAlliance *G benefits to go with my QF based oneworld Emerald bennies.

Interesting information. Thanks. Will check it out.

 

[JohnPhelan]

It possible arises because of the newspaper story I linked that says 24 QF aircraft are going to JQpan. If they are starting with 8xA320s why would they want any QF aircraft.

This is where I think there is some confusion because of the terminology. When I saw the bit about "24 QF aircraft", I took that to mean "24 aircraft ordered by the Qantas group" (and to me, that means some of the A320neos).

Others have taken it to mean "24 existing Qantas Airways aircraft", which was not my interpretation at all, but I can see how it could be taken that way.

Hopefully Qantas will clarify this.

 

[drron]

Hi All,

Just out of curiosity, since there are some negative remarks on QF, which FF program will you guys go to if you didin't go with QFF? Just out of interest

Cheers,
K.

Interesting isn't it.I joined AA in 2002 and switched fully in 2006.This week I should qualify LTPlat.

 

[k3nnis]

Thanks for the suggestion. Is AirNZ Airpoints FF program anygood for redeeming award flights with? in J of course. I have an AMEX plat. After reading the AirNZ site I am still confused on how the airpoints system works for redeeming flights!

e.g. if I want to go from SYD-AKL-LAX return how many airpoints do I need?

Air NZ! Already Gold Elite with them. Get DJ and StarAlliance *G benefits to go with my QF based oneworld Emerald bennies.

 

[k3nnis]

Well done! I don't do enough flying to get much status

Interesting isn't it.I joined AA in 2002 and switched fully in 2006.This week I should qualify LTPlat.

 

[dajop]

Thanks for the suggestion. Is AirNZ Airpoints FF program anygood for redeeming award flights with? in J of course.

In short, the answer is no. If you have Amex, Singapore Airlines, Malaysian and even Velocity are all much better for J redemptions,

 

[drron]

Well done! I don't do enough flying to get much status

Well fortunately I didn't have to - all miles no matter how earned at present count for lifetime status so I have bought miles, transferred Amex and DC points, from hotel stays, rental cars and even in the US when paying restaurant bills. Unfortunately the system is very likely to be changed soon.

But back OT with a question for Red roo. Possibly this is a bit early but - Will the new premium Asia airline be able to be used in the same way JQ is now used in Circle Asia etc offerings. If so I certainly will welcome it and use it extensively. If not will continue to use CX or JAL. Hopefully you can suggest to some one that the CEO takes this to the OW Governing Board when the plans for the new airline have firmed up.

And by the way even though i have jumped ship mrsdrron is still with QFF.

 

[serfty]

Thanks for the suggestion. Is AirNZ Airpoints FF program anygood for redeeming award flights with? in J of course. I have an AMEX plat. After reading the AirNZ site I am still confused on how the airpoints system works for redeeming flights!

e.g. if I want to go from SYD-AKL-LAX return how many airpoints do I need?

The Airpoints system works with AirNZ flights in that that you pay the fare part with "Air Points Dollars" (

).

If on *A partners, see here: Star Reward Redemption - Flight Rewards - Spending Airpoints*Dollars - Airpoints - Air*New*Zealand - Australia Site

FWIW,

1 ~worth 1000 QFF points.

So, either way, very poor value for redemptions. For me it's about status and upgrades (which are better value)

 

[k3nnis]

Ok thanks. Do you think asiamiles is worth looking into?

In short, the answer is no. If you have Amex, Singapore Airlines, Malaysian and even Velocity are all much better for J redemptions,

 

[k3nnis]

Yep very poor value on *A partners.

The Airpoints system works with AirNZ flights in that that you pay the fare part with "Air Points Dollars" (

).

If on *A partners, see here: Star Reward Redemption - Flight Rewards - Spending Airpoints*Dollars - Airpoints - Air*New*Zealand - New Zealand Site

FWIW,

1 ~worth 1000 QFF points.

So, either way, very poor value for redemptions. For me it's about status and upgrades (which are better value)

 

[serfty]

Yep very poor value on *A partners. Is the required airpoints the same on NZ metal?

It's much worse!

As I posted "The Airpoints system works with AirNZ flights in that that you pay the fare part with "Air Points Dollars" (

)."

So say you book a SYD-xAKL-LAX return one way using

and the ciost was $1735 ($1545 fare and $190 in T/L/C), you pay

1545 and $190.

 

[k3nnis]

Thanks! I'm not sure why AirNZ redemption are so bad??? Might we worse than QF!

It's much worse!

As I posted "The Airpoints system works with AirNZ flights in that that you pay the fare part with "Air Points Dollars" (

)."

So say you book a SYD-xAKL-LAX return one way using

and the fare was $1545 and $190 in T/L/C, you pay

1545 and $190.

 

[serfty]

Thanks! I'm not sure why AirNZ redemption are so bad??? Might we worse than QF!

Much less competition.

As I posted for me it's about the Upgrade and status bennies. e.g. I can book that SYD-LAX return and upgrade the transpac flights to Business Premium for

660 each way (far better value). (alos, get two 'comp' upgrades a year which can be used to go from economy->PE->Business as well.

 

[medhead]

This is where I think there is some confusion because of the terminology. When I saw the bit about "24 QF aircraft", I took that to mean "24 aircraft ordered by the Qantas group" (and to me, that means some of the A320neos).

Others have taken it to mean "24 existing Qantas Airways aircraft", which was not my interpretation at all, but I can see how it could be taken that way.

Hopefully Qantas will clarify this.

I did provide the quote, but to go over it again - just had to double check myself. The exact words are:

"Jetstar Japan, for example, will be allocated 24 Qantas aircraft, thus removing them from the Australian operator's balance sheet"

This is an example following on from the previous paragraph "on the capital management front" about how the 2 new companies are structured off balance sheet.

The key words is removing the 24 qantas aircraft. That suggests the aircraft are current with qantas. It seems pointless to shuffle the new aircraft via qantas if the new company is set up specifically as a separate company. Even so shuffling new aircraft via qantas does not remove anything from the balance sheet. Ordered aircraft that aren't currently on the balance sheet and that will only be there for a short timeframe won't actually reduce anything.

I find the whole thing to be puzzling.