Bushfires 2019/2020!

[get me outta here]

There seems to have been some confusion that’s for sure. That interview on tv that the CEO (I forget his exact role ), should have seen their website altered and updated immediately to reflect what he said.

From the Red Cross Website.
I think this has been the issue. Donations thought to have been made solely for the Bushfires have been directed to the Disaster RelIef and Recovery Fund which must administer their donations. And this from their website about this fund

Disaster Response and Recovery

Your donation means Red Cross can be there to help people during disasters and other emergencies in Australia. It enables us to prepare people, provide comfort and care during a disaster or emergency, and support recovery.

www.redcross.org.au

“As bushfires affect communities across Australia on an unprecedented scale, Red Cross is right there, providing practical, local support where it's needed to tens of thousands of people during and after the emergencies.

It’s all thanks to people like you.

Learn more about what Red Cross is doing and how your donations are helping in our regular updates.

Your donation helps Red Cross give people the support they need in disasters, whenever and wherever they happen. We have decades of experience in caring for people affected by earthquakes, cyclones, floods, storms, fire, drought and other emergencies.

This includes:

• recovery programs and emergency assistance in communities affected by disasters like bushfires, heat, floods cyclones and other emergencies
• helping people and communities prepare for disasters and protect what matters most
• training, equipment, logistics and coordination of our volunteers”

So in effect to a general fund for disasters.

That realisation meant a ‘clarification’ of this press statement made by Red Cross

“It is also prudent to plan for the inevitable disasters to come, so our Disaster Relief and Recover Fund remains in place to scale up and respond when the cyclones and floods hit.”

So the clarification being - The charity chief said Red Cross was committed to ensuring the “balance of funds” would be used exclusively to support bushfire affected communities.”

 

[rogerkambah]

After a lovely day I can now smell smoke.

 

[get me outta here]

Canberra is the city. Otherwise it is called the federal government. Sadly, a lot of people elsewhere think CBR is synonymous with the federal government. That’s why I said previously other people could stop blaming locals for their dingbat pollies’ shenanigans.

The message of belief of insufficient burning is loud and clear and probably has been hammered to the point of tedium.
Anybody still reading this thread and the other threads getting the same thing over again is probably quite aware of who is responsible for what.

No, it was to observe that, as far as bushfires and their control and mitigation are concerned, also management of National Parks, t is the state and territory governments who are responsible. The federal government can mobilise additional resources if needs be. You referred to 'Canberra', which I didn't understand, perhaps it was just saying ... Edit ... oh, never mind ...

 

[amaroo]

The message of belief of insufficient burning is loud and clear and probably has been hammered to the point of tedium.
Anybody still reading this thread and the other threads getting the same thing over again is probably quite aware of who is responsible for what.

Someone needs to tell the 43.7% that don’t understand.

 

[Moody]

Someone needs tell the 43.7% that don’t understand.

Somewhat irrelevant when the whole world understands that Australia's answer to climate change is to pre-burn more bush next year.

You couldn't make this stuff up ......

 

[Cossie]

After a lovely day I can now smell smoke.

Same here in lower Fadden, fire in Calwell I believe.

 

[straitman]

Somewhat irrelevant when the whole world understands that Australia's answer to climate change is to pre-burn more bush next year.

You couldn't make this stuff up ......

... and you have a better answer?

 

[Moody]

... and you have a better answer?

On climate change policy? That's the good news - when you're dead motherless last the only way is up.

On bushfire mitigation strategy? That's the bad news - we have to build fireproof walls around all cities, allow anyone outside to clearfell around their homes, and just let it all burn. That'll teach mother nature!

 

[Himeno]

After a lovely day I can now smell smoke.

Same here in lower Fadden, fire in Calwell I believe.

No fires reported in Canberra, other then the under control bush fire near the airport.

Smoke is from fires in NSW. Visible smoke in the ACT | ACT Emergency Services Agency

 

[Flying mermaid]

After a lovely day I can now smell smoke.

Agreed - I had the house opened up all day but definitely got a bit smoky late evening. I used my new gadget and the PM2.5 reading was much higher than it had been all day. We are heading into a very hot week both here and on the coast so let’s hope we don’t get high winds as well.

 

[amaroo]

... and you have a better answer?

Of course! Why would you bother to learn from 60,000 odd years of experience .... far better to make your own stuff up .....

