Bushfires 2019/2020!

[amaroo]

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ABC deleting facebook posts on how protesters stop prescribed burns “more worried about climate change” than wildfires « JoNova

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How juvenile is that...

 

[drron]

Also note that I gained some respect for Dan Andrews.He was very supportive of Scomo today.
Also Sky news has been reporting a virtually identical coverage as the ABC through the WIN regional network.Channel 84 here on the Coast,Ch 83 in Tassie.

Pray tell Cossie who is the parrot?

 

[amaroo]

Speaking of the GST, I was meaning to raise a thread or a post about how little it ends up being.

For my grocery store shopping, the total GST I’ve noticed is rarely more than 1%, often about 0.5%. And I’m definitely buying more than rabbit food!

Wonder when the Commonwealth, States and Territories will all agree. That sounds more difficult than actually getting the GST in place.

 

[amaroo]

Fuel reduction burns are cooler, move slowly and burn in mosaics. That provides time and corridors for wildlife movement and escape.

Edit: They also do not get into the crowns of the trees - that's when things get completely out of control.

NOTHING escapes the type of wildfires occurring now.

Sounds like perfect commonsense.... maybe the Commonwealth needs to take over when a State or Territory is negligent.

As posted upthread, the threat of a successful class action may just do the trick and get the States & T to do their job!

 

[amaroo]

Stupid isn't it.

Another very common thing in this BF business.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Very sad news from South Australia

'Unstoppable' bushfire engulfs large areas of Kangaroo Island

Fire crews in South Australia have spent the night battling an emergency bushfire on Kangaroo Island, which is threatening to engulf most of Australia's third-largest island.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Deleted member]

As a supplement, I'll draw particular attention to this recent article by Roger Underwood: The Eastern States Bushfires 2019 – Bushfire Front

Says it all, in my view...

Yes it does, but the climate warriors won’t agree.

 

[Deleted member]

OF course burning vast tranches of the bush under control is all about trying to make the whole countryside safer for ( relatively sparse) human habitation.

No humans = no need for burning,

Is anyone suggesting we should hazard burn the whole country ?

Why not limit small bush populations to more manageable population centres and control burn there.

Seems a fair question to me

I’m no expert, but I understand that vast areas of the landscape have been subject to burn off for thousands of years via Aboriginal “torch “ farming.

 

[cove]

These huge bushfires have uncovered two groups of folks who should have known better. First it needs to be jail time for anyone lighting fires. Next there are folks who have not insured their home and contents and lack the funds to self insure.
It has become obvious that many fires can only be stopped by rain , a river or the ocean with a chance of a wind shift turning a fire back to an already burnt zone.
Blaming a Prime Minister or any other Minister is quite pointless as fire controls are handled by State authorities and it is clear that fuel reduction burns were not carried out to assist reducing the risk of a catastrophic fire.
Going forward building homes in heavy forest areas will have much higher insurance bills.
Has anyone figured who we can donate funds to where the help gets there immediately rather than months too late?

 

[Deleted member]

We do have a humour thread.

The only infrastructure right wing governments build is for themselves such as private schools etc. If they increased GST they would give themselves a personal income tax cut.

Which private schools would you be referring to?

 

[Denali]

Very sad news from South Australia

'Unstoppable' bushfire engulfs large areas of Kangaroo Island

Fire crews in South Australia have spent the night battling an emergency bushfire on Kangaroo Island, which is threatening to engulf most of Australia's third-largest island.

www.abc.net.au

We were at KI about 2yrs ago for Christmas and at the time I was stunned that there were "Last Resort" fields and signage for evacs. Horrifying that people had to get to these fields in some way and then just wait.

 

[RooFlyer]

Just as an aside, I haven't heard the parrot sprouting much about the current situation, is he on holidays?

I’m not sure who ‘parrot’ is but I do know name calling without the means of identification won’t help whatever point you are making.

 

[Pushka]

Very sad news from South Australia

'Unstoppable' bushfire engulfs large areas of Kangaroo Island

Fire crews in South Australia have spent the night battling an emergency bushfire on Kangaroo Island, which is threatening to engulf most of Australia's third-largest island.

www.abc.net.au

We went to sleep but apparently it was raging last night and the Southern Lodge that many here have been to, who can afford it, has been badly damaged. They did have a fire bunker but even that had to be evacuated. KI is solid bushfire territory though!

 

[Pushka]

I’m no expert, but I understand that vast areas of the landscape have been subject to burn off for thousands of years via Aboriginal “torch “ farming.

When White settlers came to SA the foothills were grasslands and not trees. In their glorious wisdom The europeans planted Pine trees in an effort to recreate Europe and for timber plus planted those lovely Eucalypts that only grew in river beds. Then lived there. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[blackcat20]

My mum headed down to Bairnsdale two days ago... nothing I said could convince her otherwise. Apparently none of the neighbours are concerned so it's 'fine' as far as she's concerned. Head. Wall.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I hope so too but summer does not end until the last day of February. No significant rainfall in that period

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ABC deleting facebook posts on how protesters stop prescribed burns “more worried about climate change” than wildfires « JoNova

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I am no fan of the ABC at the best of times but it took me 5 minutes on Facebook to realize that this story is a beat up.
Yes the September post was deleted after it was revived and shared widely but the follow up October post is still there, unedited.
I think it would have been wrong of the ABC to have left the September post there with the names and faces of the misguided protestors given that people have lost their homes and lives. It would leave those people pictured open to abuse and attacks.

 

[Pushka]

I think it’s about understanding the consequences of actions that are very one dimensional. Which sadly is what has happened when the burn off was stopped through the actions of this group. No one wants to intentionally destroy habitat - it’s not like it’s some kind wacky pleasure activity in doing a preventive burn off, but by stopping that from happening has led to awful destruction and lives lost, let alone the loss of significantly more wildlife than the slow burn off would have been.

I hope that some on that picture are at least reflecting on that now.

 

[VPS]

I've got friends in Mallacoota where they go every summer. Three small kids but they decided not to get the boat out

Support for firefighter families - NSW Rural Fire Service

www.rfs.nsw.gov.au

I donated directly to the families of the three firefighters killed.

 

[Flying mermaid]

We’ve had a 20 year old lighting fires in Canberra overnight - near Government House. Fortunately quickly put out. ACT has brought its firefighters and volunteers back home just in case things get out of control today.

 

[drron]

A little more on why hazard reduction burns are harder to do now and not related to Climate Change.article probably behind a pay wall so a quote.
"It's really simple," says Brian Williams, captain of the Kurrajong Heights bushfire brigade, a veteran of 44 years of firefighting, in one of the most extreme fire risk areas of Australia, on a ridge surrounded by 0.75 million hectares of overgrown national park between the Blue Mountains and Wollemi.

"Fires run on fuel. Limited fuel means limited fire."

Green tape and heavy-handed bureaucracy has made his job harder today than in 28 years as captain. Rather than needing six people to perform a controlled burn in the cooler months, now 40 are involved, to oversee biodiversity and so on.

Williams managed to conduct just two of the five hazard reduction burns he planned before this fire season."

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The article is from january 2013 after the Dunalley fire in Tasmania.Another quote about that fire.
"Now is not the time for that conversation," says the Tasmanian Minister for Emergency Management, David O'Byrne, avoiding questions about why adequate hazard reduction burns were not done in cooler months to remove fuel from the path of inevitable summer fires.

It's just too early, claims Premier Lara Giddings, presiding over Tasmania's ALP-Greens coalition.

But the residents of Dunalley, whose town was overrun, and the farmers whose properties and livestock have been wiped out, want that conversation right now."