Bushfires 2019/2020!

[Pushka]

At least there is some true feeling there from people I respect.

I think it’s a time for facts not feeling though. Feelings are when it gets nasty.

 

[Quickstatus]

Snowy hydro down - 2 major transmission substations out of action. AEMO intervening. Spot prices peaking.

AEMO advising NSW to reduce power consumption

edit: the unmatched period has passed. Spot prices back down and the VIC-NSW interconnector back online allowing power to come across from VIC

 

[love_the_life]

I think it’s a time for facts not feeling though. Feelings are when it gets nasty.

I certainly read Twitter with a grain of salt but IMO anger is well justified when based on fact.

 

[amaroo]

 

[Pushka]

I certainly read Twitter with a grain of salt but IMO anger is well justified when based on fact.

Agree but the trouble is it’s so hard to disentangle the fact from what the media decides is fact these days.

 

[drron]

Actually I quite like Twitter and get some great coverage of events from different perspectives.
Naturally I follow folks like JohnNYC but also a range of folk a little left of centre like Caitlin Johnson.Amongst the left wing thought bubbles she comes out with some common sense summaries.
And then things such as @Iranprotests.
Don't follow any politicians or parties nor any of the right wing columnists.
Means my twitter feed is hardly ever full of rubbish.

 

[Pushka]

Actually I quite like Twitter and get some great coverage of events from different perspectives.
Naturally I follow folks like JohnNYC but also a range of folk a little left of centre like Caitlin Johnson.Amongst the left wing thought bubbles she comes out with some common sense summaries.
And then things such as @Iranprotests.
Don't follow any politicians or parties nor any of the right wing columnists.
Means my twitter feed is hardly ever full of rubbish.

The only time we might use twitter feed is if there is ’something’ happening in the local area or I have something that needs to get fixed and the normal channels aren’t working.

 

[drron]

For the first time ever I actually liked Nick Kyrgios tonight.Donating $200 per ace he serves so he got 20 in the match today.His comments afterwards showed a side I didn't think he had.Said he wasn't thinking of himself but what he could do to help.
Credit where credit is due.

 

[VPS]

The only time we might use twitter feed is if there is ’something’ happening in the local area or I have something that needs to get fixed and the normal channels aren’t working.

I follow Mr South Australia Keith Conlon - he always has lots of interesting stuff

 

[amaroo]

Something the rest of Australia can look forward to...


The threat of natural disaster is making insurance unaffordable for north Queenslanders,

Greater Whitsunday Alliance chairman John Glanville said premium increases of up-to 500 per cent were making doing business unaffordable

“There’s certainly very much a concern that it’s (crisis) already here … but will turn into a crisis if we have another major event in a reasonably populated area,” he said.

“What’s happening in northern Australia generally is the insurers are either a) saying we don’t insure up there or b) they are pricing themselves out of the market.”

No Cookies | The Courier Mail

No Cookies

www.couriermail.com.au

 

[juddles]

Although somewhat tired, at this late hour feel the need to express my own thoughts regarding this seasons bush fires - and feel happy for anyone to throw rocks at me if they disagree...

Yes, the current bush fire season is creating much pain and suffering. I feel for those that have lost loved ones, homes, livestock, etc. Their reality is so much more painful than the one that we people who are far away feel, even though we do sympathize.

My understanding is that Australia, as a continent and landscape, has suffered bush fires for millennia. It is a harsh environment here. But this is not a new thing.
The new thing is that there is a new and rapidly growing population of people with fixed houses and farms etc living out there. Hence the numbers of dwellings, etc lost.

Australia as a continent is ancient. It has been flattened by the ages. But despite being such an old landscape, it has a very shallow topsoil in most arid or semi-arid parts. This is a thing that pre-dates any human intervention or influence. Much of Australia is essentially an environment that gets turned to ashes every few decades. Then washed away with the next decades floods....