 

[Moody]

Of course! Why would you bother to learn from 60,000 odd years of experience .... far better to make your own stuff up .....

Unfortunately all that experience was in a different environment. In case you missed that memo, 2019 was the hottest AND driest year on record. So what can you do when experience doesn't exist? You use modelling and trending by the experts in the field. Like the current and past leaders of the firefighting agencies.

What am I saying ...... of course you don't. Ha ha.

 

[Deleted member]

a skerrick of intelligence and a healthy dose of humanity

Viewed historically , one might constructively argue that the aforementioned concepts are not mutually complimemtary

Or mutually exclusive

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Unfortunately all that experience was in a different environment. In case you missed that memo, 2019 was the hottest AND driest year on record. So what can you do when experience doesn't exist? You use modelling and trending by the experts in the field. Like the current and past leaders of the firefighting agencies.

What am I saying ...... of course you don't. Ha ha.

You / we ”Could” have spent the previous decade in prevention mode vs scrambling for a cure.

 

[OATEK]

Or mutually exclusive

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You / we ”Could” have spent the previous decade in prevention mode vs scrambling for a cure.

I am waiting to hear what "Climate" action Australia could have taken 10 years ago that would have prevented these fires, given events elsewhere in the world (eg China, India). Instead of standing King Canute -like on a beach hoping for a climate miracle from our computer models, we could have taken some concrete prevention action to reduce the danger on the ground instead of the atmosphere. We didn't.

 

[Pushka]

Records are only valid for as long as they have been kept and even then the benchmarks keep shifting.

 

[RooFlyer]

Records are only valid for as long as they have been kept and even then the benchmarks keep shifting.

And the ‘hottest year ever on record’ is a model single number - not measured - for temperature, calculated to the 1/100th of a degree, to represent the entire world ( or country) throughout a year. Ive always Thought that was a bizarre concept. How long have they been able to do this calculation ( had an adequate spread and quality of data) - the period of ‘record’? Not long. It’s pretty meaningless, except to scare people.

No matter. As far as bushfires are concerned, fires 50-100 years were worse than the current ones by several metrics, and they didn’t do the ‘hottest year’ thing. Prolonged droughts, adverse weather and lack of preparedness, much like the current situation.

 

[get me outta here]

I wish we could hear more on how various areas that could be covered by 60,000 years of history of land management.
I don’t want to hear from more ‘burning experts’ with fewer than 58,800 years experience.

 

[Pushka]

I wish we could hear more on how various areas that could be covered by 60,000 years of history of land management.
I don’t want to hear from more ‘burning experts’ with fewer than 58,800 years experience.

They are certainly listening to the Indigenous population in SA. The trouble is that European settlement has meant a drastic change to the vegetation when they tried to create a Little Europe down under.

 

[Moody]

Records are only valid for as long as they have been kept and even then the benchmarks keep shifting.

I don't think it is fair to blame the first Australians for not keeping adequate records, and by "benchmarks keep shifting" I assume you really meant to say that temperatures keep going up. That's called climate change and it's not generally viewed as being a positive thing.

 

[Pushka]

I don't think it is fair to blame the first Australians for not keeping adequate records, and by "benchmarks keep shifting" I assume you really meant to say that temperatures keep going up. That's called climate change and it's not generally viewed as being a positive thing.

Ah, way to mush up my post there hey? Carry on if you need to.

Let me give you an example of changing the bench mark and with no reference to climate change. Anecdotal If you like.
In SA the weather bureau has shifted its base for recording of Adelaides temperature three times. First, from a station located on the edge of the city and on the parklands. Where the watering system used to get turned on in late afternoon in summer. Surprisingly the temperature used to drop a little late afternoon. Shift forward a few years and the recording station was put smack dab in the middle of the built up area of Adelaide. Not surprisingly our temperature increased during the day and did not drop during the afternoon. Ooh, Adelaide is getting hotter. By the magic amount of 2-3 degrees. And warmer in winter. Shift forward a few more years and we are back in the Parklands. And so now we have two temperature recordings for Adelaide, urban city and parklands. Located maybe 3 kilometres apart. And which one is usually 2-3 degrees warmer?

If we are to believe the Science and I have always agreed that the climate has changed, so dont mush that into calling me a denier, then I’d like the science to get it right. And I am in no way convinced that we have.