Building a stronger Qantas

[awilcockson]

You can have all 20 of my fly buys points if you'd like

Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass

 

[mannej]

Given that there aren't any wide body replacements anywhere in the system, I'm not too sure how that can be any sort of blessing.

From a customer's perspective JB, I think (AFF aside) you would get much more customer satisfaction comparing the state of a new 737/330 compared to the 767.
*Apart from 2-3-2 J Seating

 

[Moopere]

From a customer's perspective JB, I think (AFF aside) you would get much more customer satisfaction comparing the state of a new 737/330 compared to the 767.
*Apart from 2-3-2 J Seating

I suspect you are right there. I loathe the 767's, but only because the domestic fleet seem to be _soooo_ tired. If they were to refresh the interiors a bit, you know, new seat cushions plus proper IFE instead of the damn out of focus projectors, I'd be a happy camper... whats the problem with these planes? Too fuel hungry? Is that why theres not been an interior refresh? Or have they just done too many air miles?

 

[jb747]

From a customer's perspective JB, I think (AFF aside) you would get much more customer satisfaction comparing the state of a new 737/330 compared to the 767.
*Apart from 2-3-2 J Seating

A new 330 perhaps, but a 737? I avoid them as much as I can.

 

[jb747]

I suspect you are right there. I loathe the 767's, but only because the domestic fleet seem to be _soooo_ tired. If they were to refresh the interiors a bit, you know, new seat cushions plus proper IFE instead of the damn out of focus projectors, I'd be a happy camper... whats the problem with these planes? Too fuel hungry? Is that why theres not been an interior refresh? Or have they just done too many air miles?

Actually there's no real problem with the 767 per se. As far as I can tell, it is still the best choice for domestic wide body operations. And, I gather new ones are still being delivered (to other airlines of course).

They are tough. Don't have too big a wing, which is a big issue for parking the 330. Fuel use is close enough to identical to the 330 (domestically). So, whilst they may be old technology, it would seem to be an old technology that actually works.

 

[nlagalle]

Actually there's no real problem with the 767 per se. As far as I can tell, it is still the best choice for domestic wide body operations. And, I gather new ones are still being delivered (to other airlines of course).

They are tough. Don't have too big a wing, which is a big issue for parking the 330. Fuel use is close enough to identical to the 330 (domestically). So, whilst they may be old technology, it would seem to be an old technology that actually works.

I do like the 767, although they are rather tired inside. Pity the delay of the 787 hampered the retirement or a decision to re-fit them inside..

 

[el_rooto]

Given that there aren't any wide body replacements anywhere in the system, I'm not too sure how that can be any sort of blessing.

Could they be selling the 763's, moving the 744's to dom duties and getting new 380's?

 

[LiamR]

Actually there's no real problem with the 767 per se. As far as I can tell, it is still the best choice for domestic wide body operations. And, I gather new ones are still being delivered (to other airlines of course).

They are tough. Don't have too big a wing, which is a big issue for parking the 330. Fuel use is close enough to identical to the 330 (domestically). So, whilst they may be old technology, it would seem to be an old technology that actually works.

IIRC, they were having some problems with refuelling A330s on short domestic turn arounds?

I think the 767 is a great aircraft, very versatile. However I agree with others, they are starting to show their age. If you have a look at what Air NZ has done with their 767s, you'll realise that the 767s could still be around for a while.

 

[serfty]

IIRC, they were having some problems with refuelling A330s on short domestic turn arounds?....

That goes back several years - the original 332's were shipped of the JQ as the basis to start JQi. The newer 332's do not have the same issue.

 

[mannej]

A new 330 perhaps, but a 737? I avoid them as much as I can.

The latest batch with IFE, BSI etc. They are a bit flashy, but I do agree with avoiding them.

 

[jb747]

Could they be selling the 763's, moving the 744's to dom duties and getting new 380's?

The 767 is the right size....decent load, good performance, and a small enough wing that you can park them alongside each other at the gates. Remember that I'm not really talking about the QF 767s here, but 767s in general.

The 747 has the 330 parking problem, but magnified by a factor of, well, a lot. You can park a couple at domestic gates, but it is way too big to make them more than a domestic 'oddity', for those occasional days when its load outweighs the negatives of its size.

 

[oz_mark]

Which 2 767's are being stored?

It may turn out to be a blessing in disguise if 2 of the older 767's are put away.

VH-OGR has gone down to Avalon, so that is likely one of them.

A third 737 (TJW) has also gone down.

As for the 737's, it was my understanding that the three that have gone to AVV were scheduled to leave the fleet this year anyway, as new -800's come on line.

 

[codash1099]

Given that there aren't any wide body replacements anywhere in the system, I'm not too sure how that can be any sort of blessing.

I don't know about that. The points update newsletter I received today referred to a 767-800.

 

[straitman]

I don't know about that. The points update newsletter I received today referred to a 767-800.

I think you are dreaming again :!:

 

[eastwest101]

What do people think about the capacity reductions to QF domestic (given that it is a response to industrial disputes), do people think that the capacity reductions will help or hinder QF?

I know the B734's and B767's are a bit tired and the subject of much debate regarding fleet selection and delays in other deliveries, but surely even with the fuel burn argument they couldn't cost QF that much to run? And they must have repaid their original cost of owership many times over by now....

 

[codash1099]

I think you are dreaming again :!:

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[serfty]

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During the six week Q Streaming trial, everyone onboard our dedicated B767-300 aircraft[SUP]+[/SUP] will be able to access inflight entertainment using the Apple iPads provided.
Towards the latter stages of the trial, you can put the new system to the test using your own Wi-Fi enabled device such as a laptop, smartphone or tablet.
You will enjoy greater choice and flexibility on this aircraft with access to over 150 hours of on-demand movies, television and radio programs.
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*Inflight entertainment is not available on QantasLink services.
^ Video content applies to seat back or fixed overhead entertainment screens only. In arm screens are required to be stowed for take-off and landing.

 

[TiredOldFlyer]

I'm helping to build a stronger QANTAS.

Booked 2 J Returns BNE to MEL for X-Mas Eve. Returning 27/12.

What odds, that, A We Don't Make It ?
B We loose our points ?




" No Status - Only Points "

 

[oz_mark]

I think you are dreaming again :!:

My email referred to the same model of aircraft as well

 

[Moopere]

What do people think about the capacity reductions to QF domestic (given that it is a response to industrial disputes), do people think that the capacity reductions will help or hinder QF?

It might actualy help, assuming that QF were not fully utilising available capacity previously. They won't be paying overtime rates right now, so thats a saving, presumably the planes left in service are closer to capacity than previously, so thats a saving. I don't know tha nature of the leasing arrangements of the out-of-service planes, presuming that they are even leased and not bought uotright.... there will be an opportunity cost to having plant that isn't generating income of course, but if those planes can be offloaded/sold/otherwise retired then overall, it might be a good thing.

Perhaps they will realise that they now require even less staff than previously thought, as well as no future overtime requirement.

I know the B734's and B767's are a bit tired and the subject of much debate regarding fleet selection and delays in other deliveries, but surely even with the fuel burn argument they couldn't cost QF that much to run? And they must have repaid their original cost of owership many times over by now....

I would have thought so. This is what makes me wonder why they don't simply stump up the, probably significant, cost of a paint and interior refurbish, essentially making them appear as new to the flying public, and run them another 10 years. My gripe with the 767 is _only_ about their worn out interiors and old fashioned ameneties.