Australian flora is amazingly designed to survive this - such as the any species whose seeds will only germinate if exposed to bush fire smoke. These sorts of Darwinian developments take countless thousands/millions of years, eons, to develop. Bush fires are not new! They are not something that have arrived with the concept of Climate Change.

I am not seeking to engage in any Climate debate here, but what I wish to highlight is the following concern:

It is only 10 years since even worse bush fires and loss of life, etc, but those ten years still make it out of the memory span of the current wave of idealistic youths. And also out of the memory span of political parties and many adults. My fear is that in the recovery from this fire season, the logical and practical ways to combat future bush fires will just get lost in that overwhelming idealism of Climate Change.

It does not matter if you are a believer or a denier, or anything else. The bush fire program must be a separate thing. Because, even if you believe that Global Warming or Climate Change causes these fires, you must also understand that just as it has required a huge human production of CO2 to allegedly cause any global warming, it would take as much reduction over as many years to change anything. Which with a human population that continues to explode, is not going to happen. So if you are a believer, you are going to have to convince China, etc to stop their advancement and efforts to reduce poverty, just so Australia does not lose a few houses over the next few decades due to our love to reside in the countryside.

My fear is that instead of doing real things, like looking at forest management, at house design, at controlled burns, etc, this will just be another glee-fully used outrage by activists.

That is my beef with the whole Climate Change movement. It involves much passion and ranting, but what real aims does it have??

Another, very different way to consider the whole thing, is that if we could stop bush fires altogether, have we "won"? Doing so would ensure the extinction of much of our native flora, and with them our unique fauna....

 

[get me outta here]

Well, the Aust Defence Assocn is not happy at Scotty from Marketing’s marketing video;
“ The Australian Defence Association, a respected independent, community-based group, was also critical, saying: "Party-political advertising milking ADF support to civil agencies fighting bushfires is a clear breach of the (reciprocal) non-partisanship convention applying to both the ADF & Ministers/MPs."

Quite a few other comments from them on Twitter too, not supportive.

I am not getting involved in the discussion about the rights and wrongs of climate change and hazard reductions but on a different note, which numpty decided to turn ScoMo's announcements into an ad? It looks shallow, political. and vacuous. It is being. posted on his own twitter account, Scott Morrison (@ScottMorrisonMP) | Twitter

 

[Deleted member]

But then there are these idiots.
"Two climate activists charged with trespassing at Scott Morrison's family home have flagrantly boasted of their alleged crimes on social media.

Dean Fletcher, 33, and 18-year-old Caitlin Cooper were arrested at the Prime Minister's house in south Sydney's Sutherland Shire on Friday morning.

Just hours after they were released on bail, the activists posted a video on YouTube bragging about entering the grounds of Mr Morrison's $920,000 house in a protest against his handling of the bushfire crisis.

Fletcher, 33, from Woolongong, admitted he planned to 's*** in his pool' and proudly claimed he had 'no remorse'."

Climate activists planned to 's*** in Scott Morrison's pool'

Two climate activists charged with trespassing at Scott Morrison's family home have flagrantly boasted of their alleged crimes on social media.

www.dailymail.co.uk

One wonders why the price of the house is significant?

 

[Deleted member]

Although somewhat tired, at this late hour feel the need to express my own thoughts regarding this seasons bush fires - and feel happy for anyone to throw rocks at me if they disagree...

Yes, the current bush fire season is creating much pain and suffering. I feel for those that have lost loved ones, homes, livestock, etc. Their reality is so much more painful than the one that we people who are far away feel, even though we do sympathize.

My understanding is that Australia, as a continent and landscape, has suffered bush fires for millennia. It is a harsh environment here. But this is not a new thing.
The new thing is that there is a new and rapidly growing population of people with fixed houses and farms etc living out there. Hence the numbers of dwellings, etc lost.

Australia as a continent is ancient. It has been flattened by the ages. But despite being such an old landscape, it has a very shallow topsoil in most arid or semi-arid parts. This is a thing that pre-dates any human intervention or influence. Much of Australia is essentially an environment that gets turned to ashes every few decades. Then washed away with the next decades floods....

Australian flora is amazingly designed to survive this - such as the any species whose seeds will only germinate if exposed to bush fire smoke. These sorts of Darwinian developments take countless thousands/millions of years, eons, to develop. Bush fires are not new! They are not something that have arrived with the concept of Climate Change.

I am not seeking to engage in any Climate debate here, but what I wish to highlight is the following concern:

It is only 10 years since even worse bush fires and loss of life, etc, but those ten years still make it out of the memory span of the current wave of idealistic youths. And also out of the memory span of political parties and many adults. My fear is that in the recovery from this fire season, the logical and practical ways to combat future bush fires will just get lost in that overwhelming idealism of Climate Change.

It does not matter if you are a believer or a denier, or anything else. The bush fire program must be a separate thing. Because, even if you believe that Global Warming or Climate Change causes these fires, you must also understand that just as it has required a huge human production of CO2 to allegedly cause any global warming, it would take as much reduction over as many years to change anything. Which with a human population that continues to explode, is not going to happen. So if you are a believer, you are going to have to convince China, etc to stop their advancement and efforts to reduce poverty, just so Australia does not lose a few houses over the next few decades due to our love to reside in the countryside.

My fear is that instead of doing real things, like looking at forest management, at house design, at controlled burns, etc, this will just be another glee-fully used outrage by activists.

That is my beef with the whole Climate Change movement. It involves much passion and ranting, but what real aims does it have??

Another, very different way to consider the whole thing, is that if we could stop bush fires altogether, have we "won"? Doing so would ensure the extinction of much of our native flora, and with them our unique fauna....

It wasn’t all that long ago the climate warriors were predicting another ice age .

 

[Deleted member]

I certainly read Twitter with a grain of salt but IMO anger is well justified when based on fact.

That is predicated on the “facts” being true , not made up.
Someone once said : “the first casualty of war is truth”. Whilst this isn’t a war in the conventional sense, I suspect the quote still holds.

 

[Quickstatus]

Geez it was hot yesterday.

 

[get me outta here]

I wonder why it is such a low price. Houses in SYD near the beach are not usually that cheap. EDIT, I see now that was the purchase price around 10 years ago. Idiots did not know that he had decamped to a slightly nicer abode.

But, quoting a source as dubious as the Daily Mail UK is a bit fraught anyway. But, useful if it supports your view.

One wonders why the price of the house is significant?

 

[OATEK]

I wonder why it is such a low price. Houses in SYD near the beach are not usually that cheap. EDIT, I see now that was the purchase price around 10 years ago. Idiots did not know that he had decamped to a slightly nicer abode.

But, quoting a source as dubious as the Daily Mail UK is a bit fraught anyway. But, useful if it supports your view.

Do you think there is a reason why it was not reported locally? Fake story, or a decision by local media to not publish (eg security, no aid or comfort etc)?

 

[Flying mermaid]

Well, the Aust Defence Assocn is not happy at Scotty from Marketing’s marketing video;
“ The Australian Defence Association, a respected independent, community-based group, was also critical, saying: "Party-political advertising milking ADF support to civil agencies fighting bushfires is a clear breach of the (reciprocal) non-partisanship convention applying to both the ADF & Ministers/MPs."

Quite a few other comments from them on Twitter too, not supportive.

Having watched it I reckon ScoMo should sack whoever was responsible - send them back to their natural milieu of selling dodgy insurance and used cars.

he is providing strong leadership (now) and doing what needs to be done - it doesn’t need to be “sold”.

 

[get me outta here]

Who knows. But it is potentially a security issue. But then a few dodgy outlets don’t care about anything true or sensible, that’s why they are not useful as sources of info, such as the Daily Mail.
Elsewhere, neighbours have said that they have never felt so secure as when living in a street with somebody like a PM or a President owns a house.

Do you think there is a reason why it was not reported locally? Fake story, or a decision by local media to not publish (eg security, no aid or comfort etc)?